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[FigliodelVento]

Hello, I use sunscreen a few Year, but, generally sunscreen that offer a strong protection for Uva ray ( ppd 20-30) are whitening , or very very shining.
Just Anthelios w gel spf 40 PPD 19 are invisible to first application, but second application is white.
Do you Know a very very light sunscreen invisible with PPD 20 minimum?
I tried every line of : BIoderma, Anthelios, Avenè, Roc, Galenic, Ducray, Klorane, Uriage, some vichy.
Usa sunscreen : Elta Md, Paula Begoun, Skinmedica.
Japan sunscreen : Shiseido Annessa, Fancl, dr:c:Labo, Sofina.
For shining effect I haven't problem I use OC eight gel for mat effect or a Blot powder MAC, that are compatible with all chemical filter.
Thank You.

[GoodFellas]

Hello, I use sunscreen a few Year, but, generally sunscreen that offer a strong protection for Uva ray ( ppd 20-30) are whitening , or very very shining.
Just Anthelios w gel spf 40 PPD 19 are invisible to first application, but second application is white.
Do you Know a very very light sunscreen invisible with PPD 20 minimum?
I tried every line of : BIoderma, Anthelios, Avenè, Roc, Galenic, Ducray, Klorane, Uriage, some vichy.
Usa sunscreen : Elta Md, Paula Begoun, Skinmedica.
Japan sunscreen : Shiseido Annessa, Fancl, dr:c:Labo, Sofina.
For shining effect I haven't problem I use OC eight gel for mat effect or a Blot powder MAC, that are compatible with all chemical filter.
Thank You.

I'm not Eva, but

Neutrogena Age Shield SPF 90 with Helioplex is the best alternative;D

Helioplex is a better alternative than the usual Mexoryl.


http://www.futureder...-every-purpose/

[nancyd]

Hello, I use sunscreen a few Year, but, generally sunscreen that offer a strong protection for Uva ray ( ppd 20-30) are whitening , or very very shining.
Just Anthelios w gel spf 40 PPD 19 are invisible to first application, but second application is white.
Do you Know a very very light sunscreen invisible with PPD 20 minimum?
I tried every line of : BIoderma, Anthelios, Avenè, Roc, Galenic, Ducray, Klorane, Uriage, some vichy.
Usa sunscreen : Elta Md, Paula Begoun, Skinmedica.
Japan sunscreen : Shiseido Annessa, Fancl, dr:c:Labo, Sofina.
For shining effect I haven't problem I use OC eight gel for mat effect or a Blot powder MAC, that are compatible with all chemical filter.
Thank You.

I'm not Eva, but

Neutrogena Age Shield SPF 90 with Helioplex is the best alternative;D

Helioplex is a better alternative than the usual Mexoryl.


http://www.futureder...-every-purpose/

It says helioplex is more photostable but I wonder if it blocks as many long range UVA rays. So far tinsorb M is the best for blocking those kind. Mexoryl falls slightly short of blocking the longest range of UVA rays. However I thought it was better at this than helioplex.

Edited by nancyd, 10 May 2009 - 09:41 PM.

[immortali457]

Hello, I use sunscreen a few Year, but, generally sunscreen that offer a strong protection for Uva ray ( ppd 20-30) are whitening , or very very shining.
Just Anthelios w gel spf 40 PPD 19 are invisible to first application, but second application is white.
Do you Know a very very light sunscreen invisible with PPD 20 minimum?
I tried every line of : BIoderma, Anthelios, Avenè, Roc, Galenic, Ducray, Klorane, Uriage, some vichy.
Usa sunscreen : Elta Md, Paula Begoun, Skinmedica.
Japan sunscreen : Shiseido Annessa, Fancl, dr:c:Labo, Sofina.
For shining effect I haven't problem I use OC eight gel for mat effect or a Blot powder MAC, that are compatible with all chemical filter.
Thank You.

I'm not Eva, but

Neutrogena Age Shield SPF 90 with Helioplex is the best alternative;D

Helioplex is a better alternative than the usual Mexoryl.


http://www.futureder...-every-purpose/

Dont believe everything you read.

[GoodFellas]

Hello, I use sunscreen a few Year, but, generally sunscreen that offer a strong protection for Uva ray ( ppd 20-30) are whitening , or very very shining.
Just Anthelios w gel spf 40 PPD 19 are invisible to first application, but second application is white.
Do you Know a very very light sunscreen invisible with PPD 20 minimum?
I tried every line of : BIoderma, Anthelios, Avenè, Roc, Galenic, Ducray, Klorane, Uriage, some vichy.
Usa sunscreen : Elta Md, Paula Begoun, Skinmedica.
Japan sunscreen : Shiseido Annessa, Fancl, dr:c:Labo, Sofina.
For shining effect I haven't problem I use OC eight gel for mat effect or a Blot powder MAC, that are compatible with all chemical filter.
Thank You.

I'm not Eva, but

Neutrogena Age Shield SPF 90 with Helioplex is the best alternative;D

Helioplex is a better alternative than the usual Mexoryl.


http://www.futureder...-every-purpose/

Dont believe everything you read.

Do you know anything about her?

[immortali457]

Hello, I use sunscreen a few Year, but, generally sunscreen that offer a strong protection for Uva ray ( ppd 20-30) are whitening , or very very shining.
Just Anthelios w gel spf 40 PPD 19 are invisible to first application, but second application is white.
Do you Know a very very light sunscreen invisible with PPD 20 minimum?
I tried every line of : BIoderma, Anthelios, Avenè, Roc, Galenic, Ducray, Klorane, Uriage, some vichy.
Usa sunscreen : Elta Md, Paula Begoun, Skinmedica.
Japan sunscreen : Shiseido Annessa, Fancl, dr:c:Labo, Sofina.
For shining effect I haven't problem I use OC eight gel for mat effect or a Blot powder MAC, that are compatible with all chemical filter.
Thank You.

I'm not Eva, but

Neutrogena Age Shield SPF 90 with Helioplex is the best alternative;D

Helioplex is a better alternative than the usual Mexoryl.


http://www.futureder...-every-purpose/

Dont believe everything you read.

Do you know anything about her?

Huh?????

[sdxl]

Have you tried any tinted sunscreens?

[FigliodelVento]

Have you tried any tinted sunscreens?

Yes, I tried Photoderm max teinted spf 50 PPD 41.
Anthelios Teinted Xl spf 50 PPD 30..
Avenè Mineral compact spf 50.
SVR compact mineral Spf 50.
Thank you, NOw i serch Neutrogena..

[kirtap]

I've just started using nivea sun light feeling and think it leaves a good finish, a bit shiny which becomes matte after a few minutes.. However I don't reapply it during the day so I don't know well that works... One minus is also that it has very sunscreenish fragrance..

[Eva Victoria]

Hello, I use sunscreen a few Year, but, generally sunscreen that offer a strong protection for Uva ray ( ppd 20-30) are whitening , or very very shining.
Just Anthelios w gel spf 40 PPD 19 are invisible to first application, but second application is white.
Do you Know a very very light sunscreen invisible with PPD 20 minimum?
I tried every line of : BIoderma, Anthelios, Avenè, Roc, Galenic, Ducray, Klorane, Uriage, some vichy.
Usa sunscreen : Elta Md, Paula Begoun, Skinmedica.
Japan sunscreen : Shiseido Annessa, Fancl, dr:c:Labo, Sofina.
For shining effect I haven't problem I use OC eight gel for mat effect or a Blot powder MAC, that are compatible with all chemical filter.
Thank You.

Well, the good enough sunscreens with good enough UVA protection tend to be white.
The reason is either they contain TiO2 for UVB and UVA II protection (L' Oreal group) or higher amount of Tinosorb M (UVA II and I protection; it is very white; Avene, Roc, Galenic, Ducray). American sunscreens tend to contain ZnO (which again is whitening, though not as much s Tio2).
The shine comes from waterproofing agents and / or being able to disperse the sunscreen agents evenly in the product and later on the skin (Film formers). And from the oiliness of the chemical sunscreens.
Oiliness and shine can be counteracted but whiteness not so much.
The general rule is the whiter the finish the better UVA protection you have.

I have found a very good sunscreen: matter, not so whitening and has very good sunscreen agents: Avene Emulsion SPF50+ (new for 2009). Though I always put a sunscreen on the top which contains 28% ZnO and 10,6% TiO2 just to be on the safe side

[nancyd]

La Roche Posay AC for oily skin is new. I saw a site recommend it specifically for men so that makes me think it must not be whitening (at least upon first application).

Can anyone compare the old/new versions of Avene Emulsion?

Eva, which sunscreen brand do you use that contains 28% ZnO, or do you make it yourself?

Edited by nancyd, 12 May 2009 - 08:21 PM.

[immortali457]

I ordered this sunscreen. It says "Perfectly colorless on application".......I hope it's true.
Damn good price for a 400ml sunscreen of this quality.
There is a little catch though.........I'm having to wait over 3 weeks for it to ship to me in the states. You see they are based
out of Washington D.C and I was told they bulk import the sunscreens from France once they have enough orders for a particular sunscreen.

http://www.frenchcos...php?prod=130062

Edited by immortali457, 12 May 2009 - 10:04 PM.

[Eva Victoria]

La Roche Posay AC for oily skin is new. I saw a site recommend it specifically for men so that makes me think it must not be whitening (at least upon first application).

Can anyone compare the old/new versions of Avene Emulsion?

Eva, which sunscreen brand do you use that contains 28% ZnO, or do you make it yourself?

It is my very own. So high ZnO containing sunscreen can only be purchased in Japan. Since the limit of ZnO in cosmetics is 25% in the US, 20% in AU and in the EU it is still not officially approved.

[GoodFellas]

What's the Active Ingredients in Avene Emulusion 50+?

[Eva Victoria]

What's the Active Ingredients in Avene Emulusion 50+?

Avene Emulsion SPF50+ (Sunscreen agents are in bold)

INCI: AVENE AQUA. ETHYLHEXYL METHOXYCINNAMATE. METHYLENE BIS-BENZOTRIAZOLYL TETRAMETHYLBUTYLPHENOL. AQUA. BUTYLENE GLYCOL. C12-15 ALKYL BENZOATE. CYCLOMETHICONE. BIS-ETHYLHEXYLOXYPHENOL METHOXYPHENYL TRIAZINE. PTFE. DIMETHICONE. CETEARYL ALCOHOL. C20-22 ALKYL PHOSPHATE. POLYMETHYL METHACRYLATE. C20-22 ALCOHOLS. CAPRYLIC/CAPRIC TRIGLYCERIDE. CHLORPENESIN. COCO-GLUCOSIDE. CUCURBITA PEPO. DECYL GLUCOSIDE. DISODIUM EDTA. PARFUM. HYDROXYETHYLACRYLATE / SODIUM ACRYLOYLDIMETHYL TAURATE COPOLYMER. PHENOXYETHANOL. POLYSORBATE 60. PROPYLENE GLYCOL. SORBIC ACID. SQUALANE. TITANIUM DIOXIDE TOCOPHERYL GLUCOSIDE. TRIETHANOLAMINE. TRIETHOXYCAPRYLYLSILANE. TRIMETHOXYCAPRYLYLSILANE. XANTHAN GUM. ZINC OXIDE.

[GoodFellas]

Anyone tried Sofina Nuance?

[rashlan]

Anyone tried Sofina Nuance?

i have and the finish is perfect.

[jessicantique]

nil

Edited by jessicantique, 04 July 2009 - 08:24 AM.

[jessicantique]

i am currently stocked with bioderma max spray (ppd35), mineral (ppd22). sensitive (ppd40)

coz i am using retina A and work outside sometimes, i would like myself to be completely protected.

i have the following questions,
1. i would like to eliminate the harms by most ingredients in the sunscreen, i am thinking to apply a silicon type of base before the sunscreen, does anyone has some suggestions?

2. when i work outside , i mostly apply bioderma max, after i am back to office (few hours later), when it's time to re-apply , since i am indoor, i would choose the mineral type to apply, will there be still some chemicals from the chemical suncreen not compatible with the ones in my mineral sunscreen? since the bioderma formula contains AVO, is it stable with Zno and Tio>?

3, i am looking for some physical sunscreen, i am having bioderma and avene, however, looking at the EWG list, now they have some suncreen with more than 20% pure zno,
what is the percentage of zno that's enough as a sunscreen if i am indoor or just few minutes on the road? is it 18% ok? and i should not choose the nano type?

i don't like sunscreens with AVO, if they contain it , at least they should have more filming agents, when i apply the bioderma, except the mineral one, i don't feel they use a lot of filming agents, i apply three layers, 10 mins later they have been absorbed , i would like they have more filming agents then the chemicals will not absorbed.

[dhyard]

I tried the Avene Emulsion SPF50+, it looked white and splotchy, not a good look on my skin. Tried applying the Colorscience powder on top, the Perfectly Clear is a perfect match for my skin, that helped, but the splotchiness still showed through. Also tried the the Anthelios AC, also looked very white, nice matt finish though. It filled in some wrinkles on my neck that I could barely see and accentuated them with white, looked pretty bad. The PPD is only 12 on the AC, so not worth it.

Ordered some Bioderma AKN Mat, have not used it yet, except tried a small area. They make a tinted version you can mix to match your skin tone, so this might have potential. PPD is 26 also. hopefully I can try it this weekend.

[nancyd]

I tried the Avene Emulsion SPF50+, it looked white and splotchy, not a good look on my skin. Tried applying the Colorscience powder on top, the Perfectly Clear is a perfect match for my skin, that helped, but the splotchiness still showed through. Also tried the the Anthelios AC, also looked very white, nice matt finish though. It filled in some wrinkles on my neck that I could barely see and accentuated them with white, looked pretty bad. The PPD is only 12 on the AC, so not worth it.

Ordered some Bioderma AKN Mat, have not used it yet, except tried a small area. They make a tinted version you can mix to match your skin tone, so this might have potential. PPD is 26 also. hopefully I can try it this weekend.

The Avene sunscreens separate/streak on my skin including the Emulsion. I have the Bioderma AKN Matte. It's looks okay but I didn't even realize it had glycolic acid in it until recently. I don't like having that in my ss because it makes skin more sun sensitive.

I just ordered L'oreal Solar Expertise Matte Fluid SPF 50 PPD 20.

[Eva Victoria]

I tried the Avene Emulsion SPF50+, it looked white and splotchy, not a good look on my skin. Tried applying the Colorscience powder on top, the Perfectly Clear is a perfect match for my skin, that helped, but the splotchiness still showed through. Also tried the the Anthelios AC, also looked very white, nice matt finish though. It filled in some wrinkles on my neck that I could barely see and accentuated them with white, looked pretty bad. The PPD is only 12 on the AC, so not worth it.

Ordered some Bioderma AKN Mat, have not used it yet, except tried a small area. They make a tinted version you can mix to match your skin tone, so this might have potential. PPD is 26 also. hopefully I can try it this weekend.

The Avene sunscreens separate/streak on my skin including the Emulsion. I have the Bioderma AKN Matte. It's looks okay but I didn't even realize it had glycolic acid in it until recently. I don't like having that in my ss because it makes skin more sun sensitive.

I just ordered L'oreal Solar Expertise Matte Fluid SPF 50 PPD 20.

It is possible that the product is damaged. My Avene Emulsion SPF50+ leaves a white cast on the skin but it is even all over. I bought it fresh in France at Easter just a few days after it was launched in France. I always keep it at 16C dark place, even after opening it. Though the product should be stable for at least 12 m after opening used at normal conditions. It is very possible that if you have ordered it through mail it was in warmer/ hotter terminals (over 25C for longer period of time) before it reached you and that might have damaged the product.

[dhyard]

I tried the Avene Emulsion SPF50+, it looked white and splotchy, not a good look on my skin. Tried applying the Colorscience powder on top, the Perfectly Clear is a perfect match for my skin, that helped, but the splotchiness still showed through. Also tried the the Anthelios AC, also looked very white, nice matt finish though. It filled in some wrinkles on my neck that I could barely see and accentuated them with white, looked pretty bad. The PPD is only 12 on the AC, so not worth it.

Ordered some Bioderma AKN Mat, have not used it yet, except tried a small area. They make a tinted version you can mix to match your skin tone, so this might have potential. PPD is 26 also. hopefully I can try it this weekend.

The Avene sunscreens separate/streak on my skin including the Emulsion. I have the Bioderma AKN Matte. It's looks okay but I didn't even realize it had glycolic acid in it until recently. I don't like having that in my ss because it makes skin more sun sensitive.

I just ordered L'oreal Solar Expertise Matte Fluid SPF 50 PPD 20.

It is possible that the product is damaged. My Avene Emulsion SPF50+ leaves a white cast on the skin but it is even all over. I bought it fresh in France at Easter just a few days after it was launched in France. I always keep it at 16C dark place, even after opening it. Though the product should be stable for at least 12 m after opening used at normal conditions. It is very possible that if you have ordered it through mail it was in warmer/ hotter terminals (over 25C for longer period of time) before it reached you and that might have damaged the product.

It's possible, but I've ordered a lot of sunscreens and never had that happen. It looked like the sunscreen never fully absorbed into my skin. It's possible results could vary depending on how heavy it is applied, I put it on fairly heavy since I use it outdoors for sports at times. But Anthelios looks streaky when I first put it on, but after a couple of minutes, it smooths out, looks like it absorbs into my skin. The Avene stayed the way I first applied, somewhat streaky, didn't look like it absorbed at all.

I tried the L'Oreal solar expertise matte after NancyD mentioned it, that stuff looks great, like I barely have anything on, really happy with it. I mix about 2 parts white to one part tinted in my palm and it really matches my skin tone very closely, and looks fairly matte, maybe just a slight glow. I think the way they are selling a tinted and a white version of some sunscreens now works really well to match your skin and avoid the white look. My only slight disappointment with the L'oreal is that it isn't water resistant, as I need something for outdoor for sports at times. Nancy how do you think the AKN mat looks compared to the L'oreal? I only tried a small sample of the AKN, it looked ok, but was a bit white, definitely a heavier consistency than the L'oreal. Thinking of getting one of the tinted and white versions to blend since they are water resistant and PPD is 26.

[nancyd]

Nancy how do you think the AKN mat looks compared to the L'oreal? I only tried a small sample of the AKN, it looked ok, but was a bit white, definitely a heavier consistency than the L'oreal. Thinking of getting one of the tinted and white versions to blend since they are water resistant and PPD is 26.

Well I think there is a newer version of the Bioderma AKN ss than the one I have, so what I will say is outdated. Anyway, mine has a slightly thinner consistency than the L'oreal ss and the whitening is about the same. The Bioderma streaks if not applied carefully.

Edited by nancyd, 12 August 2009 - 09:10 PM.

[nancyd]

It is possible that the product is damaged. My Avene Emulsion SPF50+ leaves a white cast on the skin but it is even all over. I bought it fresh in France at Easter just a few days after it was launched in France. I always keep it at 16C dark place, even after opening it. Though the product should be stable for at least 12 m after opening used at normal conditions. It is very possible that if you have ordered it through mail it was in warmer/ hotter terminals (over 25C for longer period of time) before it reached you and that might have damaged the product.

I kind of assumed all ss I have ordered from Europe is heated too much in the summer during travel to U.S. How much do you think this affects the protection it provides?

Edited by nancyd, 12 August 2009 - 09:18 PM.

[Eva Victoria]

It is possible that the product is damaged. My Avene Emulsion SPF50+ leaves a white cast on the skin but it is even all over. I bought it fresh in France at Easter just a few days after it was launched in France. I always keep it at 16C dark place, even after opening it. Though the product should be stable for at least 12 m after opening used at normal conditions. It is very possible that if you have ordered it through mail it was in warmer/ hotter terminals (over 25C for longer period of time) before it reached you and that might have damaged the product.

I kind of assumed all ss I have ordered from Europe is heated too much in the summer during travel to U.S. How much do you think this affects the protection it provides?

Cosmetic products do tolerate heat to some extend, however chemical UV filters do break down in the presence of heat. Hence it is advisable to discard all UV filters after the summer (if you have carried them with you outside or to the beach).
So I would say heat does damage sunscreen products. And should be replaced if there is a chance that the product has been stored in a warm place (for a longer period of time, which will vary depending on Temperature/Time correlation).