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Should The Us Go To War With Iraq?


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#271 DJS

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Posted 18 February 2003 - 03:32 AM

I was an athiest when I enlisted.  I never thought about what you are asking while I served.

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Allow me to ellaborate. A Christian (or any other monotheistic belief system) believes that there is "afterlife". Hence, death isn't such a bad thing because its not the end. When one decides to serve their country they are risking their life. An atheist believes that one's time is now, so risking one's life is like risking the rest of one's entire existence. Do you understand what I'm saying?

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Posted 18 February 2003 - 03:37 AM

An atheist believes that one's time is now, so risking one's life is like risking the rest of one's entire existence. Do you understand what I'm saying?


Kissinger,

Yes, I understand what you are saying. I just never thought about it since I felt that paying the price for freedom goes along with the territory.

Prior to my generation was the WWII generation which paid a huge price for freedom. I remember my uncles (who were Christian) staying over the house while on leave. They acted like action didn't bother them much until they went to sleep and had those terrible, sweaty nightmears.

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My uncle Jack was involved in the Iowa Jima landing. He lost his closest friend there.

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Posted 18 February 2003 - 04:14 AM

Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal has said that any unilateral military action by the US would appear as an "act of aggression".

"Independent action in this, we don't believe is good for the United States," he told the BBC's world affairs editor John Simpson at a meeting of the Arab League foreign ministers in Cairo.

"It would encourage people to think... that what they're doing is a war of aggression rather than a war for the implementation of the United Nations resolutions."

But if the attack came through the United Nations Security Council, it would not be considered an aggression, he said.


Of course Prince Saud al-Faisal would only support action backed by the UN. Doesn't anyone understand that this is all politics. Doesn't anyone understand that foreign leaders play politics with the US and its public. The Prince says that only UN endorsed action would be acceptable because he knows that that will never happen. He knows that the general assembly of the UN is in the pocket of the Arab League and the Security Coucil is conflicted with divergent national self interests. The current international arena makes it so easy for Faisal to take a fall back position. Don't sleep too easy Prince, soon there will be no fall back positions.

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Posted 20 February 2003 - 02:22 AM

The End of Appeasement
Bush's opportunity to redeem America's past failures in the Middle East.
by Max Boot
02/10/2003

FOLLOWING HANS BLIX'S devastating report and President Bush's compelling State of the Union address, Saddam Hussein looks more and more like a dead man walking. In all likelihood, Baghdad will be liberated by April. This may turn out to be one of those hinge moments in history--events like the storming of the Bastille or the fall of the Berlin Wall--after which everything is different. If the occupation goes well (admittedly a big if), it may mark the moment when the powerful antibiotic known as democracy was introduced into the diseased environment of the Middle East, and began to transform the region for the better. For the United States, this represents perhaps the last, best chance to do what it has singularly failed to do since World War II--to provide the Middle East with effective imperial oversight. It is not entirely America's fault, but our mismanagement and misconceptions have allowed a backward, once insignificant region to become arguably the main threat to the security of the United States and the entire West.

In centuries past, the wild and unruly passions of the Islamic world were kept within tight confines by firm, often ruthless imperial authority, mainly Ottoman, but, starting in the late 19th century, increasingly British and French. These distant masters did not always rule wisely or well, but they generally prevented the region from menacing the security of the outside world. When the pirates of the Barbary Coast (as Europeans called North Africa) could not be dealt with by the payment of ransom, the new American republic, and then the Europeans, took matters into their own hands. Ultimately, Algiers, Tripoli, Morocco, and Tunis were colonized, and thus ended their piratical threat. When a group of Egyptian army officers led by an early-day Nasser named Arabi Pasha tried to seize power in 1882, the British occupied the country, and wound up administering it from behind the scenes for decades to come. When a fanatical Islamic sect led by a self-proclaimed Mahdi (or messiah) took over the Sudan, and threatened to spread its extremist violence throughout the Islamic world, Gen. Horatio Herbert Kitchener snuffed out the movement in a hail of gunfire at the Battle of Omdurman in 1898. When a pro-Nazi regime took power in Baghdad in 1941, the British intervened to topple the offending dictator, Rashid Ali.

Strong medicine, that. And no longer considered acceptable in today's post-colonial world. As America slowly took over Britain's oversight role after 1945, Washington tried self-consciously to carve out a different style of leadership, one that was meant to distinguish the virtuous Americans from the grasping, greedy imperialists who had come before. America wanted to show that it sympathized with the Arabs, Persians, and Muslims, had no designs on their lands or oil wealth, and would not even choose sides in their struggle to eradicate the nascent state of Israel. Unfortunately America showed something else--that we were weak, and could be attacked, economically and physically and rhetorically, with impunity. That we were a paper tiger--or, to use Osama bin Laden's metaphor, a "weak horse." "When people see a strong horse and a weak horse," the leader of al Qaeda has said, "by nature they will like the strong horse." It is no wonder that America today has so few real friends in the region. Why would anyone ride alongside a weak horse?

This may seem an odd statement to make, since America is often accused of being a bully, in the Mideast as elsewhere. Yet the record shows precious little bullying--indeed not enough. Note that the last time the United States played a pivotal role in a Mideast change of government (if one overlooks Bill Clinton's campaign against Benjamin Netanyahu in Israel's 1999 election) was in 1953, when the CIA, along with Britain's MI6, helped to depose Iranian prime minister Mohammed Mossadegh. Considering how many violently anti-American regimes have existed in the Middle East since World War II, America's failure to overthrow more of them is a testament to our passivity and forbearance.

This is not to suggest that the U.S. record in the Mideast during the past 50 years has been exclusively weak and pusillanimous. There have been occasional flashes of principle and infrequent displays of strength. Some of the more prominent include: Truman's ultimatum that forced the Soviets to evacuate Iran in 1946 and his decision two years later to override all his foreign policy advisers by recognizing Israel; Eisenhower's dispatch of Marines to support the Lebanese government in 1958; Nixon and Kissinger's backing of Israel with emergency arms shipments during the 1973 Yom Kippur War; Reagan's bombing of Libya in 1986 and protection of Gulf shipping from Iranian attacks in 1987-88; and, most recently, George H.W. Bush's resounding victory in the Persian Gulf War of 1991. All these actions are very much to America's credit, and have done much to serve U.S. interests in the region.

Unfortunately America's record of failure is more glaring, starting with the Suez Crisis, continuing in the run-up to the Six Day War, the oil crisis of the 1970s, the Iranian revolution, subsequent terrorist attacks against the United States by radical Islamists, and the failure to depose Saddam Hussein. A broad generalization may stretch the truth but not break it: America was strong in resisting Soviet designs on the region but weak in the face of Arab nationalism and Islamic extremism. Indeed, the United States usually sought to make common cause with Arabs and Persians against the Soviet Union. This may have been a sound short-term strategy--it did contribute to the defeat of the Evil Empire--but its unintended long-term consequence has been to leave behind a poisonous legacy of anti-Americanism, despotism, and corruption that poses a stark challenge to the 21st-century world.


Nasser
THE PATTERN of American weakness was set early on, during the 1956 Suez Crisis, which serves as a kind of template for everything the United States has done wrong in the region for the past several decades. In the immediate run-up to the crisis, the United States tried unsuccessfully to court Gamal Abdel Nasser, who had emerged as the leader of the group of Egyptian army officers that overthrew King Farouk in 1952. President Eisenhower thought he could lure Nasser to the Western camp by offering him support, such as loans to build the Aswan Dam, which would supply most of his country's electricity. But Nasser spurned the West by taking a prominent role at the Bandung Conference of nonaligned nations and by extending diplomatic recognition to the People's Republic of China. His radio station, the Voice of the Arabs, blared out a daily stream of vituperation against the West and its friends in the region, while Nasser's agents tried to subvert these "lackeys of imperialism." Like most dictators, Nasser gave top priority to getting his hands on copious stockpiles of weapons. When Washington, not wanting to fuel a regional arms race, refused to provide them, he turned to the Soviet bloc.

In 1955 the Kremlin agreed, through its Czech puppets, to supply Nasser with an awesome array of weaponry including 200 jet airplanes and 100 tanks. This would have tilted the regional balance of power sharply against Israel, which possessed only 20 jet aircraft of its own. Prime Minister David Ben Gurion asked Washington to guarantee Israel's security and supply it with weapons to counter the growing Egyptian threat. Eisenhower and his secretary of state, John Foster Dulles, refused. Their policy was centered on the Alpha Project, one of countless American attempts to broker peace between Israel and its enemies. In their pursuit of this chimerical goal, Eisenhower and Dulles decided that Israel would get no security assistance from the United States until a full settlement had been reached with the Arabs.

Such a settlement is still elusive almost 50 years later, but in the meantime Israel faced a pressing danger. The Israel Defense Forces estimated that Czech weapons would begin flowing to Egypt by November 1955, and that it would take six to eight months for the Egyptians to assimilate the inflow. Chief of Staff Moshe Dayan calculated that Egypt would be ready to attack Israel by late spring 1956. Already the danger loomed; Nasser was sponsoring guerrilla raids into Israel, blockading the southern Israeli port of Eilat, and not allowing Israeli shipping access to the Suez Canal.

Since Washington would not help, Israel turned to states that would--first France and then Britain. They had their own beef with Nasser, who on July 26, 1956, nationalized the Suez Canal Company. The canal, which was owned (and had been built) by an Anglo-French consortium, was the transit point for two-thirds of Europe's oil supplies. Neither London nor Paris was willing to cede control of this vital waterway to a power-mad dictator who was increasingly allied with the Communist bloc. Since Washington was not interested in helping its closest allies, they got together with Israel, and in the secret Protocol of Sèvres, agreed on a joint operation to seize the canal and overthrow Nasser.

The plan began to unfold on October 29, 1956, when Israeli forces moved into the Sinai desert, effortlessly overrunning Egyptian positions. France and Britain issued an ultimatum calling on both sides to stop fighting and pull back 10 miles from the canal. Israel agreed, but Egypt didn't, and on October 31, Anglo-French forces began bombing Egyptian military positions. A few days later, on November 5, they occupied Port Said, which controlled the Mediterranean entrance to the canal, with little resistance. Nasser responded by scuttling old ships filled with cement to block the canal. His allies in Damascus sabotaged the oil pipeline linking Iraq to the Mediterranean, thus interrupting a major source of Europe's oil supplies. Saudi Arabia embargoed oil shipments to France and Britain, and acts of sabotage shut down Kuwait's supply system.

A looming oil shortage could have been averted with continued military action by Israel, France, and Britain to open the canal and overthrow Nasser. The inept Egyptian armed forces posed little obstacle. But the allies could not cope with the overwhelming pressure brought by President Eisenhower, who didn't want to "get the Arabs sore at all of us" and who was eager to paint the United States as opposed to imperialism, whether conducted by the Soviet Union in Hungary or by France and Britain in Egypt. There was little Washington could or would do to force the Soviet Union to disgorge Hungary, but America had plenty of leverage with its allies, and didn't hesitate to use it.

Ike began by pushing a resolution through the United Nations demanding the British, Israeli, and French troops withdraw immediately. When Britain balked, Eisenhower tightened the economic screws. The crisis was causing a run on sterling and a major depletion of Britain's scant oil reserves, which, if allowed to continue, would lead to an economic meltdown. The United States had contingency plans to provide loans and emergency oil supplies to Britain, but Eisenhower refused to activate them as long as British troops remained in Egypt. He wanted to force the British and French "to work out their own oil problem--to boil in their own oil, so to speak." Faced with unremitting pressure from their most powerful benefactor, Britain, France, and Israel had no choice but to withdraw.

British prime minister Anthony Eden complained in his memoirs, with considerable justice, "In recent years the United States has sometimes failed to put its weight behind its friends, in the hope of being popular with their foes." At first this cynical gambit--precisely what the United States often accuses its European allies of doing--seemed to pay dividends. U.N. ambassador Henry Cabot Lodge reported to Eisenhower that he was deluged with support from Third World countries--and not just from their diplomats. Even U.N. busboys, typists, and elevator operators, Lodge crowed, "have been offering their congratulations." But the outpourings of support quickly faded, to be replaced by the same sullen resentment, envy, and hatred that had once been directed against the British and the French.

The immediate impact of the Suez Crisis was to give a major impetus to Nasser in his grandiose plans to unite the entire Arab world under his tyrannical rule. He was seen as the first Arab in hundreds of years to have defeated the forces of Christendom. Britain, France, and America were perceived to be on the run. Pro-Western rulers were deemed to be puppets ripe for elimination.

In the spring of 1957, Nasserite army officers tried, and failed, to overthrow King Hussein of Jordan. Arab nationalists were more successful in Iraq, where the Hashemite royal family was murdered in a 1958 coup d'état. That same year Egypt and Syria combined to form the United Arab Republic, which received substantial military support from the USSR. Eisenhower sensed, too late, the Nasserite danger, and proclaimed the Eisenhower Doctrine to help friendly Middle Eastern regimes. In 1958, as part of this doctrine, he landed 15,000 Marines in Beirut to stabilize the Christian government against a Muslim uprising. But while this may have helped keep Lebanon out of Nasserite hands, it did not discourage Nasser from further adventurism. In 1962 he dispatched 50,000 troops to Yemen, where they became embroiled in a civil war against the Saudi-backed monarchy.

A few years later Nasser turned his attention back to the "Zionist entity." Following the 1956 war, the United States had forced Israel to disgorge its territorial gains in the Sinai. To assuage Israel's security concerns, a U.N. peacekeeping force was inserted into the area. On May 16, 1967, Nasser asked the U.N. to remove its troops, and Secretary General U Thant cravenly complied. Nothing now stood in the way of Egyptian troops, who massed near Israel's border. Five days later, Nasser announced that he was closing the Straits of Tiran, thus keeping Israeli shipping out of the Gulf of Aqaba, its only outlet to the Red Sea. This was a blatant violation of international law. But although President Johnson declared Nasser's action illegal, he did not order the U.S. Navy to run the blockade and preserve the freedom of the seas--as Eisenhower had pledged ten years before that America would do if the straits were ever closed. Johnson counseled Levi Eshkol not to take matters into his own hands, either, but the Israeli prime minister decided he had no choice. On June5, Israel launched a series of lightning strikes against its neighbors that delivered a resounding victory in just six days. This was the second straight Arab-Israeli war that the United States had failed to prevent by not offering firm support to Israel beforehand. By jollying Nasser along, Washington had only encouraged his far-flung designs.

The United States likewise did little to forestall Egypt's next attempt to wipe Israel off the map, which occurred during the Yom Kippur holiday in 1973. But at least the Nixon administration, to its great credit, rushed emergency deliveries of arms to Israel when it appeared that the Jewish state stood on the brink of annihilation. Nixon and his secretary of state, Henry Kissinger, hoped to maintain a public stance of neutrality by hiding these arms shipments from the Arab states. But the ruse fell apart when foul weather delayed some giant C-5A transport planes laden with U.S. military supplies. They were supposed to land in Israel under cover of darkness; instead they descended in the middle of the day on October 14, their insignia clear for all to see. Before long America was embroiled in its next Middle East crisis--this one centered on the oil-producing states of the Persian Gulf.

Just as the United States had done a poor job of assuming Britain's imperial role in Egypt, so now it did an equally poor job in the Gulf.


The Sheikhs
PRIME MINISTER HAROLD WILSON announced in 1968 that Britain was withdrawing from its military commitments "east of Suez." The Pax Britannica was defunct, the Pax Americana did not yet exist. The small Gulf states--Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, and what would become the United Arab Emirates--were on their own. Deprived, against their will, of British protection, the sheikhs had to make common cause with their large, dangerous neighbors. It is perhaps no coincidence that within two years of the final British pullout in 1971, these Gulf states were presenting a major challenge to the West. The British pullout had left a power vacuum that the United States, embroiled in Vietnam and, before long, Watergate, was unable to fill. Instead President Nixon outsourced the protection of the Gulf to America's great friends, the shah of Iran and the king of Saudi Arabia, who became two of the world's biggest buyers of U.S. arms. Nixon saw them as "Twin Pillars" of stability in the region, but they were also twin pillars of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries.

OPEC, formed in 1960, had little success in controlling oil prices, because non-OPEC oil reserves, especially in the United States, had produced a lot of excess capacity. But by the early 1970s, fast economic growth in Japan, Western Europe, and the United States had strained oil stocks. Now there was little give in the market, leaving the oil-producing states maximum leverage to raise prices.

The OPEC countries were ready to seize the moment, having already nationalized their oil industries. Oil fields across the world had been developed at great risk and expense by Western oil companies. At the stroke of a pen, various dictators in effect stole these assets--and heard nary a peep of protest from Washington. The trend had begun in Mexico in the 1930s and spread to the Middle East in 1951, when Prime Minister Mossadegh crafted, and the shah signed, a law nationalizing Iran's oil industry. All British oil company employees were summarily booted out of the country.

This decision, which occurred amid turmoil and violence (a previous, anti-nationalization prime minister had been assassinated by Islamic terrorists), caused great consternation in London, since a British company (Anglo-Iranian, forerunner of British Petroleum) held the Iranian oil concession. But Washington nixed Prime Minister Clement Atlee's plans for military intervention to take back Anglo-Iranian's refineries. The United States got involved in toppling Mossadegh by covert means only when efforts to work out a diplomatic solution had gotten nowhere, and it appeared that "Mossy's" chaotic rule might provide an opening for Tudeh, as the Iranian Communist party was known. The combined CIA-MI6 operation (code-named Ajax, and run by Kermit Roosevelt) wouldn't have worked had it not been for declining popular support for Mossadegh and a resurgence of backing for the shah, who, under Iran's constitution, was well within his rights to sack his prime minister.

But the return of Muhammad Reza Shah Pahlavi to real power did not result in the privatization of the Iranian oil industry. The shah did sign a contract with a multinational consortium of oil companies (including Anglo-Iranian) to manage Iran's production, but his government retained ownership. As Daniel Yergin recounts in his invaluable history "The Prize," this helped establish the principle that oil assets would not be privately held, a principle that other states enthusiastically applied in the years ahead. By the mid-1970s, Algeria, Libya, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Venezuela had nationalized their oil industries, usually offering the previous owners a pittance in compensation. This was not just a financial loss for the West; it turned into a major strategic problem, for it created the "oil weapon" that OPEC wielded with great gusto.

In 1973 the Arab members of OPEC announced an embargo on oil shipments to the United States and the Netherlands to punish America for its support of Israel. This produced an immediate shock in America, with lines snaking around the block at many gas stations--when gas was available at all. Two ironies made this especially humiliating: The Gulf states were cutting off oil shipments to the U.S. Navy, which protected them; and the embargo had to be carried out by American companies, which still ran many oil fields under contract to the exporting states. Painful as it was, the selective embargo did not work very well. Oil is a fungible commodity, and America and the Netherlands were able to buy most of what they needed from other sources. Realizing that the embargo was failing, OPEC abandoned it in 1974.

But the oil cartel, led by the shah, was more successful in its attempts to ratchet up prices by ratcheting down production: Prices spiked from $3 a barrel in 1970 to a whopping $30 a barrel in 1980. As oil prices went up, the U.S. economy went down, afflicted by a horrible combination of stagnation and inflation that came to be known as "stagflation." These economic woes were exacerbated by the ham-handed U.S. government response, which under Presidents Nixon, Ford, and Carter primarily consisted of government-imposed rationing, price controls, and a "windfall profits" tax that interfered with the functioning of the market. But there was no question that the primary culprits were to be found around a meeting table in Vienna. OPEC held the Western economy hostage.

Rather pitifully, Washington pleaded with its friends in the region to exert their influence to bring down prices, but the Twin Pillars, the Saudi king and the shah, usually turned a deaf ear to American entreaties. "There are some people who thought--and perhaps some who still think--that I am a toy in the Americans' hands," the shah said in 1975. "Why would I accept to be a toy? There are reasons for our power which will make us stronger, so why would we be content to be someone else's catspaw?" Odd talk coming from a man whose survival--like that of the Saudi royal family--depended, in the final instance, on American military protection. But the shah and the Saudis were more eager to appease nationalist and Islamic radicals who called for a united Arab front against the "Zionist oppressors" and "Western imperialists." The cost of crossing the extremists was too great; the Saudis got a taste of what they could expect when, in the spring of 1973, terrorists attacked one of their refineries and pipelines. The royal family decided to buy off the extremists, even if it meant offending Washington. But then they did not especially fear the wrath of the Americans. They figured--rightly, as it turned out--that the United States would do little to undermine their governments because it feared that the alternative, whether Nasserite or fundamentalist, would be worse.

Just as the OPEC potentates expected, the United States submitted supinely to economic blackmail. The U.S. government made no attempt to take back by force the oil fields confiscated by various Middle Eastern despots. Washington did not even try to prosecute OPEC for blatant violations of antitrust law, as it has done with other overseas cartels such as De Beers. Doing so might have required legislation to lift the "sovereign immunity" provision that protects foreign governments, under most circumstances, from being sued in U.S. courts. This would have been perfectly possible for Congress to do--if any administration had pushed for such legislation. But none did. Numerous bills to allow OPEC to be sued have died in Congress, the most recent being legislation sponsored in 2001 by Rep. Ben Gilman. The result is that De Beers executives are afraid to visit the United States for fear of being arrested or served with legal papers. But OPEC sheikhs, who rig the price of a commodity far more important than diamonds, are able to come to the United States whenever they desire access to physicians, chefs, or prostitutes superior to those available in the Arab world. They also feel free to keep vast amounts of money in the U.S. financial system without fear of having their assets frozen.

By the 1980s, the oil crisis had passed, having inflicted great damage on the economies of the West. Saudi Arabia, with the largest oil reserves in the world, earned Washington's gratitude for moderating prices, much as a local Mafia boss might earn the gratitude of a bodega owner whose shop he refrained from destroying. But the Saudi pressure on fellow OPEC states not to raise prices too high, while presented to credulous Washington policymakers as a great favor to America, was in reality self-serving: Riyadh was afraid that if it priced its oil out of the market the result would be a slackening of demand and the development of alternative energy sources. That is precisely what happened during the 1970s oil crisis, which made it profitable for Britain and Norway to extract high-cost oil from the North Sea.

Generations of Washington policymakers have fooled themselves into thinking that Saudi oil revenues could be directed for friendly purposes. This illusion was easy to sustain in the 1980s when the Saudis, for their own theological purposes, bankrolled anti-Soviet mujahedeen in Afghanistan. Again, this was presented by Riyadh as a great favor to Washington, but was actually in the Saudis' interest, since it was designed to court favor with Islamic extremists both at home and abroad. Since September 11, 2001, it has become obvious that significant sums in petrodollars have gone to fund virulently anti-Western madrassas around the world or have found their way into the pockets of outright terrorists like Osama bin Laden, himself a Saudi. This places OPEC's activities--previously seen merely as greed run amok--in a rather more sinister light. The Saudis and the rest weren't just out to make a buck; they were also out, like Nasser before them, to assert Arab and Islamic power at the expense of the West. And successive American administrations--obsessed, understandably, with the Soviet threat--did little to stop them.


The Mullahs
BY THE LATE 1970s, Nasserite pan-Arabism was a spent force; Anwar Sadat, Nasser's successor, conceded as much by reaching a peace agreement with Israel. But there now arose a new and even more virulent threat to the United States in the form of Islamism, a violent creed that blended elements of fundamentalist Islam with a power-centered ideology inspired by fascism and communism. The catalyst for its rise was the 1979 Iranian revolution which overthrew America's great friend, the shah. The Carter administration did little to help the shah, hoping thereby to woo support among the revolutionaries. But the hard-liners effectively foreclosed this possibility on November 4, 1979, when they invaded the U.S. embassy in Tehran.

Seventy-nine years earlier, when hordes of fanatical Boxers had invaded the Legation Quarter in Peking, America, Japan, and the leading nations of Europe had dispatched a large expeditionary force to march on the Chinese capital and liberate the besieged diplomats. But Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini had no fear of an American army marching on Tehran. "Our youth should be confident that America cannot do a damn thing," he told his followers three days after the embassy takeover. "America is far too impotent to interfere in a military way here. If they could have interfered, they would have retained the shah."

The ayatollah was right. Jimmy Carter contented himself with imposing ineffectual diplomatic and economic sanctions. Only after nearly five months of "America held hostage" did Carter attempt a rescue mission, and the pathetic Eagle Claw expedition had to be aborted on April25, 1980, after two aircraft collided at a rendezvous point code-named Desert One. The president rejected suggestions to invade Iran, or at the very least, bombard or capture its oil facilities and other important targets. This, it was feared, would lead to the hostages' being killed.

Carter's gambit paid off to the extent that all 52 hostages were released alive. But by showing such restraint, Carter ensured that many more Americans would be kidnapped and killed in the future.

Years later, one of the embassy guards, former Marine Sgt. Rodney Sickmann, regretted that he'd been ordered not to fire so much as a tear gas canister at the embassy invaders. "Had we opened fire on them maybe we would only have lasted an hour," he told the New York Times in 2002. But "we could have changed history" by showing that Americans could not be attacked with impunity. Instead the embassy surrender showed that Americans were easy targets. "If you look back, it started in 1979; it's just escalated," Sickmann says.

The escalation occurred first in Saudi Arabia and Egypt. In 1979 Islamist radicals briefly seized the Grand Mosque in Mecca, and in 1981 they assassinated Anwar Sadat. The Levant soon became a major focus of their operations.

In the late 1970s and early 1980s, the Palestine Liberation Organization--a secular organization but one that often cooperated with Islamist groups--used southern Lebanon as a base from which to attack Israel. Israel responded by invading Lebanon in 1982, putting the PLO fighters on the run and trapping them in Beirut. At this point, the United States, as so often in the past, intervened to prevent Israel from winning a complete victory against its sworn enemies. President Reagan pressured Prime Minister Menachem Begin to rein in his troops and let Yasser Arafat and his followers leave Lebanon, preserving them to fight another day. To supervise the evacuation of 8,000 Fatah fighters, the United States, along with France and Italy, landed a small peacekeeping force in Beirut. Though this force was soon evacuated, the three countries decided to send a larger force back after the massacre at the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps to help the Lebanese government restore some semblance of control over a country torn by civil war. Unfortunately this only increased the number of targets available for Iranian-backed Islamists who were openly waging war on the Great Satan.

The death toll mounted fast. On April 18, 1983, a Shiite suicide bomber struck the U.S. embassy in Beirut, killing 63 people, 17 Americans among them, including both the CIA station chief and his deputy. On October 23 of that year, another Shiite suicide bomber hit the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut, killing 241 soldiers. In the face of this attack, the Reagan administration revealed itself to be no more muscular than its Democratic predecessor had been. After the battleship New Jersey hurled a few Volkswagen-sized shells into the hills above Beirut, President Reagan announced that the remaining Marines would be "redeployed" to ships offshore. This sent a loud and clear message to America's enemies: The Americans are weak. Kill a few of them, and you can chase them out of your country.

The image of American impotence was reinforced by the continuing hostage crisis in Lebanon. Having learned in 1979 that taking American hostages pays, the Iranians decided to turn this into a major business. With the complicity of Syria, the Iranians directed their Hezbollah proxies to kidnap and kill a steady stream of Westerners. Among those seized and murdered were William Buckley, the new CIA station chief in Beirut, and Marine Colonel William Higgins, chief of a U.N. peacekeeping force.

It did not require Hercule Poirot to see Iranian fingerprints all over these operations. Many of the kidnap victims were held at the Sheik Abdallah Barracks in the Lebanese town of Baalbek, which had been taken over as a base of operations by uniformed members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, the Pasdaran. One of the early hostages--David Dodge, acting president of the American University Beirut, who was abducted on July 19, 1982--was transported first to Damascus, and then, from there, to Tehran via Iran Air. He was held in the Iranian capital for six months before being released. None of this was a secret at the time; Robert Baer, a former CIA case officer, recounts in his gripping memoir, "See No Evil," how in October 1984 he visited Baalbek and even saw the barracks where he suspected (rightly, as it turned out) that Buckley and five other Westerners were imprisoned.

Washington's ineffectual response in the face of this aggression boggles the mind. The Reagan administration did briefly bomb Libya in 1986, in response to an attack on a Berlin disco, but these pinprick airstrikes only enraged Muammar Qaddafi, whose agents, in retaliation, destroyed Pan Am flight 103 in 1988, killing 270 people. More significantly, the Reagan administration did not punish Damascus or Tehran, which were bigger sponsors of anti-American terrorism than Tripoli. It did not even dispatch Delta Force to Baalbek to free the captives and kill their kidnappers. Instead it provided the Iranian mullahs with arms in exchange for hostages, making a mockery of America's traditional policy of not dealing with terrorists. This policy was not even very successful on its face: Repeated American deliveries of thousands of missiles induced Iran to release just three hostages.


Saddam
AMERICA was an equal opportunity appeaser. While trying to buy off Iran, it was also backing Iran's mortal enemy, Iraq, during their war in the 1980s. This was a justifiable realpolitik policy designed to forestall Iranian domination of the Persian Gulf, and included a limited war to protect Kuwaiti tankers from Iranian attacks in 1987-88. As part of this "tanker war," the USS Vincennes shot down an Iranian passenger airliner on July 3, 1988. It was an accident, but conspiracy-minded Iranians thought it a deliberate expression of a new get-tough approach by that cowboy Ronald Reagan. Within a month, Tehran had concluded a cease-fire with Iraq--an odd testament to the far-reaching results that even the inadvertent and misguided flexing of American muscle could achieve in the Middle East.

Unfortunately, America continued catering to Saddam Hussein even after the Iran-Iraq War was over. On July 25, 1990, U.S. Ambassador April Glaspie had an infamous meeting with Saddam in which she informed the Iraqi dictator that the United States had "no opinion on Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait." Saddam took this as a green light for his invasion of his tiny neighbor, which began a week later. It turned out that his expectation of American acquiescence--based not only on his conversation with Glaspie but also on his reading of events of the previous three decades, going all the way back to Suez in 1956--was not justified. President Bush, with a prompt from Margaret Thatcher, mobilized an impressive coalition to kick Iraq out of Kuwait. Desert Storm turned into one of the most one-sided wars in history.

It was America's shining hour--a victory that might have erased years of failure in the Middle East. Except that Bush refused to follow the logic of military victory to its natural political outcome; he ended the ground war after just 100 hours, while the Republican Guard remained intact and Saddam remained in power. In the cease-fire that followed, General Norman Schwarzkopf unwisely allowed Saddam's forces to fly helicopters over the parts of Iraq they still controlled. Those helicopters helped Saddam slaughter Shiites and Kurds who had risen up against his rule--at American instigation--in great numbers. American prestige instantly plummeted from the heights it had attained just a few weeks before. And no wonder. Here was the mighty American army sitting idle, while nearby rivers ran red with the blood of their allies.

This inaction in the face of Saddam's provocations would be repeated time and again in the 1990s. Saddam plotted to kill George H.W. Bush in 1993; in retaliation, President Clinton unleashed America's full wrath . . . to flatten an empty intelligence headquarters. The U.S. government hatched a plot to overthrow Saddam in 1995, only to pull out at the last minute, and leave its Kurdish friends to either cut deals with the dictator, flee, or be killed. Saddam stopped cooperating with U.N. weapons inspectors in 1998; in response, the United States and Britain bombed Iraq for all of four days. None of this made an appreciable dent in Saddam's dictatorship. This failure suggested to conspiracy-minded Middle Easterners either that the United States secretly wanted to maintain Saddam in power for some nefarious purpose, or that it feared the Iraqi dictator. Either way, the vacillating U.S. policy on Iraq signaled a fatal lack of seriousness on America's part.


Al Qaeda
THIS IMPRESSION was reinforced in the 1990s by America's failure to take stern steps against the terrorists who waged war against it. Continuing a campaign that began in 1979, Islamist operatives bombed the World Trade Center in 1993, two U.S. embassies in Africa in 1998, and the USS Cole in 2000. Hezbollah attacked a Saudi National Guard facility in Riyadh in 1995, killing five Americans, and the Khobar Towers barracks in 1996, killing 19 Americans. Al Qaeda also claimed credit for working with local tribesmen to kill 18 American soldiers in Mogadishu in 1993, driving U.S. forces out of Somalia. Daniel Pipes estimates that even before the costliest terrorist strike in history occurred on September 11, 2001, Islamist violence directed at Americans had killed 800 people--"more than killed by any other enemy since the Vietnam War."

Yet, as Pipes notes, "these murders hardly registered." Successive administrations, Republican and Democratic alike, treated them not as an ongoing war but as a matter for the criminal justice system. Bob Woodward's new book, "Bush at War," reveals that during the Clinton administration, a group of Afghan agents hired by the CIA to shadow Osama bin Laden offered to kill the al Qaeda leader. The agency refused to authorize the mission, because it would have violated the executive ban on assassinations.

Such unwarranted restraint demoralized America's friends in the region and emboldened our enemies. Looking at how America was chased out of Vietnam, Lebanon, and Somalia, bin Laden and his minions thought they saw an explanation for America's inaction: The United States was too weak and decadent to resist the jihadists. "We no longer fear the so-called Great Powers," bin Laden proclaimed in a 2000 recruitment video for al Qaeda.

We believe that America is much weaker than Russia; and our brothers who fought in Somalia told us they were astonished to observe how weak, impotent and cowardly the American soldier is. As soon as eighty [sic] American troops were killed, they fled in the dark as fast as they could, after making a great noise about the new international order. America's nightmares in Vietnam and Lebanon will pale by comparison with the forthcoming victory in al-Hijaz.

Presumably the campaign in Afghanistan disabused al Qaeda of some of these illusions--but not all. The toppling of the Taliban was a good start, but only a start. A bigger test now awaits us in Iraq. America's "friends" in the region fear that American troops will march on Baghdad and install a democratic government, something that would undermine their own grip on power. They couch this fear in the language of "stability"--toppling Saddam, they counsel, would foster "instability" in the region. This is actually the best reason to liberate Iraq. The "stability" of the region produced September 11. There is no guarantee what will come out of post-invasion "instability," but if the United States remains a strong player in the region, it should be considerably better than the status quo antebellum.

Beyond Iraq loom other challenges--especially Syria and Iran, which have been waging undeclared war on the United States for 20 years, but also Saudi Arabia, which has abetted this war even as it has benefited from American protection. It is possible that a U.S. victory in Iraq will intimidate these regimes into better behavior. If not, the United States will have to take more vigorous steps to align our relationships with these countries with our interests and principles. This is a major undertaking, and the necessity for it might have been averted by wiser action years ago, but the long record of U.S. futility in the Middle East now presents us with this defining task.

Edited by Kissinger, 20 February 2003 - 03:40 AM.


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Smoking Gun Floating Around Ocean

February 19, 2003



U.S. and British intelligence are tracking three giant cargo ships, each with a dead weight of 35,000 to 40,000 tons, which snuck out of Iraq a few days before the hapless inspector Clouseaus arrived in November. The trio has sailed around the world's oceans since leaving port, leading intel to suspect that the ships carry Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.

The ships have maintained radio silence (a violation of international maritime law) and refused to list their cargo. They're just out there doing circles in the ocean. Now, why would they be marking time like that? What's in their cargo holds? It's said that discovering WMDs or a deadly cargo on board would give George Bush and Tony Blair the "smoking gun" they "need to justify an attack."

Whoa! We don't "need" that to "justify" an attack, and you know what else? A gun doesn't "smoke" until after it's fired. We don't want the proof to come in a nuclear mushroom cloud over one of our cities. That's what bothers me about this stupid cliché. In this case, once the "gun" is fired, it could kill tens of millions of people. We're losing the language for crying out loud. We are interested in what's on these ships, but we don't need to find Saddam with a nuke to know he's trying to get one - and even if we do, he'll just pass a law to ban it.

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It's Not Heroic to Speak in a Free Society; Real Dissent Would Be Protesting In Iraq

February 19, 2003


On Wednesday, we had a caller named Misty who really got a bunch of other callers fired up. Misty is not a protestor, but thinks America is acting unilaterally and hypocritically because we're not about to attack North Korea as well as Iraq - and because she thinks we're bullying the world. Her mind has been filled with anti-American liberal bilge for so long, that she can't see things any differently.

Don't be mad at people like Misty. It's what she's been taught. It's just impossible for these people to believe that America might be better than anybody else. To these people, America and the world is a zero-sum game. I should have kept Misty on and asked her, "Misty, do you find it difficult to be pro-America because you think that will be interpreted as you not liking or hating other nations?" I guarantee she would answer yes. To these people you can't love America and also respect other nations.

Secretary of State Colin Powell said on French radio that countries like France opposing swift military action against Iraq are chicken. He said they're afraid of upholding their responsibility to disarm Baghdad by force. He said it's not a satisfactory solution to continue inspections indefinitely because certain countries are afraid of upholding their responsibility to impose the will of the international community.


Try To Protest In Iraq or China


If you don't want to listen to me, listen to Colin Powell, people. Misty made the point that we are acting unilaterally, but the last time I looked, there were over twenty nations going with us, not counting those in the Arab regions who she said have no choice and that we're forcing along. Well, if we're forcing them along why don't we force everybody? Why don't we force the French? The Arabs in that region want Hussein gone as badly as anybody does, but they can't publicly say so because of their own populations. Wait and see when this happens, Misty, because you're going to get such a different picture. It's going to be the French who will be the true unilateralists. They're going to be the only ones out there. I predict even Germany is going to be with us.

Many of you peace protesters consider yourselves heroes, but I don't consider what you're doing to actually be defined as dissent. You have freedom of speech in this country, the First Amendment. It takes no guts or courage to put up a stupid sign, march in the street and think you're making a difference. That's not dissent. It's not heroic.

Now, if you want to do that in a country that doesn't allow it, I'll call that dissent. You go to Iraq or China and try it, and then I'll call you a hero. America is the greatest nation in the history of humanity because we have the kind of freedom the protestors enjoy – and this is what we're going to bring to the Iraqi people, in due course.

Edited by bobdrake12, 20 February 2003 - 02:34 AM.


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You Peace Protestors Are Being Duped

February 19, 2003



My friends, there's no intelligence agency of any government which does not know that the government of Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. Let's not forget this. We've even had some of these big-hearted, well-intentioned, super-patriot, anti-war protesters call here and express concern about going to war with Iraq because, if we do, Saddam might release his weapons of mass destruction on our troops.

Wait a minute, what weapons of mass destruction? You protesters are going to have to get your story straight. He doesn't have anything worth being concerned about so what could he possibly unleash against our troops? I mean come on, folks! Don't get suckered and roped in by this PR battle here. The press and Saddam Hussein are playing you like Stradivarius.

We had a call from a protestor named Troy from Durham, North Carolina who admitted to us that no protestors are making any demands on Saddam Hussein because "no one's pretending Saddam Hussein is reasonable."

That just said it all! No demands are made on Hussein, because he's not reasonable. Yet, he has weapons of mass destruction. So let's protest Bush and appease the unreasonable danger monger? Boy, you people are being duped. It's so sad. The more you protest, the more you stretch this thing out and delay, and the more you aid Saddam Hussein.

If you really want to avoid war, you would be calling for him to step aside. If Saddam Hussein left Iraq, there would be no war. This is why I say that these protests aren't really anti-war. They are anti-Bush.

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Iraqi opposition 'moves troops in'

Villagers in northern Iraq say an Iranian-backed opposition group has begun moving troops into the area (excerpts)


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Residents of Meydan said they had seen a large number of trucks bringing Supreme Council of the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (Sciri) soldiers from Iran in recent days.

They said the Sciri forces had come to the village, which is on the road from the Iranian border, but then moved on to other parts of the Kurdish-controlled enclave of northern Iraq.

A Reuters news agency reporter in Meydan says he saw at least 200 of the Shia Muslim soldiers, who were wearing camouflage uniforms and carrying Kalashnikov assault rifles.

However, Sciri has denied a report that it has sent about 5,000 of its troops into the enclave to prepare for a possible US-led war.

Edited by bobdrake12, 20 February 2003 - 02:55 AM.


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US presses Turkey on Iraq (excerpts)

The United States has intensified its pressure on Turkey following Ankara's postponement of a decision to allow US troops on Turkish soil for a possible war on Iraq.

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said Washington had made its final aid offer to Turkey as part of the deal and there was not "a lot of time left".

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Coalition of the Unwilling
Nations will be nations.

his has been an exciting few days for students of classical geopolitics. Two international organizations, the United Nations and NATO, are being shaken by blocs of member states pursuing divergent national interests. In the process, they are demonstrating that organizations of these types are not supra-national entities with corporate interests and goals, but simply alternate arenas in which countries pursue politics by other means. Inside or outside the U.N., with or without NATO, countries still behave the same self-seeking way they always have and always will. It is so blatant it's refreshing.

The Franco-German-Russian Bloc find themselves facing the equally determined American-British-Spanish-Portuguese-Italian-Plus-a-Bunch-of-Others Coalition. Details of the Franco-German "secret plan" to avert armed intervention in Iraq are sketchy, either because it is an unusually well-kept secret or because, like Richard Nixon's "secret plan" to end the Vietnam War, it does not yet exist. Russia has voiced support for the plan, whatever it may turn out to be. Germany has stated that the proposal does not involve dispatching peacekeepers to Iraq, as originally reported, but does support the "decisive reinforcement" of the inspection regime. (We could perhaps reach compromise by calling the 180,000 Coalition ground forces "inspectors" and sending them in — a very decisive reinforcement.)

Since Saddam has shown no compunction to cooperate meaningfully with the inspection regime, it is unclear why having more inspectors will lead to more satisfactory results, or why blunting the threat of force will convince this hardened realist dictator that his foes mean business. Yet for the coalition of the unwilling there are greater interests involved than the issues at hand in Iraq, for example:

1. The desire to restrain the United States. Each country would like to see the United States contained and stop behaving like a global hegemon, especially when it comes to the use of military power, where they are at a disadvantage. Germany has seen itself as the primary economic power in a united Europe, and has no particular desire to extend its influence militarily, or see the military instrument being used so effectively. France has similar Euro-pretensions, and Russia, of course, has little need for an even more assertive U.S. than the one that brought about the end of the Soviet Empire.

2. The need to stay relevant. It is difficult to maintain ranking as a world power if you are being ignored. France in particular clings to its great power status, which rests solely on the legitimate possession of nuclear weapons and permanent-member status on the Security Council, both legacies of World War II-era agreements long since superseded by reality. Russia is in a similar situation, yet with the added complication of a GDP per capita lower than American Samoa. Germany of course makes a virtue of the fact that its previous attempts at global relevance led to constitutional provisions banning most military action abroad.

3. Avoiding bad precedents. All three countries would prefer to see U.S. actions kept within the framework of the United Nations. Warfare by coalition is bad enough; future regime changes being pulled off by the United States unilaterally would be intolerable.

4. Catering to Muslims at home and abroad. These countries have substantial domestic Muslim minorities, and supporting a war in Iraq could generate various sorts of problems. In addition, essentially siding with the Muslim world against Coalition war talk ingratiates them. Note though that this does not apply as clearly to Russia, as its actions in Chechnya attest.

5. Resisting regime change in Iraq. Baghdad owes France and Russia tens of billions of dollars. Whether those debts would survive the transfer of power or become a "gift of the international community" is anybody's guess.

6. Oil. The oil issue is worth some extended discussion. The familiar mantra "No War for Oil" takes on an interesting meaning when discussing these countries, and France in particular. A war in Iraq would have very negative effects on French economic prospects in the region. (Why they would have obviously positive effects for the U.S. is something best explained by the antiwar crew, because it is not evident to me.) France is currently Iraq's most favored trading partner, and is heavily involved in Mideast regional energy development. The French energy giant Total Fina Elf recently brought the world's largest offshore natural gas field online in southern Iran, along with Russian natural gas firm Gazprom and the Malaysian company Petronas. Total Fina Elf also has multibillion-dollar oil contracts with Iraq, but because of U.N. resolutions, these contracts have not been signed and cannot be executed until sanctions are lifted. The Russian form Lukoil had a similar $4 billion agreement to develop the Iraqi West Qurnah oil field, but an indignant Saddam recently nullified the deal when Russia established contacts with the Iraqi opposition. Seems like Saddam can't trust anybody these days.

One outstanding question is whether there will be automatic succession of the existing agreements should Saddam be overthrown. Regime change could bring about a shift in fortunes, with American and British petroleum companies being the primary beneficiaries. So goes the theory. However, note that Kuwait has been reticent to extend such privileged access to American oil firms, and that country owes its very existence to the United States. Nevertheless, all of this will be moot if war breaks out, because the oil wells will likely not survive. Saddam will seek to destroy Iraqi petroleum production facilities to deny them to potential successors, a concept discussed last year in NRO and now generally accepted as the most likely scenario. Whoever inherits these flaming ruins will face years of reconstruction and billions in investment to restore full Iraqi production. This is hardly a bargain — but if no war is fought, the oil wells will survive, sanctions will be lifted, and the contracts could be executed. The fact that French oil interests tend to mitigate the potential conflict is an irony for the Greens to ponder.

Ultimately, the secret plan, if it exists, will go before the Security Council, where it could face veto from the U.S. or U.K. The U.S. is playing the same game by pursuing a more robust use of force resolution, which the French, Russians or the lately somewhat subdued Chinese can veto that if they choose. Nevertheless, that leaves Resolution 1441 standing, which the Coalition has maintained authorizes the use of force if Iraq is found to be not in compliance — which is the case thus far.

Meanwhile on the NATO front, France, and Germany, joined by the doughty Belgians, have blocked Turkish requests to begin preparing defenses against possible spillover from a coalition attack against Iraq (especially if it is partly launched from Turkish soil). Opponents of the move claim that NATO may only act if the threat is imminent. The Turks responded by invoking Article IV, which requires consultation between member states if one feels threatened. The Article has only been invoked once before — by Turkey, in 1991, under similar circumstances. Turkey may of course establish such defenses as it pleases as a sovereign state, and may invite any countries to assist in these efforts who choose to. The Franco-German-Beligian dissenters have stated that they would of course come to Turkey's aid in event of an actual emergency, but even preparing to do so now would make war more likely. In response the Turks might bring to their attention the willingness of France and Germany — and even Belgium — to commit to NATO's probably illegal attack on Serbia in 1999.

Another important development has been the willingness of some Eastern European NATO aspirants to pledge support for the war effort. This is in part because they (unlike liberal Americans) know how the Cold War really ended and credit Ronald Reagan rather than Mikhail Gorbachev for their freedom. But more importantly, they still face the geopolitical reality of Russia on their flank, and want to keep the U.S. engaged in Europe for their own protection. Russia of course has sought ways to wedge the U.S. off the continent since 1945, which is another reason to side with France and Germany.

Overall, the Coalition retains the initiative. The facts on the ground dictate it. In the end, force will be used if necessary regardless of what the French, Germans, and Russians do or do not do. Of them, the French have consistently reserved the right to join in the war against Iraq if they deem it necessary (unlike Germany which has indicated it will not get involved under any circumstances). It will not be in French interests to sit the war out if it comes. The pattern they are displaying now is similar to 1990-91. Back then France tried doggedly to prevent the use of force against Iraq, and even a few days before the advent of Operation Desert Storm introduced a last-ditch diplomatic proposal endorsed by Germany and Belgium, among others (such as the PLO and Libya). Yet, when this initiative failed, Prime Minister Michel Rocard stated that "In any international police operation, the fatal moment comes when one must act. Alas, after everything we have done to avoid it, that moment has now arrived." The French assembly voted 523-43 to approve President Francois Mitterrand's war message. (A few days earlier the U.S. House had voted on a similar resolution, 250-183.) Ultimately the French will be on board. They will have to be part of the winning team to get a piece of the peace. In fact, I would not be surprised to see French forces be the first to reach Baghdad. After the shooting stops, I mean.

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Posted 21 February 2003 - 02:28 AM

This is from the Drudge Report.

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Pentagon Leaning Against Use Of E-Bomb Against Iraq

Thu Feb 20 2003 10:16:46 ET


The U.S. military has developed a weapon that can permanently disable electrical and telecommunications systems and has debated the possibility of using it in any military assault against Baghdad, the WALL STREET JOURNAL reported on Thursday.

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The new weapon -- known as the 'e-bomb,' for the high-velocity electromagnetic pulses it discharges -- hasn't yet been tested in battle. But some midlevel Air Force commanders have said that using such a weapon, which was long in development but veiled in secrecy, would give the U.S. a decisive initial advantage in a war with Iraq.

Top Pentagon and military-service officials are leaning against using the e-bomb, though.

They are concerned its use could alienate the Iraqi populace by crippling Baghdad's phone and electrical systems and, hence, the city's hospital and emergency-services infrastructure.

Developing...

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Turkey May Vote Next Week on U.S. Troops (excerpts)

Thu Feb 20, 3:40 PM ET

By LOUIS MEIXLER, Associated Press Writer



ANKARA, Turkey - Brushing aside U.S. warnings that time is running out, Turkey's foreign minister said Thursday that a parliamentary vote on basing tens of thousands of U.S. troops for an Iraq war is unlikely before early next week.

Without access to bases in Turkey, the U.S. military would have to abandon a central feature of its strategy for war against Iraq: using armored forces to open a northern front that would divide the Iraqi army.


The stalemate centers over Turkish demands for a reported $10 billion in grants and $20 billion in long-term loans. Babacan said the United States had offered $6 billion in grants, CNN-Turk reported. It is not clear how much was offered in loans.


The negotiations with Turkey involve the stationing of ground forces. Warplanes are widely expected to be based in Turkey as they were during the 1991 Gulf War. Some 50 U.S. aircraft have long been in southern Turkey patrolling the "no-fly" zone over northern Iraq.

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I saw the e-bomb article on Drudge Report also Bob. I think it could be disinformation.

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I saw the e-bomb article on Drudge Report also Bob. I think it could be disinformation.


Kissinger, I see all options remaining open.

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Kissinger,  I see all options remaining open.


As do I Bob. All I am saying is that the way this Administration is dealing with "potential leakage" is by throwing out infinite possibilities. Sort of like a smoke screen. Here is a good article from the NYT by Safire.

The Yes-But Parade
WILLIAM SAFIRE


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After his resounding re-election in 1936, Franklin D. Roosevelt turned on the right wing of his Democratic Party. "He invented a new word," recalled his speechwriter, Samuel Rosenman, "to describe the congressman who publicly approved a progressive objective but who always found something wrong with any specific proposal to gain that objective — a yes-but fellow."

In gaining the progressive objective of stripping a genocidal maniac of weapons capable of murdering millions, today's U.S. president is half-supported, half-obstructed by a new parade of politicians and pundits who applaud the goal but deplore the means necessary to achieve it. Count the banners of today's yes-butters:

1. Yes, Saddam Hussein is evil, a monster in power, but is it for us to assume the power to crush every cruel tyrant in the world?

2. Yes, only the threat of U.S. force enabled the U.N. inspectors to get back into Iraq, but now that they're there, why not let them poke around until they find something?

3. Yes, Saddam is probably working on germs and poison gases and maybe even nukes, but he hasn't used them lately, and what's the rush to stop him now — why not wait until inspectors find proof positive or he demonstrates his possession?

4. Yes, Iraqi weapons could someday obliterate New York, but what's the use of stopping them when North Korean missiles could even sooner take out Los Angeles?

5. Yes, Saddam has defied 17 U.N. Security Council resolutions over a dozen years to disarm, but aren't we his moral equivalent by threatening to get it done despite a French veto?

6. Yes, we have credible testimony from captives that Saddam harbors in Baghdad terrorists trained by and affiliated with Al Qaeda, but where's the smoking gun that shows the ultimate nexus — that he personally ordered the attacks of Sept. 11?

7. Yes, ending Saddam's rewards to families of suicide bombers would remove an incentive to kill innocents, but wouldn't the exercise of coalition power to curtail the financing of terror create a thousand new Osama bin Ladens?

8. Yes, the liberation of 23 million oppressed and brutalized Iraqis would spread realistic hope for democratic change throughout the Arab world, but wouldn't that destabilize the Saudi monarchy and drive up oil prices?

9. Yes, we could win, and perhaps quickly, but what if we have to fight in the streets of Baghdad or have to watch scenes of civilians dying on TV?

10. Yes, cost is no object in maintaining U.S. national security, but exactly how much is war going to cost and why not break your tax-cut promises in advance?

11. Yes, the democratic nation most easily targeted by Saddam's missiles is willing to brave that risk, but doesn't such silent support prove that American foreign policy is manipulated by the elders of Zion?

12. Yes, liberation and human rights and the promotion of democracy and the example to North Korea and Iran are all fine Wilsonian concepts, but such idealism has no place in realpolitik — and can you guarantee that our servicemembers will be home for Christmas?

This is the dirty dozen of doubt, the non-rallying cry of the half-hearted. The yes-butters never forthrightly oppose, as principled pacifists do. Rather than challenge the ends, they demean the means. Rather than go up against a grand design, they play the devil with the details. Afflicted by doubt created by the potential cost of action, they flinch at calculating the far greater cost of inaction.

Haughty statesmen felt for years that "poorly brought up" Bosnians and Kosovars were unworthy of outside military defense — until hundreds of thousands of innocent Muslims embarrassingly died. Iraqi Kurds by the thousands were poison-gassed as well, their cries and exodus ignored by European leaders in the name of preserving the sovereignty of despots. These local crowd-pleasers are ready to again embrace peace at any price so long as others pay the price.

The firm opponents of a just war draw succor from the yes-butters, whose fears are expressed in dwelling on the uncertainty of great enterprises. Their fears are neither unreasoning or unjustified, but, in the words of a president who rose above paralysis, "paralyze needed efforts to turn retreat into advance."

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-- POST BY SAILLE WILLOW
Here is an alternative proposal for a solution.

Written by Peter Fabricius, The Star, February 21, 2003.


Solution to pending war may lie with women

I take up my pen with heavy heart, to betray my sex. This is really a column that should have been written by a woman, but women seem to have been cowed into silence by the rising flood of testosterone that threatens to engulf the world.

I am driven to this act of gender treason by a vision of cavemen brandishing clubs at each other and grunting, in ever-louder voices, muffled words without vowels, like "WMD!" and "CBW!". Even Saint Mandela has stooped to using uncharacteristically uncouth language in this global grunting contest.

Reluctantly, I must propose to the fairer sex that it is time they deploy the most awesome weapon known to man, that Weapon of Mass Male Depression, Lysistrata, or the Great Pacifier.

Lysistrata? This is a terrible, smart weapon which I hope, for his sake, even Hans Blix has not discovered yet. It was first deployed in ancient Greece during the Peloponnesian wars between Athens and Sparta. The playwright Aristophanes wrote a play about it - ostensibly a comedy, but in truth a tale more tragic even than Oedipus the King or Antigone - at least to men.

Lysistrata was a comely women of Athens who grew tired of the endless warring with the Spartans and called together the women of both sides to propose a simple but deadly solution: that they should all withdraw their sexual favours until their menfolk stopped fighting each other.

They did so, and after a fairly short period of much groaning and sighing, the men of Greece realised that all the big political issues they had hitherto been prepared to kill and die for were in fact of relatively minor importance, and they sued for peace, ending 27 years of war. Imperial ambition, national independence and pride, sovereignty, etc - all the big words of history and politics - capitulated without a fight before the advance (or perhaps that should be the retreat) of Lysistrata…

Is it not high time that Mrs Bush, Mrs Blair, Mrs Rumsfeld (especially her), Mrs Hussein (is there a Mrs Hussein?; is there more than one Mrs Hussein?) and a few other wives, mistresses, etc, of the key males brandishing clubs at each other right now got together in a secret venue and took a page from the literature of ancient Greece? (And here let's include Mr Rice, spouse of Condoleezza Rice.)

I grant you, chaps, this is a desperate measure to propose but these are desperate times. Globally, much-vaunted male logic seems to have gone awry. Saddam Hussein should, logically, be handing over every last bit of anything that could be vaguely construed as a weapon of mass destruction. George Bush should, logically, not fire his own WMDs until he is absolutely sure that Saddam is holding a "smoking gun".

Weak-minded men are on the sidelines, like ANC secretary-general Kgalema Motlanthe, are making crazy and damaging suggestions, such as that South Africa is the next target in America's sights. (He is our Scud, a Weapon of Random Destruction).

Others are being sucked into the maelstrom, neglecting their own duties at home. (Admittedly, some women are among them: witness Winnie Madikizela-Mandela, who has offered to go to Iraq as a human shield, sacrificing all that valuable time she spends in parliament.)…

We are standing on the brink of a war which no man seems able to comprehend or prevent. Both sides seem right and both sides seem wrong. We men have clearly lost the plot.

So maybe it is up to the women to show us the plot - Aristophanes' plot, which is in essence "Make love, or war, but not both, I'm afraid, honey".


-- BY SAILLE WILLOW

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Posted 22 February 2003 - 06:02 AM

Is it not high time that Mrs Bush, Mrs Blair, Mrs Rumsfeld (especially her), Mrs Hussein (is there a Mrs Hussein?; is there more than one Mrs Hussein?) and a few other wives, mistresses, etc, of the key males brandishing clubs at each other right now got together in a secret venue and took a page from the literature of ancient Greece? (And here let's include Mr Rice, spouse of Condoleezza Rice.)


Some how I do not think that Saddam "asks" his women for sex. I think he gets what he wants. Secondly, Condi Rice doesn't have a spouse. You need to get better informed. Claiming that this is all testosterone is a ludicrous argument intended to demean the seriousness of the situation in Iraq. Peter Fabricius should stick to the war for oil theme, it might get a little better traction.

Edited by Kissinger, 22 February 2003 - 06:06 AM.


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Posted 22 February 2003 - 07:00 AM

It's the eye of the tiger
It's the thrill of the fight
Risin' up to the challenge
Of our rival
And the last known survivor
Stalks his prey in the night
And his fortune must always be
Eye of the tiger


There will be no backing down. There will be no compromise. We are at war with the Middle East. Not its people, mind you. We are at war with its despots. We are at war with the abject poverty and hopelessness that breeds the extremism that caused 9/11. Peace will only come when the Middle East reforms, not before then.

There is a reason that force is used. It is used because sometimes peaceful solutions are not possible. Saddam's regime will crumble and fade into history, only to be remember as a speed bump on the road to progress.

We have shown weakness in the presence of our enemies for far too long. Our level of restraint has been unparalleled in human history. It is time to flex our guns. Why would we spend 400 billion dollars a year on our military if we didn't intend to use it?

I'm tired of calls for peace. It is so easy to be a peace warrior. Just claim to be "enlightened by peace" and people will look at you with admiration. Peace at all costs is dangerous and ignorant. I am not going to put the kids gloves on because some out there are such gentle creatures. In the real world, a domesticated animal that is let back into the wild is eaten. That is how the real world works.

Our enemies are apparently not listening to your calls for peace. Instead they are plotting how to kill our children. Or put rat poison on the bolts used in suicide bombs. There is one solution in dealing with these animals, these subhumans. Kill them. Kill each and every one of them.

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Posted 22 February 2003 - 07:11 AM

From Manhattan to Baghdad
One enemy, one war, one outcome.

The monotonous inquiries of the critics resound: "What does Iraq have to do with al Qaeda?" "First Afghanistan, now Iraq — what next?" "Isn't Bush's war endless?" "Aren't we diverting our attention from the war on terrorism?"

On the eve of war with Iraq, we should remember that such uncertainty about enemies, allies, aims, and the scope and duration of wars is typical. That al Qaeda does not meet us with tanks and planes on the field of battle does not mean we do not know whom we are fighting and where and how we should do it.

We speak of the "Persian Wars" of 490 and 480/79. But only later did Herodotus and the Greeks look back on the defeat of Darius I at Marathon (490) and Xerxes at Salamis (480) as related events in one overarching campaign. In retrospect, they saw that these battles were not isolated victories over various Persian kings with different agendas, but, in fact, all part of a ten-year struggle to free Greece from Persian despotism.

Thucydides wrote of a single, long Peloponnesian War. Most of his contemporaries probably disagreed. Plague, 21 sieges, two major hoplite battles, half a dozen sea fights, five invasions of Attica, far-off campaigns, helot insurrection, revolutions from the Ionian to the Aegean seas — how was all that terror and tyranny connected?

So many at the time thought that the Archidamian War, the Peace of Nicias, the Sicilian War, the Pachean War, and the Ionian War were all discrete events. Had all the fighting really been a war of Athens against Sparta — or, at times, Athens against Thebes — and against Sicily, the Peloponnesian States, and Persia? Did the terrorists on Corcyra have anything to do with the Athenian fleet or the Spartan army?

By contrast, Thucydides in a fit of genius understood that a single conflict involved a single theme — radical democratic imperialism pitted against conservative oligarchy. And in his view such fighting went on in a variety of confusing contexts and landscapes until one side capitulated — as Athens in fact did 27 years later. He didn't care much who joined in or where the conflict flared up and died down — only that it was one terrible war "like none other." Whether waged in Sicily, the Black Sea, the western Peloponnese, or outside the walls of Athens, it ended only when the reason for war — Sparta's "fear" of a grasping Athenian empire — no longer existed.

So wars are not only difficult for their participants to envision as simple events; the combatants are not always so easily distinguishable. Britain and America — but not Russia — fought Japan for most of the Second World War. Germany, under a non-aggression pact with Russia, fought England, and only later was defeated with the help of Russia and America. There was no more synchronism between Germany and Japan than among the present Axis of Evil. Russia never invaded Italy. Nor did Germany send troops to the Pacific, nor Japan to Europe. Guadalcanal was part of the same war, as was Stalingrad — just as Anzio was connected to the capture of Copenhagen, jungle fighting in Burma, and Hiroshima. If all that is not true, then we are wrong now grandly to speak of a "World War II" — a single conflict that combines the Pacific and European theaters, unified by a common struggle against fascism in its various manifestations in Germany, Italy, and Japan, and started on September 1, 1939, June 22, 1941, and December 7, 1941.

Before we criticize President Bush for "diverting attention" away from the war against al Qaeda, we should pause and at least grant that historians may envision it in quite a different way. It is just as likely that at some future date we will come to see that the war on terror for the United States started on September 11 with the murder of 3,000 Americans and the destruction of our planes and iconic buildings in New York and Washington. Then the war moved on to a variety of other theaters in Afghanistan and Iraq — and anywhere else the Islamo-fascists and their sponsors of terror operated or received aid.

"The Taliban War" (October-November 2001) was fought to destroy the Afghan sanctuary of bin Laden and remove the Taliban. It was waged simultaneously with the more insidious and stealthy "War on Terrorism" (September 12 through the present) conducted by police and intelligence operatives to stamp out al Qaeda cells in Europe, Asia, and the U.S.

A third, concomitant "Iraqi War" with additional enemies is a further effort to destroy an historical patron of terrorism and his cachés of deadly weapons that either have gone or will go to terrorists. Saddam's defeat will end the possibility that his oil-fueled supply of deadly weapons will fall into the hands of al Qaeda and its epigones. His end will isolate and cut off al Qaeda operatives in Kurdistan; it will rid Baghdad of enemies like Abu Abbas (and the ghost of Abu Nidal) as well as various al Qaeda visitors; it will stop bonuses for the suicide-killers of Hamas and Hezbollah (who embrace the same modus operandi and similar religious extremism as the 9/11 killers); and it will send a powerful message to states like Iran and Saudi Arabia that subsidizing terrorists who killed 3,000 Americans is a very dangerous thing to do.

Just as Italian fascists, Japanese militarists, and German Nazis saw commonalities in their efforts to spread right-wing nationalist rule, so Islamic radicals seek to end Western global influence in similar ways — either through the establishment of Islamic republics in the Gulf and other oil-producing countries or loose alliances of convenience with tyrannies like those in Syria, Libya, or Iraq, which can be cajoled, blackmailed, or openly joined with in ad hoc efforts to destroy a hated West.

Fascist states and radical Islamists, in fact, exhibit affinities that go well beyond sporadic and murky ties between such governments and fundamentalist terrorist groups. For one, in a post-Soviet Union world, they all seek weapons of mass destruction to be used as intercontinental blackmail as a way of weakening Western resolve and curtailing an American presence abroad.

For another, their common ideological enemy is liberal democracy — specifically its global promotion of freedom, individualism, capitalism, gender equity, religious diversity, and secularism that undermines both Islamic fundamentalism in the cultural sense, and politically makes it more difficult for tyrants to rule over complacent and ignorant populations. Third, our various enemies share an eerie modus operandi as well: Al Qaeda terrorists blew themselves up killing Americans; and so do terrorists on the West Bank — and so does Saddam Hussein send bounties to the families of such killers.

Nihilism — whether torching oil fields, gassing civilians, crashing airplanes, desecrating shrines, toppling towers, or creating oil slicks — is another telltale symptom of our enemies, as is the perversion of Islam, whether illustrated in bin Laden's crackpot communiqués, the rantings of Hezbollah and Hamas to extend theocracy and kill infidels, or Saddam Hussein's ugly nouveau minarets and holy books written with his own blood.

Muslims from the Middle East are not per se the enemy, but rather those renegade Muslims who use the cover of Islam to rally support for their self-serving politics. After all, without the bogeymen of Zionism and the Great Satan they would have to explain to their own dispossessed why Cairo is poorer than Tel Aviv, why heart surgery is done in London and not Damascus, or why so many Arabs seem to seek out Detroit rather than Baghdad.

Saddam Hussein, al Qaeda, bin Laden, Hezbollah, and others — they all talk in apocalyptic tones about Western decadence, the inability of Americans to take casualties, the need to destroy Israel, and the moral superiority of Islam. They all sprinkle here and there crazy references to crusaders, colonists, infidels, and jihad. They have all fought and killed Americans in the past, and brag that they will do so in the future — whether referring to cooked-up "victories" at "the mother of all battles" or the trenches and caves of Tora Bora.

Their real gripe is that the world is passing them all by — whether we speak in noble terms of the benefactions of globalization such as high-tech medicine and the respect that freedom conveys to the individual, or more the crass schlock of Michael Jackson's globally broadcasted sins and the addiction of video games. The millions of the Islamic world are at last trying to taste some of this far faster than their mullahs and dictators can stop them. So in the warped minds of terrorists and strongmen it is either to blow up a skyscraper or to blackmail the West with germs — or to see the slow strangulation of Islamic fundamentalism and Arab tyrannies through the advent of globalized freedom.

Are we, then, confronted with a clash of civilizations? Not really, but rather the tottering of the last impediments to the reform of the Arab world before it joins the world of nations, and embraces freedom and tolerance, which alone can provide it with security and prosperity. While there are hundreds of thousands of terrorists and state fascists in almost every Arab government, hundreds of millions of more ordinary citizens are watching this war to see who will win and what the ultimate settlement will consist of. Many, perhaps the majority, may for the moment have their hearts with bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, but their minds ultimately will convince them to join the victors and a promising future, rather than the losers and a bleak past.

The jailing of al Qaeda, the end of the Taliban, and the destruction of Saddam's clique will convince the Arab world that it is not wise or safe to practice jihad as it has been practiced since 1979. Killing American diplomats, blowing up Marines in their sleep, flattening embassies, attacking warships, and toppling buildings will not only not work but bring on a war so terrible that the very thought of the consequences from another 9/11 would be too horrific to contemplate.

Taking on all at once Germany, Japan, and Italy — diverse enemies all — did not require the weeding out of all the fascists and their supporters in Mexico, Argentina, Eastern Europe, and the Arab world. Instead, those in jackboots and armbands worldwide quietly stowed all their emblems away as organized fascism died on the vine once the roots were torn out in Berlin, Rome, and Tokyo. So too will the terrorists, once their sanctuaries and capital shrivel up — as is happening as we speak.

Since 1979 we have been caught in a classic bellum interuptum that could not be resolved through mediation and appeasement, but only — as we saw in 9/11 — made worse. Wars do not end with truces nor do they start because of accidents or miscommunications. They break out when one side has aggressive aims and advances grievances — whether real or perceived — and feels there is nothing to deter it. And conflicts end for good with either victory or defeat. Although we may not see it now, we really are in one war against one enemy — and since we started fighting it on September 12 we are, in fact, winning and will soon be nearing the end.

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Posted 22 February 2003 - 04:05 PM

There will be no backing down. There will be no compromise. We are at war with the Middle East. Not its people, mind you. We are at war with its despots.


Kissinger,

Can you clarify?

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Posted 22 February 2003 - 04:27 PM

I think I have clarified with all of the posts I have put up here.  Why should I have to clarify?  Do you ask people on the other side of the isle to clarify when they state they are in favor of peace for no reason?


Kissinger,

How about naming the names of the despots you are referring to?

BYW, I am against the concept of peace at all cost. I believe that there are times when there should be war. That is why I enlisted in the military service.

bob

Bob I am out the door, but will ds so later.

Edited by Kissinger, 22 February 2003 - 04:43 PM.


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Posted 22 February 2003 - 04:49 PM

Kissinger,

I don't know how the above post occurred unless we posted at the same exact time.

What I posted was:

I think I have clarified with all of the posts I have put up here.  Why should I have to clarify?  Do you ask people on the other side of the isle to clarify when they state they are in favor of peace for no reason?


Kissinger,

How about naming the names of the despots you are referring to?

BYW, I am against the concept of peace at all cost. I believe that there are times when there should be war. That is why I enlisted in the military service.

bob

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Posted 23 February 2003 - 12:17 AM

Yeah I noticed that things were messed up this morning.

Ok here are the leaders I am talking about and in this order.

Saddam Hussein--Iraq
Yasser Arafat-PLO
Bashar Assad--Syria (because Syria will be easier than Iran)
Mohammad Khatami--Iran (along with a number of Mullahs)
King Fahd Al Sa'ud (officially) Prince Abdullah (in reality)--Saudi Arabia
Muammar Qadhafi--Libya (spelling?)
Umar al-Bashir--Sudan (little shakey with a coup attempt in 99)
Hosni Mubarak--Egypt

Obviously the US has put a priority on Saddam. Following the removal of Saddam, Arafat is likely to go. Israel is probably just waiting for the right time.

Assad would be next because he would be isolated by the removal of Saddam and an easier target than Iran. For me, the verdict is still out on Assad. Obviously he is duplicitous, but I'm not sure who is leading who on here. I think Assad went to school for dentistry only to inherit the throne from his father. Many say that he is not as skilled of a leader as his father was. What I am not sure of is whether he encourages terrorism because he approves or because he is fearful of the power of Hezbollah. This grey area is indicative of the Middle East.

Iran is a difficult one. Many of the experts say that Iran may be one of the hardest countries in the world to decapitate. In Iraq we are hoping to isolate Saddam and cut him off from his support networks. In Iran we would have no such luck. The power relationships are ambigous at best, making decapitation/isolation impossible. We should start by initiating a preemptive strike on all of their nuclear facilities. What makes Iran so complicated is that Russia has a strategic interest in keeping Iran status quo. However, after we take out Syria, taking out Iran will become a necessity because their attempt to acquire a nuclear arsenal will be in high gear. The reactors that are being built currently, with the help of Russia, may become more of a crisis than North Korea in the coming year or so.

Saudi Arabia would come next (or maybe coincide) because once the dominoes start to fall the house of Saud will be looking to go nuclear. There is already a very real possibility of proliferation from Pakistan to Saudi Arabia because the Saudis have covertly funded a large portion of the Pakistani nuclear program.

Egypt is too far into the future to speculate. After all of the other big boys fall, Libya and Sudan will be mop up by comparison.

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Posted 23 February 2003 - 12:57 AM

Ok here are the leaders I am talking about and in this order.

Saddam Hussein--Iraq
Yasser Arafat-PLO


Kissinger,

Thanks for your listing.

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March 5, 1997: Carter and Yasser Arafat meet in Plains, Georgia.


I have little use for Jimmy Carter's philosphy of Peace through Weakness and Capitulation.


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Posted 23 February 2003 - 05:59 AM

What I find amazing in this article is that the most obvious example isn't even mentioned.

The recent Washington Sniper attacks were made by a couple of American Islamic Converts that claimed to be just such independent attackers. The claimed sympathy with al Qaeda and they weren't even brought up as examples for the article.

http://story.news.ya..._terrorists&e=5

Agencies Warn of Lone Terrorists
Sat Feb 22, 2:59 PM ET

By DAVID JOHNSTON and JAMES RISEN
The New York Times

WASHINGTON, Feb. 22 — The possibility of war with Iraq could unleash acts of anti-American violence in the United States or overseas by individual extremists who do not belong to Al Qaeda or other Middle Eastern terrorist groups but sympathize with their grievances, intelligence and law enforcement officials say.


A classified F.B.I. intelligence bulletin, issued on Wednesday to state and local law enforcement agencies throughout the country, warned the authorities to be on the alert for lone terrorists who are not directed by organizations like Al Qaeda.

"Lone extremists represent an ongoing terrorist threat in the United States," the bulletin said. "Lone extremists may operate independently or on the fringes of established extremist groups, either alone or with one or two accomplices."

Law enforcement and intelligence officials said in interviews in recent days that they believe the threat of such attacks by individual extremists is growing because of the possibility of an American-led war against Iraq.

The officials said a war would inflame anti-American sentiment throughout the Arab world, adding to a litany of causes that have stoked hatred of the United States. One of the main issues expressed by many Arabs is their belief that the United States has supported Israel in its effort to put down the Palestinian intifada, or uprising. And some people may decide to strike against American targets almost on the spur of the moment, officials warned.

Moreover, analysts regard the new taped message believed to be from Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) as a summons to his followers, and perhaps to new sympathizers, to conduct actions against the American targets in response to the possible war in Iraq.

Counterterrorism officials have long feared that a solitary terrorist with an automatic weapon or one committed to a suicide bombing could inflict heavy casualties in the United States.

The threat posed by what officials refer to as "lone wolves" who suddenly decide to act because of their increasingly radicalized views toward the United States is a major concern for American officials because their actions are difficult to predict or prevent.

"Many lone extremists have no links to conventional terrorist groups," the bulletin of the Federal Bureau of Investigation said. "In fact, F.B.I. analysis suggests that psychological abnormalities, as much as devotion to an ideology, drive lone extremists to commit violent acts."

As the Central Intelligence Agency (news - web sites) and the F.B.I. scramble to try to deal with intelligence suggesting that Al Qaeda hopes to launch another attack soon against the United States, the threat posed by individual extremists who may suddenly decide to attack Americans is a wild card facing counterterrorism officials.

Robert S. Mueller III, the bureau director, cited the threat of lone extremists in testimony last week to the Senate Intelligence and Armed Services Committees.

"The threat from single individuals sympathetic or affiliated with Al Qaeda, acting without external support or surrounding conspiracies, is increasing, in part because of heightened publicity surrounding recent events such as the October 2002 Washington area sniper attacks and the anthrax letter attacks," Mr. Mueller said.

One case cited in the F.B.I. bulletin was that of Hesham Mohamed Ali Hadayet, an Egyptian immigrant who fatally shot two people at El Al Airlines' ticket counter at Los Angeles International Airport in July 2002. While there are indications that Mr. Hadayet had connections to terrorists, the F.B.I. says it believes he acted alone.

American counterterrorism officials who have studied the nature of the threat from extremist Islamic terrorist groups said that they now realized they must distinguish between intricate plots that are carefully coordinated by groups like Al Qaeda and the less organized actions of individuals on the fringes of extremist movements.

The F.B.I. bulletin cited other examples of people who had engaged in the kind of violence that has worried counterterrorism officials. One was Timothy J. McVeigh, who was executed for the 1995 bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City. Mr. McVeigh began plotting the bombing after a Michigan militia group distanced itself from him because "it became apparent that his views were too radical," the bulletin said.

Another solitary extremist identified in the F.B.I. bulletin was Paul J. Hill, an anti-abortion militant who fatally shot an abortion doctor and his assistant in Pensacola, Fla., in 1994.

Lone extremists who belong to conventional terrorist groups may commit acts without the prior knowledge of the group's leadership, the bulletin said, adding:

"Even successful undercover penetration of such groups may not provide any advanced warning of planned attacks. However, often there are early warning signs concerning these individuals that could be useful to law enforcement. Many lone extremists, for example, have a history of functioning poorly within traditional communities, such as educational institutions, churches and places of employment."

Beyond fears about people loosely affiliated with Al Qaeda, counterterrorism officials have expressed concern that Middle Eastern terror groups like Hamas and Hezbollah could signal their followers to conduct independent terrorist actions in the event of an American-led invasion of Iraq, a senior government official said.

In his Senate testimony last week, Mr. Mueller said that Hamas and Hezbollah had the resources in the United States to launch terrorist attacks, but added that neither group "appears to have sufficient incentive to abandon their current fund-raising and recruitment activities in the U.S. in favor of violence."

But Mr. Mueller warned that each group could "in short order develop the capability to launch attacks should international developments or other circumstances prompt them to undertake such actions."

As a result, federal authorities have intensified their efforts to keep track of these groups in the United States, along with individuals associated with them, particularly people on the periphery who are believed to be capable of violence.

Investigators have intensified their use of covert monitoring using national security warrants and have questioned a few people who they believe might engage in violence, a precautionary step that in effect warns interview subjects that their activities may be under scrutiny.

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Posted 23 February 2003 - 07:25 AM

Same basic article with a different take on the domestic terrorism threat. And again no mention of the obvious, though an attempt to link in Ecoterrorism and Animal Rights groups.

FBI Changes Thwart Domestic Terrorism
Sat Feb 22, 6:30 PM ET
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By CURT ANDERSON, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - From Ku Klux Klan members to Jewish militants, federal prosecutors have thwarted several would-be domestic terrorists in recent months, using FBI led task forces whose primary duty is stopping al-Qaida and other international groups.

Since the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, the FBI has doubled to 66 the number of joint terrorism task forces. Federal, state and local law enforcement agencies work closely together, sharing intelligence, informants and evidence — a far cry from the police turf battles of years past.

Preventing attacks by foreign organizations is the top priority of the task forces but they also work on homegrown cases.

Attorney General John Ashcroft said the Justice Department is "committed to investigating, prosecuting, punishing, and most of all preventing, criminal acts of violence and vigilantism motivated by hate and intolerance."

The FBI task forces have stopped a Pennsylvania KKK leader who allegedly sought to set off grenades at abortion clinics, and a militant Jew who wanted to bomb a Southern California mosque and the offices of Lebanese-American Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif.

The task forces helped send to prison a white supremacist who plotted to blow up black and Jewish landmarks in Boston and Washington. They were integral in the Jan. 8 arrest in Chicago of Matt Hale, leader of the white supremacist group World Church of the Creator, on charges of trying to have a federal judge killed.

In the Pennsylvania case, U.S. Attorney Mary Beth Buchanan said the arrest of David Wayne Hull of Amwell Township last week on weapons and explosives charges stemmed from cooperation between terrorist task forces in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, ultimately involving officials in four states.

The government says Hull, 40, who calls himself the imperial wizard of the White Knights of the KKK, was testing bombs at his farm and tried to buy grenades to attack abortion clinics.

"Law enforcement agencies are reluctant to share information if they don't know each other and trust each other," Buchanan said. "It was through this information sharing that we were able to put the pieces together."

Intelligence officials say al-Qaida remains the primary threat for another major attack on U.S. soil, but they point out that even a single individual can wreak mayhem.

An FBI bulletin sent last week to 18,000 law enforcement agencies cites as examples Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh and Hesham Mohammed Ali Hadayet, who fatally shot two people at a Los Angeles International Airport ticket counter in July 2002.

"Lone extremists may operate independently or on the fringes of established extremist groups, either alone or with one or two accomplices," the FBI bulletin says. They often "have a history of functioning poorly within traditional communities, such as educational institutions, churches and places of employment."

One plot thwarted last year led to the conviction of Leo Felton, 31. He was sentenced to more than 21 years in prison on charges related to a plot to bomb black and Jewish sites in Boston and Washington. Prosecutors said Felton, son of a black father and white mother, blamed his parents for "contaminating" him with black blood, and was a member of a white supremacy group.

Podiatrist Robert Goldstein and his wife, Kristi, are accused of planning to blow up an Islamic education center in St. Petersburg, Fla. Goldstein, who is Jewish, is described in court documents as seeking to retaliate for Sept. 11 and the continuing Arab-Israeli confrontation.

In the Goldsteins' home, authorities found explosives, bomb-making materials, bulletproof vests, 25,000 rounds of ammunition and a typed list of 50 Islamic worship centers in the Tampa Bay, Fla., area.

"We're certainly more focused on acts of international terrorism because of the huge losses that can be sustained," said Buchanan, the federal prosecutor in Pennsylvania. "But domestic terrorism can be devastating as well. We are continuing to deal with both."

Numerous homegrown terrorist organizations command FBI attention, from the KKK and neo-Nazi groups on one hand to anarchic environmentalists and animal liberation groups on the other.

Of recent concern have been groups that place metal spikes in trees out West to damage logging equipment, or burn sport-utility vehicles at dealerships to protest excess pollution and gas consumption.

Although there have been no deaths and few injuries attributed to radical environmental or animal groups, FBI officials say the levels of destruction are increasing and the violent rhetoric is escalating.

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Posted 23 February 2003 - 07:36 AM

Well I guess I should add this one too. By the end you may all note that the destruct of Iraqs illegal missiles may be a demonstrable test that Inspector Blix is iposing on the country. It is coming down to who will blink first.

Fischer: War may boost terrorists
Saturday, February 22, 2003 Posted: 1354 GMT
http://europe.cnn.co...reut/index.html

BERLIN, Germany (Reuters) -- German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer has warned that a war to disarm Iraq could strengthen the hand of "international terrorism" and cause Middle East turmoil that could also threaten Europe.

In a speech in Berlin, where he also called on Iraqi President Saddam Hussein to cooperate fully with U.N. arms inspectors, Fischer said Germany remained opposed to a war while the inspectors were making progress towards disarming Iraq.

"The central question is: 'Will international terrorism be weakened or unintentionally strengthened through a military strike?'," Fischer told a meeting of his Greens party in Berlin on Saturday.

He added: "And what does that mean for not only the stability of the region as well as our security? That's why I'm convinced that war is only the very last resort, and not the next resort.

"My fear is that we are going in the wrong direction.

"I fear that we will have an enormous problem with international terrorism and that's why I'm of the opinion that we need to continue working with non-military means."

Germany, which is on the U.N. Security Council but does not wield a veto, has been one of the leading opponents of a U.S.-led war in Iraq.

Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder has said Germany would not under any circumstances vote to support a U.N. war resolution.

Fischer said U.N. inspectors were working in Iraq more effectively than ever before and that there was no reason to interrupt those efforts with a military strike to force Baghdad to disarm as the Security Council has demanded.

"We want a system of disarmament, but one that is based on non-military intervention," he said.

"We don't want a war of disarmament because I don't think that will solve the problems."

British Foreign Minister Jack Straw, meanwhile, brushed aside those reservations in a contribution for Focus magazine on Saturday.

"The inspectors have received more time, but they are not a detective agency," Straw said.

"It's absurd to believe 300 or 3,000 inspectors could search a country the size of France and detect substances that could be produced in a living room."

U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell also said in an interview with Bild newspaper the inspectors are not detectives.

"The United States doesn't want war," Powell said. "A war can easily be avoided: Iraq must disarm."

Speaking a week after some 500,000 people took part in the largest peace rally in post-war German history, Fischer said it was vital a joint solution with the U.S. government be found.

"The regime in Baghdad has to know that it is of decisive importance they meet all the demands of the inspectors as quickly as possible," Fischer said.

"And that also includes what Hans Blix has now written in this last letter."

Blix, the chief U.N. arms inspector, ordered Baghdad to start destroying within a week all its liquid-fuelled Al-Samoud 2 missiles because their range exceeded U.N. limits.

The March 1 deadline was a blow for Baghdad. If Iraq does not destroy the missiles, the United States and Britain will argue that war is justified for openly defying a U.N. order.

"It has to be understood in Baghdad that the only way to ensure the option of a peaceful solution is to completely fulfil the U.N. Security Council resolutions and the accompanying demands of the inspectors."

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Posted 23 February 2003 - 01:08 PM

Lazarus Long,

While at it, can you explain why the US has yet to effectively secure boarders?

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Posted 23 February 2003 - 07:53 PM

Lazarus Long,

While at it, can you explain why the US has yet to effectively secure boarders?

bob


Because the cost of the operational infrustructure required to maintain Hegemony and Empire predetermines that ALL ROADS LEAD TO ROME.

Close the roads and the systems dies. It is the economy that needs the open borders, and it needs it the way SUV's need Oil and crack heads need a fix.

Close the borders and the enemy wins because we retreat into a seige mentality, embrace the world to maintain what we have and we must adapt to meet this level of integration.

Even to protect the Republic against the trends we face we must also face this dilemma. We already have interdependent economies with our hegemony in Latin America and can no longer turn back the Monroe Doctrine. We can however go forward. To quote a specific author I am quite fond of, "The Roads Must Roll"!

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Posted 23 February 2003 - 08:27 PM

Another issue that is overlooked is that this administration was about to create an amnesty for "undocumented aliens prior to 9/11.

The Conservatives should do a little soul searching on this issue and ponder the basics for why the same groups that they have put in charge of the borders are the groups tha thave the most to gain by introducing cheap labor into our domestic economy, but also need to do it to salvage Social Security over the next two decades.

Strategically it may be necessary to "Legalize" all "Undocumenteds" immediately. This would force them all to come forward to recieve clear rewards for their "crime" but make it much easier to arrest and jail all who don't cooperate in this eforty after the amnesty period was over by the defacto creation of a true "Citizen/Resident Alien Database".

The only problem is that the first time the Administration used this tactic in recent weeks they exposed themselves as entirely duplicitous and now the subterrainian community is terrified of coming forward. The vast majority of underground labor are innocents as terrorists but there is where many of the alledged "Sleepers" lie in wait.

In order to catch a few minor operatives they compromised a larger and more important strategic objective that might have offered some security. This is analogous to how the LBJ Adminstration allowed Domestic and International Political concerns to compromise Strategic Military Objectives.

The second aspect of Border Security is that BOTH Canada and Mexico must be in accord or it will fail. Even our Airports and Territorial Areas like Guam and Puerto Rico come under scrutiny as leaking access. But it should not be overlooked THAT ALL THE TERRORISTS INVOLVED IN 9/11 WERE HERE LEGALLY!!!!!!!!

This is THE test of whether or not the Hegemonic Character of our mutually interdependent Economies are going to resolve into a coherent operating system or begin the process of crumbling self destruction .

Militarilly the test is beginning as we speak in Columbia, but if you haven't noticed this Adminstration's Operatives are getting arrested in Venezuela. Our Home Front isn't anywhere as Secure as people are being lead to believe and Duct Tape isn't going to be any more effective then it is on windows in a Category Five Hurricane.




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