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[Luna]

any progress? ^^

[Luna]

I met someone on facebook, apparently she is a book writer and with GID like our Val here!
She wrote a book, which is sci-fi, with the main character dealing with his own GID, being born as a man but identifying as a woman
Here is the back cover of the book:



And link to the book's site:
http://www.caipria.com/index.html

The author offered to send me a free signed copy which I gratefully accepted and I am interested to see how the book is It sounds pretty interesting, with nice sci-fi (from my talks with the author), internal politics and the emotions of the main character.
There are pages you can read over the book's website.

P.S. How are you doing Val? is there any progress?

[Solarclimax]

nooo no, we don't want to mix the two

It's kinda implicitly there in a way. Transhuman, transsexual, anything with "trans-" in it just doesn't sound good in a PR sense, I'm thinking of Martine Rothblatt's "transbeman" word too

trans- fat

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I think of the word transgenic and i picture super human, super intelligent, long lived good characters. Then when i hear the word transsexual/transgender i think damn why did a bunch of freaks have to have a collective name that resembles transgenic, it spoils things. Those are the first things that come into my head when thinking about what those words mean to me. For me transgenic and transgender are completely different things, apart from 1 similarity in that they have a similar name.

[RighteousReason]

nooo no, we don't want to mix the two

It's kinda implicitly there in a way. Transhuman, transsexual, anything with "trans-" in it just doesn't sound good in a PR sense, I'm thinking of Martine Rothblatt's "transbeman" word too

trans- fat

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I think of the word transgenic and i picture super human, super intelligent, long lived good characters. Then when i hear the word transsexual/transgender i think damn why did a bunch of freaks have to have a collective name that resembles transgenic, it spoils things. Those are the first things that come into my head when thinking about what those words mean to me. For me transgenic and transgender are completely different things, apart from 1 similarity in that they have a similar name.

Yeah that's another great example of a trans- word that sounds horrible. Transgenic? What are you breeding some horrible mutant manbearpigs? Or those dog-human ads you see everywhere on the internet?

There was probably a time when 'transplant' had the same ring to it, not part of my connotation though, I guess I'm too young

Edited by RighteousReason, 15 February 2010 - 10:07 PM.

[Solarclimax]

nooo no, we don't want to mix the two

It's kinda implicitly there in a way. Transhuman, transsexual, anything with "trans-" in it just doesn't sound good in a PR sense, I'm thinking of Martine Rothblatt's "transbeman" word too

trans- fat

,
I think of the word transgenic and i picture super human, super intelligent, long lived good characters. Then when i hear the word transsexual/transgender i think damn why did a bunch of freaks have to have a collective name that resembles transgenic, it spoils things. Those are the first things that come into my head when thinking about what those words mean to me. For me transgenic and transgender are completely different things, apart from 1 similarity in that they have a similar name.

Yeah that's another great example of a trans- word that sounds horrible. Transgenic? What are you breeding some horrible mutant manbearpigs? Or those dog-human ads you see everywhere on the internet?

There was probably a time when 'transplant' had the same ring to it, not part of my connotation though, I guess I'm too young

I'm thinking more Jessica Alba than the character Kevin Durand plays

[Luna]

http://www.npr.org/t...toryId=90247842

I find it fascinating how even though one family removed all girly things, policed around who he plays with, what he plays with and everything else.. and after almost a year the best they got is him lying to them and persisting wanting to be a girl but afraid of them.

While the other family is happy, all of them. They don't need to act police and their girl is blossoming.

[Ghostrider]

I'm sorry, I don't really care if she was born with a penis.

When someone has a sex change surgery, the proper thing is to address them and deal with them in their new/chosen/real gender.

In some cases, it's a bit weird. What if a very masculine truck-driver type dude puts on a dress and walks into the women's restroom. I think most women would feel a bit bothered by that... (got that idea from an episode of South Park)

[Luna]

I'm sorry, I don't really care if she was born with a penis.

When someone has a sex change surgery, the proper thing is to address them and deal with them in their new/chosen/real gender.

In some cases, it's a bit weird. What if a very masculine truck-driver type dude puts on a dress and walks into the women's restroom. I think most women would feel a bit bothered by that... (got that idea from an episode of South Park)

Like I said earlier, when I went to that center, sometimes it felt akward.
Lucky that anyone can be a guy, the guys never felt akward.

Someone posted this and I decided to share it on facebook and here.
http://www.scienceda...91020153100.htm

Is the left a female? is the right a male?




It is actually the same "androgynous" face, one with more contrast and the other with less. Cool! the more contrast between skin and eyes/lips the more feminine a face is. "Women usually have lighter skin color in all races, but about same lips and eyes colors."

[valkyrie_ice]

nooo no, we don't want to mix the two

It's kinda implicitly there in a way. Transhuman, transsexual, anything with "trans-" in it just doesn't sound good in a PR sense, I'm thinking of Martine Rothblatt's "transbeman" word too

trans- fat

,
I think of the word transgenic and i picture super human, super intelligent, long lived good characters. Then when i hear the word transsexual/transgender i think damn why did a bunch of freaks have to have a collective name that resembles transgenic, it spoils things. Those are the first things that come into my head when thinking about what those words mean to me. For me transgenic and transgender are completely different things, apart from 1 similarity in that they have a similar name.

Freaks? I take offense at being labeled a freak, find it quite annoying in fact. I would request you consider that fact before using the term in regards to trans-gendered individuals again. We are all of us freaks here in the eyes of someone. I would prefer it not be in the eyes of a fellow transhuman. And there is far too much evidence for the biological origin, and effects, of transgenderism to treat it as anything but a real and valid problem faced by a large percentage of the human population.

Keep your prejudice to yourself in the future please.

[valkyrie_ice]

I'm sorry, I don't really care if she was born with a penis.

When someone has a sex change surgery, the proper thing is to address them and deal with them in their new/chosen/real gender.

In some cases, it's a bit weird. What if a very masculine truck-driver type dude puts on a dress and walks into the women's restroom. I think most women would feel a bit bothered by that... (got that idea from an episode of South Park)

That is primarily due to the unfortunate primitiveness of the current surgery techniques, GR. That is rapidly changing. And Mr. Garrison is a very poor example to use as s/he's specifically meant to cause that kind of cognitive dissonance.

[valkyrie_ice]

http://www.npr.org/t...toryId=90247842

I find it fascinating how even though one family removed all girly things, policed around who he plays with, what he plays with and everything else.. and after almost a year the best they got is him lying to them and persisting wanting to be a girl but afraid of them.

While the other family is happy, all of them. They don't need to act police and their girl is blossoming.

I was met with the Zucker approach. all it made me do was hide who I really was. It never once ever made me think I was male, just made me feel trapped pretending to be something I have grown to hate.

[russianBEAR]

I mean...once she's of legal age I'd do her...I guess that's my answer to the thread title...

Edited by russianBEAR, 01 March 2010 - 11:11 AM.

[valkyrie_ice]

*giggle* Arise Thread ARISE!!!!

http://ieet.org/inde...notaro20100621/

An interesting post over at IEET on gender and "post genderism"

But the most interesting was a link in the first comment

http://aebrain.blogs...ntation-by.html

We spoke for 2 1/2 hours on why cross gender identity was a normal inherited variation of humans. We showed how Transgender Brains think, smell, and hear like the opposite sex. We presented internationally accepted guidelines for hormonal treatment of transsexuals to be published Summer 2009.

So the next time someone tries to tell me it's "all in my head" I can nod and say "Exactly, and science proves it. I HAVE A FEMALE BRAIN."

Yes. I'm being silly.

Val does a happy dance anyway!

[Luna]

Saw this on facebook, thought I'd share!
http://www.celebrity...-is-fascinating

[Luna]

Who wants?

Link to the article

'Artificial Ovary' Develops Oocytes Into Mature Human Eggs


ScienceDaily (Sep. 14, 2010) — Researchers at Brown University and Women & Infants Hospital have invented the first artificial human ovary, an advance that provides a potentially powerful new means for conducting fertility research and could also yield infertility treatments for cancer patients. The team has already used the lab-grown organ to mature human eggs.

"An ovary is composed of three main cell types, and this is the first time that anyone has created a 3-D tissue structure with triple cell line," said Sandra Carson, professor of obstetrics and gynecology at the Warren Alpert Medical School of Brown University and director of the Division of Reproductive Endocrinology and Infertility at Women & Infants Hospital. Carson is a senior author of a recent article in the Journal of Assisted Reproduction and Genetics that describes the innovation.

Carson said that the ovary not only provides a living laboratory for investigating fundamental questions about how healthy ovaries work, but also can act as a testbed for seeing how problems, such as exposure to toxins or other chemicals, can disrupt egg maturation and health.

Clinically, the artificial ovary could play a role in preserving the fertility of women facing cancer treatment in the future, said Stephan Krotz, a Houston fertility doctor who is the paper's lead author and a former fellow in Carson's lab. Immature eggs could be salvaged and frozen before the onset of chemotherapy or radiation, he said, and then matured outside the patient in the artificial ovary.

Building an ovary

What makes the artificial ovary a functional tissue, rather than just a cell culture, is that it brings all three ovarian cell types into a 3-D arrangement similar to a real ovary in the body. The means for making such compositions of cells was invented in the lab of Jeffrey Morgan, associate professor of medical science and engineering, who is a co-author of the paper published online Aug. 25. His so-called 3D Petri dishes are made of a moldable agarose gel that provides a nurturing template to encourage cells to assemble into specific shapes.

To create the ovary, the researchers formed honeycombs of theca cells, one of two key types in the ovary, donated by reproductive-age (25-46) patients at the hospital. After the theca cells grew into the honeycomb shape, spherical clumps of donated granulosa cells were inserted into the holes of the honeycomb together with human egg cells, known as oocytes. In a couple days the theca cells enveloped the granulosa and eggs, mimicking a real ovary.

The big test, however, was whether the structure could function like an ovary -- namely to mature eggs. In experiments the structure was able to nurture eggs from the "early antral follicle" stage to full maturity.

"[This] represents the first success in using 3-D tissue engineering principles for in vitro oocyte maturation," the researchers wrote in the journal article.
Carson said her goal was never to invent an artificial organ, per se, but merely to create a research environment in which she could study how theca and granulosa cells and oocytes interact. When she learned of Morgan's 3-D Petri dishes, they began to collaborate on creating an organ. Morgan said this is the first fully functional tissue to be made using the method.

To help fund the work, Morgan and Carson applied for and won a Collaborative Research Award from the Rhode Island Science and Technology Advisory Council (STAC). STAC grants encourage research with commercial potential. Morgan has recently founded a local Rhode Island startup, MicroTissues Inc. The company will begin selling these micro-mold tools in about a month to researchers looking to engineer 3-D tissues. Other funding came from Women & Infants Hospital.

With what appears to be a fully functional artificial organ, Carson and Morgan continue to collaborate and are now embarking on the studies she dreamed it would make possible. She's reluctant to predict what they'll turn up, however.

"This is really very, very new," she said.

The paper's other authors are Jared Robins, Toni-Marie Ferruccio, Richard Moore and Margaret Steinhoff, all of Brown University.

[anagram]

The definition of Trans humanism is at a chasm between it and Transsexualism ideology. Transsexualism targets sexually uncomfortable persons by helping them attain the gender format they choose however it does not at all aim at making the person have a superhuman lifespan, enhanced intelligence, or a healthy lifespan. Transsexualism is entirely about sex and fixing a person through surgical/hormonal mechanisms, while trans humanism is about overcoming endogenous human weaknesses and becoming a stronger women/man whom is trying to attain happiness by augmentation of already defined presets, its not throwing out the script.

Edited by anagram, 12 March 2013 - 10:22 PM.