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#31 niner

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 05:12 PM

Niner, the changes society will have to face with the advent of a economy of abundance far outstrips the changes faced by immortality. The fact that AI and robots will in the not to distant future replace most of humanity in the work force will cause for more changes than immortality. The changes of human augmentation will by far change society more than immortality will.

The opposition to curing aging are going to be lost amid the rest of the social upheaval all of that will bring.

That's a very good point. We are in for a weird future. The thing that still concerns me is that the R&D that will lead to an economy of abundance is already well underway. The R&D needed to cure aging is in its infancy. We need to convince people to spend that money now, well before the economy of abundance materializes. In order to convince them to spend the money, I think we need to be able to address their concerns.

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#32 Mind

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 05:33 PM

When thinking about a potential future era of abundance, be sure to remember that there are people suffering and dying right now. Money for biological regenerative techniques is needed right now if we are to begin alleviating suffering right now.

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 09:05 PM

I love that all the work will be going into the public domain!! Patents are one of the primary reasons healthcare costs are so high, yet this fact usually goes unspoken.


The real problem is the friction that the current intellectual property regime puts into the system. When you're dealing with a better computer chip, IP issues are not such a big deal, but when you are dealing with someone's health and survival, any delay can be deadly. What needs to be developed is a system where the biggest payoff is for achieving the ultimate award and there are actually incentives for sharing and cooperation. Such incentives could take different forms other than monetary. Anyhow.. the system as it sits is not appropriate for maximum acceleration of development of therapies and we need to work with the best experts in those fields on strategies to create one that will. If the public ask for it, it will happen.

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Posted 16 September 2009 - 10:57 PM

I love that all the work will be going into the public domain!! Patents are one of the primary reasons healthcare costs are so high, yet this fact usually goes unspoken.


The real problem is the friction that the current intellectual property regime puts into the system. When you're dealing with a better computer chip, IP issues are not such a big deal, but when you are dealing with someone's health and survival, any delay can be deadly. What needs to be developed is a system where the biggest payoff is for achieving the ultimate award and there are actually incentives for sharing and cooperation. Such incentives could take different forms other than monetary. Anyhow.. the system as it sits is not appropriate for maximum acceleration of development of therapies and we need to work with the best experts in those fields on strategies to create one that will. If the public ask for it, it will happen.


I quite agree. The current IP system was designed in the early Industrial Revolution and was designed to give Monopolies control over product production exclusively for such a long period of time that either the product would have become obsolete by the time the patent expired, or so that the single company had such a massive competing edge that no one would be able to catch up. It also allowed companies to sit on inventions which could have out competed their existing products. If you wonder around the net, you'll find all sorts of evidence for inventions that got bought up and set on by different large corporations. I once submitted an idea to SONY for using micropower impulse radar for a sensor device to enable cheap VR body tracking, and even though they rejected the idea, I was told that they now had the rights to it and I couldn't submit it to any other company. It's my idea, not SONYs, so what right do they have to tell me who I can tell it to?

IP rights are a dinosaur that needs to be made extinct. A new system designed for the digital age needs to be implemented. I have no idea for what that system should be, but the current system is meant for an era of monopolies that we supposedly decided were bad for the free market decades ago, and yet the tools that allow monopolies to exist are still in force.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 06:44 PM

Another org bites the dust?

I tried to email Barbara Logan of LifeStar recently to see how things are going. The email bounced. It looks like the website has not been updated in over a year. I wonder if they are still doing/funding things from behind the scenes. Does anyone know? LifeStar potentially had access to millions of dollars. It would be a shame if it was not spent on something useful.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 11:46 PM

Hi Mind,
Another org goes into hibernation due to lack of funding. LifeStar began just before the bottom fell out of the economy. Unfortunately, our benefactor and my co-founder who remains dedicated to the cause, is no longer in a financial position to take on the challenge. We managed to accomplish the amazing feat of having Aubrey de Grey and George Martin as co-authors of a paper written in large part by Michael Rae of SENS Foundation but our plans were thwarted by the all to prevalent loss of capital it has not been recovered. At this point, the organization is not dead, but it is on life support. It is my wish that it will someday emerge again and we will be able to use it as a vehicle for our mutual ambitions for conquering the scourge of involuntary death.
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