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[Vgamer1]

This question is meant for Elijah3 to answer and Elijah3 only. Although anyone is welcome to post in this thread and discuss the topic. Also if anyone else claims to be Elijah they can post their answer to the question as well. Elijah3 is the first and only person I have known to want to claim the office of Elijah. He did so in this thread: http://www.imminst.o...showtopic=26262

I would like to lay claim to the office, but nobody is likely to recognize me an old, broke, ex-convict anyway. I guess I'm just a wannabe.

This thread is mainly in light of Passover. Passover is a Jewish holiday that celebrates the Exodus from Egypt. On Passover Jews ceremonially pour a glass of wine and leave the door open for Elijah's coming. Elijah is supposed to announce the coming of the Messiah.

So Elijah3, can you put your money where you mouth is? I'm being completely serious here. Is the Messianic Age near? Is the Messiah coming? Would it be your job to actually name the Messiah? Educate me on what your purpose as Elijah would be and what would have to be true for you to be him, or for anyone else to be him (or her) for that matter.

[forever freedom]

I would comply to what you asked and not make a post that doesn't concern this matter, but i got this question that's killing me: why do you care so much about what he thinks, being as lunatic as he is?

[TianZi]

I am an agnostic who believes it a waste of time worrying about the intrinsic truth / falsehood of any religion. With that said, I don't think this child board, which is devoted to discussions on the topic, should be used to mock those with strong religious beliefs.

[Connor MacLeod]

I would comply to what you asked and not make a post that doesn't concern this matter, but i got this question that's killing me: why do you care so much about what he thinks, being as lunatic as he is?

I don't agree with Elijah3 on a number of matters, but I think he's probably a good deal more sane than many here on imminst.

[forever freedom]

I would comply to what you asked and not make a post that doesn't concern this matter, but i got this question that's killing me: why do you care so much about what he thinks, being as lunatic as he is?

I don't agree with Elijah3 on a number of matters, but I think he's probably a good deal more sane than many here on imminst.

...which is not much of a compliment considering many members here.

[Vgamer1]

The idea of a Messiah is not necessarily a religious one. It's just the name that has religious connotations. I am not a very religious person. I'm a reform Jew. You don't have to be religious to believe that the end of war and the beginning of a golden age is possibly in humanity's future. I think it is possible.

The reason why I'm asking Elijah3 is because he also believes this is possible. I'm curious to know more about his view on the topic.

[forever freedom]

The idea of a Messiah is not necessarily a religious one. It's just the name that has religious connotations. I am not a very religious person. I'm a reform Jew. You don't have to be religious to believe that the end of war and the beginning of a golden age is possibly in humanity's future. I think it is possible.

The reason why I'm asking Elijah3 is because he also believes this is possible. I'm curious to know more about his view on the topic.

Ah i didn't know you were religious too. This explains it.

[Luna]

The idea of a Messiah is not necessarily a religious one. It's just the name that has religious connotations. I am not a very religious person. I'm a reform Jew. You don't have to be religious to believe that the end of war and the beginning of a golden age is possibly in humanity's future. I think it is possible.

The reason why I'm asking Elijah3 is because he also believes this is possible. I'm curious to know more about his view on the topic.

Ah i didn't know you were religious too. This explains it.

And even if he is! it doesn't make him any less than anyone around here

[forever freedom]

The idea of a Messiah is not necessarily a religious one. It's just the name that has religious connotations. I am not a very religious person. I'm a reform Jew. You don't have to be religious to believe that the end of war and the beginning of a golden age is possibly in humanity's future. I think it is possible.

The reason why I'm asking Elijah3 is because he also believes this is possible. I'm curious to know more about his view on the topic.

Ah i didn't know you were religious too. This explains it.

And even if he is! it doesn't make him any less than anyone around here

I didn't say it did (now i'm saying it: it probably does in some way). I just said that it explained my previous question.

[Vgamer1]

Ah i didn't know you were religious too. This explains it.

I'm really not religious though. I'm a reform Jew, which is the least religious sect of Judaism. On top of that, I'm barely observant. I do however, believe in a fundamental Jewish idea, which is that we are always working towards making the world a better place and preparing it for the coming of the Messiah. Once again, you don't have to take the "Messiah" thing literally to mean that a single person will come and make peace on Earth. I see it as more symbolic. That we're working towards a higher goal to end war and suffering. I just wanted to get a Christian perspective on the issue. I believe the Messianic age requires people to understand each other.

Like I said, the idea of a Messiah does not have to be a religious one, it's just generally thought of that way. You don't have to be religious to think peace on Earth is possible.

[william7]

Sorry for the delay! I'm going to try and respond to this in the future. I'm currently working two jobs. Believe it or not, I'm employed.

[Vgamer1]

I look forward to it.

[Loot Perish]

I am here right now, here in the name of Jesus, by the power of the Holy Spirit

[Ben Simon]

The idea of a Messiah is not necessarily a religious one. It's just the name that has religious connotations. I am not a very religious person. I'm a reform Jew. You don't have to be religious to believe that the end of war and the beginning of a golden age is possibly in humanity's future. I think it is possible.

The reason why I'm asking Elijah3 is because he also believes this is possible. I'm curious to know more about his view on the topic.

Ah i didn't know you were religious too. This explains it.

And even if he is! it doesn't make him any less than anyone around here

I didn't say it did (now i'm saying it: it probably does in some way). I just said that it explained my previous question.

I know right? Thomas Aquinas. What a lightweight.

[Imminst = pro murder (omega)]

Ah i didn't know you were religious too. This explains it.

I'm really not religious though. I'm a reform Jew, which is the least religious sect of Judaism. On top of that, I'm barely observant. I do however, believe in a fundamental Jewish idea, which is that we are always working towards making the world a better place and preparing it for the coming of the Messiah. Once again, you don't have to take the "Messiah" thing literally to mean that a single person will come and make peace on Earth. I see it as more symbolic. That we're working towards a higher goal to end war and suffering. I just wanted to get a Christian perspective on the issue. I believe the Messianic age requires people to understand each other.

Like I said, the idea of a Messiah does not have to be a religious one, it's just generally thought of that way. You don't have to be religious to think peace on Earth is possible.

My ma passed away in January. Last time I saw her me and my older sister got into a spat. She's basically a Dawkins' social Darwinism adherent. My ma silenced the heated discussion by wondering out loud if I might be the new messiah. In a sense, as you describe it here, I might be.

I had a Jewish buddy and we did a lot together, both of us being computer techs., but he went over to the dark side, the "might makes right" side of Zionism. I find that simply nonsensical in a totally sociopathic way. Though I don't recall the exact term for it, at one time I did learn of a following of Zionism that denounced what is being done in that name and appeared pretty reasonable, but alas, the ruthless appear to rise to positions of authority. These things we call religions often are just Trojan horse "coercions," basically gangs who take anarchy principles to heart. Under a paradigm of nothing really matters, claims of religious righteousness, enlightened perspective, are often made in the name of anyone and anything with no logic nor compassion. Jesus is pretty much dragged around like some kind of license to sin as is the Buddha, Mohammed, Darwin, any notable figure or concept is cited as justification for coercion. Immortality anyone?

[imarobot]

The idea of a Messiah is not necessarily a religious one. It's just the name that has religious connotations. I am not a very religious person. I'm a reform Jew. You don't have to be religious to believe that the end of war and the beginning of a golden age is possibly in humanity's future. I think it is possible.

The idea of a Messiah is very much a religious idea. That the Messiah has goals which, when removed from their religious context, are secular is also true of most religious ideas: remove the religion and you are left with something similar but secular. This doesn't make the Messiah non-religious. The addition of religious belief to a set of secular ideas purposely makes it religious.

In other words, peace = non-religious. Messiah = religious. Peace + Messiah = religious.

Also, unleavened bread = non-religious. Body of Christ = religious. Unleavened bread + body of Christ = religious.

Edited by imarobot, 22 May 2009 - 03:49 PM.

[william7]

Elijah3 is the first and only person I have known to want to claim the office of Elijah

There's been a number of others who've claimed the office of Elijah. I think I probably made a mistake by choosing the name elijah3 and I've been strongly considering changing it. My apologies if I offended anyone. In the past, I've been challenged in other threads on whether I was Elijah, but have either evaded the question or denied it. This is not to say that God might not pour out His spirit on me and provide me with just the right knowledge to turn the hearts of the children to their fathers and "restore all things" as promised. Malachi 4:5,6; Matthew 17:10-13; 19:28; Luke 1:5-17; Acts 3:19-21.

On Passover Jews ceremonially pour a glass of wine and leave the door open for Elijah's coming. Elijah is supposed to announce the coming of the Messiah.

Even though the small group I observe the holy days with are not Jewish, but instead believe in both the Old and New Testaments, we also set out a place for Elijah when we observe the Passover. When we celebrated Passover this year, I did not sit at the place designated for Elijah nor have I sat in his place in past years.

Is the Messianic Age near?

Yes, the time is near as it has always been if you have ears to hear and eyes to see. Revelation 1:3. However, it's my belief that the United States must first lose it's superpower status and Europe rise up to take its place before the Messiah can return. The European superpower will be the prophesied "Babylon the great." The United Church of God and others teach this and I believe they're absolutely correct on this point. See, for example, http://www.gnmagazin...rist-return.htm.

Educate me on what your purpose as Elijah would be and what would have to be true for you to be him, or for anyone else to be him (or her) for that matter.

When Elijah comes I think he'll show us how to properly restore the true practices of the early Christian Church mentioned in the book of Acts at just the right time in history when it can take hold, prosper, and become the new way of life that will bring the longevity promised in Isaiah 65:20-25 to occur during the Millennium. I believe the whole Bible from front to back is God's instruction manual on how we must live on earth in order to attain immortality with the conquering of death and suffering to occur after the Millennium when the Father makes His home with men on earth. Revelation 21:1-4. During the Millennium, science and technology should flower and become a mighty tool in hands of men for the common good of all.

Sorry for the delay on this. I got distracted and was unable to think of an answer.