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#1 malbecman

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Posted 22 April 2009 - 11:33 PM


So I've been doing a bit of reading in Pubmed about Arginine therapy/supplementation and its various drawbacks, esp. for long term administration. It really looks like it does not work. Citrulline, a pre-cursor to Arginine, looks very promising without
any (?) of the drawbacks. Anyone have any experience or words of wisdom to share? I've pasted a few abstracts below. Thanks,

-Malbec



Cardiovasc Drug Rev. 2006 Fall-Winter;24(3-4):275-90.Click here to read Links
Therapeutic use of citrulline in cardiovascular disease.
L-citrulline is the natural precursor of L-arginine, substrate for nitric oxide synthase (NOS) in the production of NO. Supplemental administration L-arginine has been shown to be effective in improving NO production and cardiovascular function in cardiovascular diseases associated with endothelial dysfunction, such as hypertension, heart failure, atherosclerosis, diabetic vascular disease and ischemia-reperfusion injury, but the beneficial actions do not endure with chronic therapy. Substantial intestinal and hepatic metabolism of L-arginine to ornithine and urea by arginase makes oral delivery very ineffective. Additionally, all of these disease states as well as supplemental L-arginine enhance arginase expression and activity, thus reducing the effectiveness of L-arginine therapy. In contrast, L-citrulline is not metabolized in the intestine or liver and does not induce tissue arginase, but rather inhibits its activity. L-citrulline entering the kidney, vascular endothelium and other tissues can be readily converted to L-arginine, thus raising plasma and tissue levels of L-arginine and enhancing NO production. Supplemental L-citrulline has promise as a therapeutic adjunct in disease states associated with L-arginine deficiencies.
PMID: 17214603


A study in humans has shown that oral administration of L-citrulline at 3.8 g/m2 body
surface, resulted in a 227% peak increase in plasma L-arginine levels at 4 h, compared
with a 90% peak increase with the same dose of L-arginine (43). Furthermore, the area
under the curve plot of L-arginine plasma concentration vs. time was 3 fold larger for L-
citrulline, and the elevation in L-arginine levels was more persistent following L-citrulline
administration. Thus, acute oral administration of L-citrulline appears to be considerably
more efficient raising plasma levels of L-arginine than L-arginine itself. Additionally, a
recent study in children and young adults showed that five oral doses of L-citrulline every
12 hours (1.9 g/m2/dose) for a total dose of 9.5 g/m2 resulted in 57 and 85% increases in
mean plasma levels of L-arginine and L-citrulline, respectively (78).

(Lost the reference to this one, sorry, I'll check it again).



and:

Br J Nutr. 2008 Apr;99(4):855-62. Epub 2007 Oct 22.Click here to read Links
Dose-ranging effects of citrulline administration on plasma amino acids and hormonal patterns in healthy subjects: the Citrudose pharmacokinetic study.

Previous experimental studies have highlighted that citrulline (CIT) could be a promising pharmaconutrient. However, its pharmacokinetic characteristics and tolerance to loading have not been studied to date. The objective was to characterise the plasma kinetics of CIT in a multiple-dosing study design and to assess the effect of CIT intake on the concentrations of other plasma amino acids (AA). The effects of CIT loading on anabolic hormones were also determined. Eight fasting healthy males underwent four separate oral loading tests (2, 5, 10 or 15 g CIT) in random order. Blood was drawn ten times over an 8 h period for measurement of plasma AA, insulin and growth hormone (Gh). Urine samples were collected before CIT administration and over the next 24 h. None of the subjects experienced side effects whatever the CIT dose. Concerning AA, only CIT, ornithine (ORN) and arginine (ARG) plasma concentrations were affected (maximum concentration 146 (sem 8) to 303 (sem 11) micromol/l (ARG) and 81 (sem 4) to 179 (sem 10) micromol/l (ORN); time to reach maximum concentration 1.17 (sem 0.26) to 2.29 (sem 0.20) h (ARG) and 1.38 (sem 0.25) to 1.79 (sem 0.11) h (ORN) according to CIT dose). Even at high doses, urinary excretion of CIT remained low ( < 5 %). Plasma insulin and Gh were not affected by CIT administration. Short-term CIT administration is safe and well-tolerated. CIT is a potent precursor of ARG. However, at the highest doses, CIT accumulated in plasma while plasma ARG levels increased less than expected. This may be due to saturation of the renal conversion of CIT into ARG.

PMID: 17953788

#2 renwosing

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 01:01 AM

Watermelons has citrulline.

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 03:48 PM

Watermelons has citrulline.

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does anybody know

1. any supplement that indirectly boosts citrulline production or arginine production (e.g. some arginase inhibitor)

2. any other foods that are rich in citrulline

3. whether magnesium citrate increases citrulline in the body?

#4 malbecman

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 04:07 PM

Yes, I know it is found in the rind of watermelon but its at pretty low concentrations. These studies are discussing talking 5-10 grams per day (which is on the order of Arginine supplementation/therapy). I cant imagine how much watermelon rind that
would take to achieve...... ;)



Watermelons has citrulline.

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#5 sdxl

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 05:03 PM

does anybody know

1. any supplement that indirectly boosts citrulline production or arginine production (e.g. some arginase inhibitor)

Norvaline is often mentioned as arginase inhibitor.

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 05:08 PM

I used to take citrulline as part of a pre-workout drink to increase blood flow to my muscles, giving me that increased "pump" from lifting weights. It worked well for me, much like l-arginine, though the effects seemed to diminish slightly more rapidly. Whereas arginine would work for a few months before I would have to cycle off of it, citrulline only seemed to work for a few weeks. Of course, take a couple weeks off and it works well again. Exercise is the only reason I ever used it, though.

#7 renwosing

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 05:16 PM

Malbecman,

Correction there. Citrulline is found both in the rind and the flesh.

Well, it depends on your body mass.

You will probably be better off taking viagra?

http://www.cbsnews.c...in4227219.shtml

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#8 malbecman

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Posted 23 April 2009 - 06:36 PM

Oh, that's a good one, I hadn't seen that. Watermelon-Viagra. ;) But it does sounds like it would take a lot of watermelon (at least you would get a good shot of Lycopene as well).

Quote from the CBSNews story "In a study published in 2007 in Nutrition, he says, volunteers who drank three 8-ounce glasses of watermelon juice daily for three weeks boosted their arginine levels by 11%."



Malbecman,

Correction there. Citrulline is found both in the rind and the flesh.

Well, it depends on your body mass.

You will probably be better off taking viagra?

http://www.cbsnews.c...in4227219.shtml

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#9 everythingeverything

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 05:06 PM

Is there a consensus at this point that citrulline is more effective than arginine at boosting nitric oxide?

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 05:42 PM

Citrulline works very well in the short term but longer term your body adapts and stops creating NO from the arginine. Someone posted a study supporting this (which I cannot find). It has been my personal experience as well.

Edited by health_nutty, 19 November 2009 - 05:42 PM.


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Posted 19 November 2009 - 05:45 PM

Citrulline works very well in the short term but longer term your body adapts and stops creating NO from the arginine. Someone posted a study supporting this (which I cannot find). It has been my personal experience as well.



Can you point me toward the study? If this is true, for those wanting to boost NO, would it then to most effective to cycle citrulline.

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 06:04 PM

Citrulline works very well in the short term but longer term your body adapts and stops creating NO from the arginine. Someone posted a study supporting this (which I cannot find). It has been my personal experience as well.



Can you point me toward the study? If this is true, for those wanting to boost NO, would it then to most effective to cycle citrulline.


Sorry, I tried and I cannot find it.

#13 malbecman

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 10:12 PM

Citrulline works very well in the short term but longer term your body adapts and stops creating NO from the arginine. Someone posted a study supporting this (which I cannot find). It has been my personal experience as well.



I always thought the problem was with chronic arginine admininstration showing eventual decrease in raised NO levels like in this study:

Cardiovasc Drug Rev. 2006 Fall-Winter;24(3-4):275-90.
Therapeutic use of citrulline in cardiovascular disease.
Romero MJ, Platt DH, Caldwell RB, Caldwell RW.
Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology, Medical College of Georgia, Augusta GA, USA.

L-citrulline is the natural precursor of L-arginine, substrate for nitric oxide synthase (NOS) in the production of NO. Supplemental administration L-arginine has been shown to be effective in improving NO production and cardiovascular function in cardiovascular diseases associated with endothelial dysfunction, such as hypertension, heart failure, atherosclerosis, diabetic vascular disease and ischemia-reperfusion injury, but the beneficial actions do not endure with chronic therapy. Substantial intestinal and hepatic metabolism of L-arginine to ornithine and urea by arginase makes oral delivery very ineffective. Additionally, all of these disease states as well as supplemental L-arginine enhance arginase expression and activity, thus reducing the effectiveness of L-arginine therapy. In contrast, L-citrulline is not metabolized in the intestine or liver and does not induce tissue arginase, but rather inhibits its activity. L-citrulline entering the kidney, vascular endothelium and other tissues can be readily converted to L-arginine, thus raising plasma and tissue levels of L-arginine and enhancing NO production. Supplemental L-citrulline has promise as a therapeutic adjunct in disease states associated with L-arginine deficiencies.
PMID: 17214603

Citrulline seemed more promising (just like they said way back in 2006) since it didn't show this decrease w/ chronic admin. But I can't seem to find *any* literature that shows it either way.......

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#14 health_nutty

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Posted 19 November 2009 - 11:18 PM

Citrulline works very well in the short term but longer term your body adapts and stops creating NO from the arginine. Someone posted a study supporting this (which I cannot find). It has been my personal experience as well.


Citrulline seemed more promising (just like they said way back in 2006) since it didn't show this decrease w/ chronic admin. But I can't seem to find *any* literature that shows it either way.......


From personal experience, the citrulline seems to decrease effectiveness with chronic administration. I remember reading the study and thinking, yep that is exactly what is happpening.




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