Bone broths
stephen_b 26 Jun 2009
So far I have made a bone broth only one time. I got some lamb bones from Whole Foods and put it a slow cooker set to low in the morning. Late in the afternoon I strained the mix, kept the broth, and let it set in the fridge, where it gelled.
I'm sure I could have improved it. For example, skimming the broth for the first couple of hours is said to make it taste much better. (See the "Broth is Beautiful" article by Sally Fallon.) Added vegetables improve the meat broth, and vinegar (finally, a use for that apple cider vinegar) extracts minerals like calcium, magnesium, and phosphorus.
There are a few questions that I hope to find answers to:
- Like lamb does, the broth had a strong flavor. Has anyone made other kinds of broth, and are their tastes distinctive?
- These bones were uncooked. Broth can also be made from cooked bones too (like from a leftover turkey carcass). Are cooked bones simmered for a shorter length of time than raw? About how much less?
- Now that I have my bone stock, how can it be used in recipes?
gregandbeaker 06 Jul 2009
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StephenB
- Like lamb does, the broth had a strong flavor. Has anyone made other kinds of broth, and are their tastes distinctive?
- Now that I have my bone stock, how can it be used in recipes?
Have you ever tried the Vietnamese soup called "Pho" or "Pho Ba"? Its a delicious concoction that finds most of its flavor in the broth. Here is a basic recipe. Traditionally you'd throw in some thinly sliced raw meat, noodles, cilantro, and bean sprouts into the hot broth and call it lunch. Its delicious just as broth though.
5 pounds beef knuckle, with meat
2 pounds beef oxtail
1 white (daikon) radish, sliced
2 onions, chopped
2 ounces whole star anise pods
1/2 cinnamon stick
2 whole cloves
1 teaspoon black peppercorns
1 slice fresh ginger root
1 tablespoon white sugar
1 tablespoon salt
1 tablespoon fish sauce
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pizzatheorem 06 Jul 2009
When I make veal stock, I usually reduce it very slowly to minimize volatilizing the yummy aromatic compounds. What I am left with is called a demi-glace and is pretty much the cornerstone of French sauce making. It is a very thick, luscious stock reduction. After you refrigerate it, it is as hard as a hockey puck, to give you an idea of how thick this stuff is. I use a variant on the recipe of Thomas Keller which takes one day instead of two.
I like to make sauces consisting of herbs, butter, demi-glace and maybe a little cognac or wine. I then slather that over a roasted chicken. Not totally healthy, but I only do this rarely. Another fine use for veal stock is as a braising liquid for veggies or meat as a healthy alternative to browning.
pizzatheorem 06 Jul 2009
Lufega 29 Dec 2009
Are you still making this? Any tips?
This article has great info. on broth. It's very detailed.
http://www.townsendl...5/broth0205.htm
stephen_b 02 Jan 2010
Are you still making this? Any tips?
Yes I am. I basically follow the Sally Fallon's method. I use a slow cooker on low for convenience. I wish there were a way to glean dietary information from the resulting gelatin, like mineral and vitamin K content, but I'd imagine that there would be lots of variation. One might be able to eliminate a lot of supplementation this way.
Sillewater 14 Jan 2010
Lufega 06 Mar 2010
http://www.jadeinsti...th-building.php
http://www.townsendl...5/broth0205.htm
e Volution 08 Mar 2010
Anyway just came across this link today from Mark's Daily Apple: How To Make Beef Broth And Use It Well.
erzebet 20 Mar 2010
i almost finished reading "nourishing traditions" and I love that book! it makes so much sense and it helped me get more nutrients for the buck
did anyone try chutneys or soaking grains before using them?
jessicantique 21 Mar 2010
i am using low temperature , but my impression is that meat cooked for long hour is bad? AGE?
e Volution 22 Mar 2010
I think the fact that the medium is water (thus ensuring the process never goes over 100C) is AGE minimising, but I am interested to see more knowledgeable opinions.the bones I buy always has some meat attached with it. my concerned it that will there be trans fat or other bad things in the broth after long hours of heat from the meat?
i am using low temperature , but my impression is that meat cooked for long hour is bad? AGE?
stephen_b 25 Mar 2010
Transfats result from a specific industrial process called hydrogenation. If you are not bubbling hydrogen through your bone broth, I don't think you need to worry about that.the bones I buy always has some meat attached with it. my concerned it that will there be trans fat
AGEs can be greatly reduced with low temperature cooking, and bone broths are made at low temperatures.
Edited by stephen_b, 25 March 2010 - 09:10 PM.
Lufega 26 Mar 2010
AGEs can be greatly reduced with low temperature cooking, and bone broths are made at low temperatures.
Also, you can skip baking or browning your bones to reduce AGEs.
full_circle 26 Mar 2010
stephen_b 27 Mar 2010
full_circle 27 Mar 2010
Edited by full_circle, 27 March 2010 - 03:06 AM.
yoyo 27 Mar 2010
Skötkonung 29 Mar 2010
i personally don't buy "organically grown" label. it does not mean it is free of heavy metals and after all come on.. how "organic" can it be with all kinds of man-made environmental hazards all around us? but don't get me wrong, if i were in 20's i would eat bone broths.
According to this article in the British Veterinary Journal, animals must be repeatedly exposed to high levels of heavy metal for it to appear in their marrow:
Study: Effects of exposure to excessive quantities of lead on animals
Organic beef is typically grass-fed, pastured to slaughter. The grass and feed must be free of pesticides and other industrial pollutants. The meat must also be tested for impurities and the handling is strictly monitored. I highly doubt that organic beef or bone marrow will have significant heavy metal toxicity.
If you have any questions, you can view the USDA website for a list of the protocols required for producing organic beef:
http://www.ers.usda.gov/Data/Organic/
jessicantique 07 Apr 2010
vegetables and herbs also contain heavy metals.
do heavy metals dissolve in water well? so the heavy metals stick to the bone instead of dissolve in the soup?
e Volution 08 Apr 2010
Also: Fatty Acid Composition and Energy Density of Foods Available to African Hominids (PDF)
African ruminant marrow: (courtesy of Dr. Loren Cordain)
100 grams of the stuff contain 488 calories, 51 grams of fat (mostly monounsaturated, as I understand), and 7 grams of protein