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[niner]

Claiming otherwise is absurd and at least as outrageous as claiming the actions of the US and the PRC are somehow comparable.

For the record, no one has said this.

[sUper GeNius]

we know what's best for you BS.
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But of, course, I ought to hold my tongue, as I live in such a very fragile glass house.

God you're a sorehead.

If we wanted to tell the PRC what to do, maybe we shouldn't have sold them so many bonds.

At least I'm not a fathead.

If anything, we have even *more* leverage now that we've sold them so many bonds. We can simply threaten to devalue the currency. Actually, I'll bet that threat has already been made, implicitly or otherwise.

Edited by FuLL meMbeR, 18 June 2009 - 04:12 AM.

[sUper GeNius]

Claiming otherwise is absurd and at least as outrageous as claiming the actions of the US and the PRC are somehow comparable.

For the record, no one has said this.

You implied it. It's necessary for your whole "glass house" argument. You can always edit your thesis to something like "those in bulletproof glass houses......"

[TianZi]

Claiming otherwise is absurd and at least as outrageous as claiming the actions of the US and the PRC are somehow comparable.

For the record, no one has said this.

You implied it. It's necessary for your whole "glass house" argument. You can always edit your thesis to something like "those in bulletproof glass houses......"

I request that the personal bickering be taken to PM's, as it has become personal and not related to what this thread should be discussing.

[sUper GeNius]

Claiming otherwise is absurd and at least as outrageous as claiming the actions of the US and the PRC are somehow comparable.

For the record, no one has said this.

You implied it. It's necessary for your whole "glass house" argument. You can always edit your thesis to something like "those in bulletproof glass houses......"

I request that the personal bickering be taken to PM's, as it has become personal and not related to what this thread should be discussing.

Sorry, no can do. It's not personal bickering at all. It *is* a response to Niner's claim of what he meant by his post. Niner's first several posts in the (my) thread were OT. Not being a mod, there's nothing that I can do about that.

[TianZi]

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Mr. Zhou, the son of a Chinese army general, said that he and his colleagues began to develop such software after the 1999 Chinese government crackdown on Falun Gong (which the authorities denounce as a cult). One result was a free software called Freegate, small enough to carry on a flash drive. It takes a surfer to an overseas server that changes I.P. addresses every second or so, too quickly for a government to block it, and then from there to a banned site.

Freegate amounts to a dissident's cyberkit. E-mails sent with it can be encrypted. And after a session is complete, a press of a button eliminates any sign that it was used on that computer."

[david ellis]

All these things aside, at least China is advancing by leaps and bounds. I wouldn't mind living in China at all.

I think I would wait until the serfs and slaves are free. And a Bill of Rights.

[sUper GeNius]

All these things aside, at least China is advancing by leaps and bounds. I wouldn't mind living in China at all.

I think I would wait until the serfs and slaves are free. And a Bill of Rights.

Be cautious with that fact slinging David, lest you be labeled a jingoist nationalist by a renegade mod.

Edited by sUper GeNius, 22 June 2009 - 06:13 AM.

[david ellis]

Be cautious with that fact slinging David, lest you be labeled a jingoist nationalist by a renegade mod.

The most dangerous thing about China is there are lots more jingoes there than here. Think about the damage done by the our latest jingoes, the neo-cons.

[sUper GeNius]

Be cautious with that fact slinging David, lest you be labeled a jingoist nationalist by a renegade mod.

The most dangerous thing about China is there are lots more jingoes there than here. Think about the damage done by the our latest jingoes, the neo-cons.

You mean the vast majority of the US congress, including our current Sec. of State?

[jhowardall]

China is advancing economically, but it is still a completely authoritarian, totalitarian society that seeks to control the population. The ongoing refusal to acknowledge what happened in Tianaman Square, the largest system of internet censorship and surveillence on Earth, and a communist party absolutely rotten to the core with an endless stream of corrupt officials who still preach socialism but line their pockets with bribes from people who put plastic in baby formula.

And then you have the demographic problems. Sex-selective abortion and infanticide to ensure a male heir under the one child policy has made it so there is expected to be around 50 million more males than females by 2020 or 2025, something like that.

Think of all the wonderful social problems that will come along with having 50 million anti-social, only child, bitter young men who can't find a woman...

I'm a man and I know that the one thing that every single society must do before it has any chance whatsoever of becoming genuine, joyful, free and prosperous is for it to lose male dominance and value women just the same. Every society on Earth that is strongly male dominated is incredibly disfunctional in one way or another.

And for that reason I think China will get richer, but society will get more angry and bitter than it has ever been in the past.

[niner]

Be cautious with that fact slinging David, lest you be labeled a jingoist nationalist by a renegade mod.

The most dangerous thing about China is there are lots more jingoes there than here. Think about the damage done by the our latest jingoes, the neo-cons.

You mean the vast majority of the US congress, including our current Sec. of State?

Hillary is a Neo-Con? The "vast majority" of congress? You just live in a universe all your own, don't you?

[sUper GeNius]

Be cautious with that fact slinging David, lest you be labeled a jingoist nationalist by a renegade mod.

The most dangerous thing about China is there are lots more jingoes there than here. Think about the damage done by the our latest jingoes, the neo-cons.

You mean the vast majority of the US congress, including our current Sec. of State?

Hillary is a Neo-Con? The "vast majority" of congress? You just live in a universe all your own, don't you?

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[david ellis]

Be cautious with that fact slinging David, lest you be labeled a jingoist nationalist by a renegade mod.

The most dangerous thing about China is there are lots more jingoes there than here. Think about the damage done by the our latest jingoes, the neo-cons.

You mean the vast majority of the US congress, including our current Sec. of State?

Jingoism is dangerous and ugly.

[sUper GeNius]

Be cautious with that fact slinging David, lest you be labeled a jingoist nationalist by a renegade mod.

The most dangerous thing about China is there are lots more jingoes there than here. Think about the damage done by the our latest jingoes, the neo-cons.

You mean the vast majority of the US congress, including our current Sec. of State?

Jingoism is dangerous and ugly.

Perhaps, but let's give credit where credit is due. A substantial majority of congress voted to invade Iraq. Admittedly, one, (Sec. Clinton,) didn't understand what she was voting for. If I recall correctly, she thought it was a family leave act.

[david ellis]

Be cautious with that fact slinging David, lest you be labeled a jingoist nationalist by a renegade mod.

The most dangerous thing about China is there are lots more jingoes there than here. Think about the damage done by the our latest jingoes, the neo-cons.

You mean the vast majority of the US congress, including our current Sec. of State?

Jingoism is dangerous and ugly.

Perhaps, but let's give credit where credit is due. A substantial majority of congress voted to invade Iraq. Admittedly, one, (Sec. Clinton,) didn't understand what she was voting for. If I recall correctly, she thought it was a family leave act.

A sad time for our country, little honor and bravery among our leaders, both Republicans and Democrats. It's probably why Clinton didn't beat Obama. Jingoism is ugly and the price for it is high.

[VictorBjoerk]

Why don't just the western world make economic sanctions against China? It is really dangerous for the whole planet to have a dictature as the most powerful country on earth.

[sUper GeNius]

Why don't just the western world make economic sanctions against China?

It would probably amount to a tariff, since China produces SO many products for the Western world. A couple of nice "Buy American" speeches from Obama might do the trick, although I think that's against some treaty we signed.

[sUper GeNius]

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