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#1 chelated

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 02:54 AM


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This is my predicament...Ever since being on all drugs and then coming off benzos I am losing all my emotions. The farther away I am from the last dose which was April 24 2009 the less emotions I can feel...I have like 1% of my emotions left. I don't know what to do. Supplements don't do anything anymore and I tried to go back on ativan but it is like a placebo that makes me drowsy. I can't feel high at all and I don't really feel pain either. I have no adrenal response anymore. My ability to feel time has also been diminshed. I don't even feel tired ever either. Very marginally if i do. I thought this wasn't humanly possible to have no feelings. It even sounds insane to begin wiht. I thought running would help but it doesn't. It feels like someone injected anasthesia in my brain and it always present. Apparently I am becoming more or less of a robot. I am going to get tests done to determine the underlying nature of this but I think that this one is out of my hands right now. I think something in my dna has been silenced. It is like my body is doing what the ativan is doing 24/7 without the drug. THe farther away I am getting from it the less and less I can feel. Hopefully anyone can give some kind of advice on this...I have read cases where people lost their emotions from drugs completely and it came back but this is emotions going away after stopping it. How is this possible?

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 04:05 AM

However much of emotional life you might (think you) have lost, a careful reading of your post still makes clear that at the very least you can still experience WORRY and HOPE. So all is not lost.

http://www.imminst.o...ife-t17058.html

This is my predicament...Ever since being on all drugs and then coming off benzos I am losing all my emotions. The farther away I am from the last dose which was April 24 2009 the less emotions I can feel...I have like 1% of my emotions left. I don't know what to do. Supplements don't do anything anymore and I tried to go back on ativan but it is like a placebo that makes me drowsy. I can't feel high at all and I don't really feel pain either. I have no adrenal response anymore. My ability to feel time has also been diminshed. I don't even feel tired ever either. Very marginally if i do. I thought this wasn't humanly possible to have no feelings. It even sounds insane to begin wiht. I thought running would help but it doesn't. It feels like someone injected anasthesia in my brain and it always present. Apparently I am becoming more or less of a robot. I am going to get tests done to determine the underlying nature of this but I think that this one is out of my hands right now. I think something in my dna has been silenced. It is like my body is doing what the ativan is doing 24/7 without the drug. THe farther away I am getting from it the less and less I can feel. Hopefully anyone can give some kind of advice on this...I have read cases where people lost their emotions from drugs completely and it came back but this is emotions going away after stopping it. How is this possible?



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Posted 15 July 2009 - 08:04 PM

However much of emotional life you might (think you) have lost, a careful reading of your post still makes clear that at the very least you can still experience WORRY and HOPE. So all is not lost.



I can still describe worry and hope and yes I still have about 1% of my emotions left at this point in time. I even took some ativan today and it does make me drowsy but does nothing to help with the inability to feel. I have almost total anhdedonia as well in all aspects. I can't enjoy food, music, sex, etc. Other drugs don't effect me at all. Everything acts as a placebo and I can't get high on drugs or supplements. I hope this reverses else my entire life will be kind of like hell...Are there cases of things getting worse before they get better? I mean if my brain is silencing all ability to feel pleasure and feelings over these past 3 months is there a chance it can reset back after i go down to 0%? I don't like the gene silencing theory b/c once sometimes goes sometimes it may never come back I have read. My theory of what happened is that since ativan controls all neurotrasnsmitters in the hypothalamus and feedback systems it feels as if everything is completely shutdown. My initial withdrawal had ultra intense emotions and pain but after my last pill each day was getting worse and worse as far as ability to feel anything and my pain was also going away at the same time. It essentially feels like ativan is in me 24/7 but there is no withdrawal from when i took it the past 2 days...b/c I don't get pain anymore from it either anymore since the complete withdrawal of 2.5 months changed something in my brain and now I am left with this drugged induced state. I am sure this is extremely rare and must have to do with prior drugs I took as well. I just am stuck in this abyss of despair. Hopefully I can be saved from this torment in time. I tried to meditate as well but i feel 0 emotions...My head has complete emptyness in regards to feeling but I still have cognitive thoughts.

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 01:56 AM

If you were to choose between feeling again, but mostly negative emotions (depression, etc), and not feeling at all what would you choose? It seems to me that you moved on an emotional spectrum from minus to zero, and now you hope to move from zero to plus...but what if you'll move again to minus? I'm trying to provide some sense of perspective. Maybe as a society we are too afraid of experiencing negative emotions and in the process of getting rid of them we loose a little of our humanity.

As for the specifics of your case maybe you should try to find a good doctor who is not into BigPharma and is open to alternative therapies & supplements. Maybe you're case is one of "too much of a good thing" (you oversteered your mental system with heavy BigPharma drugs instead of gently prodding it with milder interventions). Just a thought.

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 03:06 PM

If you were to choose between feeling again, but mostly negative emotions (depression, etc), and not feeling at all what would you choose? It seems to me that you moved on an emotional spectrum from minus to zero, and now you hope to move from zero to plus...but what if you'll move again to minus? I'm trying to provide some sense of perspective. Maybe as a society we are too afraid of experiencing negative emotions and in the process of getting rid of them we loose a little of our humanity.

As for the specifics of your case maybe you should try to find a good doctor who is not into BigPharma and is open to alternative therapies & supplements. Maybe you're case is one of "too much of a good thing" (you oversteered your mental system with heavy BigPharma drugs instead of gently prodding it with milder interventions). Just a thought.



I did not want to go on ativan again to begin with. I was forced to take it. I didn't know how to get off of it and then began asking for it b/c I was unaware of the difficulty withdrawing it. I want to feel emotions since that is part of what makes us human. Now I can't feel the ups and downs of life except for 1% that is left of me which I hope can revert back. The only emotions I have are deep fear within my spirit that I a losing a piece of my soul. I tried alternative already since this. Running does nothing and neither does meditation. Supplements which have had effects in the past have 0 effect now. I can't feel anything. I have thoughts but my feelings are virtually all gone. I have nothing left. If I took a drug now I would just have the side effects from it but it wouldn't actually do anything for me feelings. I just hope this reverses. I don't want to be I want to live.

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 11:00 PM

I did not want to go on ativan again to begin with. I was forced to take it. I didn't know how to get off of it and then began asking for it b/c I was unaware of the difficulty withdrawing it. I want to feel emotions since that is part of what makes us human. Now I can't feel the ups and downs of life except for 1% that is left of me which I hope can revert back. The only emotions I have are deep fear within my spirit that I a losing a piece of my soul. I tried alternative already since this. Running does nothing and neither does meditation. Supplements which have had effects in the past have 0 effect now. I can't feel anything. I have thoughts but my feelings are virtually all gone. I have nothing left. If I took a drug now I would just have the side effects from it but it wouldn't actually do anything for me feelings. I just hope this reverses. I don't want to be I want to live.




Keep trying it may take up to 6months for your brain to adapt to the chemical changes being made.

hang in there bud

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 11:44 PM

Yesterday after I woke up upset deep within my soul that I have hardly any emotions left. I decided to take 3mg of melotonin on an empty stomach in hopes I could knock myself out because I wanted to go back to sleep. My father then forced me to play tennis with him afterwards and didn't feel tired at all. In the past 1mg of melotonin would knock me off my socks. I was so upset inside that I can't feel that I took 2mg of ativan yesterday again to try to knock myself out again but it does nothing either. I was able to get very little sleep last night and not feel tired when I woke up. Today I tried to go to sleep so I wouldn't have to be in this state of misery and took 10mg of oxycodone. But I did not feel tired or hazy at all. I felt absolutely nothing from it not even a little sense of respitory depression. When I do sleep it feels like my dreams are less bright and shorter. I literally am losing all ability to feel any emotions including true tiredness. Since supplements and drugs are essentially placebos now since they work on the emotion centers I don't know what else to do. When I got off the ativan completely I had very atypical symptoms. I was able to sleep 12 hours to begin with. Then it gradually kept getting less as well as my pain and emotions. I don't know how this is possible to lose all ability to feel but that is essentially what is going on. I feel like every neurotransmitter in my prefrontal cortex is being silenced. Because ativan affects all neurotransmitters in the prefrtonal cortex it is essentially like the drug has silenced all of them as well somehow after the withdrawal. I guess a sleep study could verify something. Also I have complete anhedonia. I can't feel any pleasure in anything at all but that parallels me losing about all my ability to feel anything at all either. I am never hungry really either or truly desire food. Maybe my body might crave it still however so I eat a little bit just to survive. I have no motivation to live except to get better somehow even though I am getting worse. Also my short term and long term memory are virtually as strong as ever even all my heavy prescription drug use. My father keeps saying this is depression and so did the psychiatrist but I know it is something sooo much more serious that just that. I am just 24 years old soon to be 25 and do not want to be like this for long.

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Posted 17 July 2009 - 12:04 AM

I have anhedonia as a side effect of my depression with a former bout of psychosis, which I believe brought it on. I don't feel too much emotion maybe 40%? I feel anger, worry, and some joy, (when I have good energy, which is rare due to my problem.)

But I don't feel nearly as sad about the death of my mother, even though she was my favorite human being in the world. So this is quite tragic.

I also can't feel high's or even buzzes from alcohol; it's terrible.

But some days I can feel a little buzzed so there is hope for me.

I would imagine there is hope for you too, but like you said some mental conditions last for life, like the cognitive impairments in schizophrenia, that is according to some studies.

So see your doctor about this and also see a psychiatrist. If it's only been 3 months there is a lot of hope. I've been this way for 4 1/2 years.

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Posted 17 July 2009 - 12:20 AM

I have anhedonia as a side effect of my depression with a former bout of psychosis, which I believe brought it on. I don't feel too much emotion maybe 40%? I feel anger, worry, and some joy, (when I have good energy, which is rare due to my problem.)

But I don't feel nearly as sad about the death of my mother, even though she was my favorite human being in the world. So this is quite tragic.

I also can't feel high's or even buzzes from alcohol; it's terrible.

But some days I can feel a little buzzed so there is hope for me.

I would imagine there is hope for you too, but like you said some mental conditions last for life, like the cognitive impairments in schizophrenia, that is according to some studies.

So see your doctor about this and also see a psychiatrist. If it's only been 3 months there is a lot of hope. I've been this way for 4 1/2 years.



The problem with mine is that it is progressively getting worse not better since my withdrawal. Like I had 90% of everything after my last dose of ativan then I lost my ability to start feeling anything. First it was music then movies then food. I have almost 100% anhedonia now. I need it to reverse not keep going in this direction.

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Posted 17 July 2009 - 12:24 AM

The problem with mine is that it is progressively getting worse not better since my withdrawal. Like I had 90% of everything after my last dose of ativan then I lost my ability to start feeling anything. First it was music then movies then food. I have almost 100% anhedonia now. I need it to reverse not keep going in this direction.



Anehdonia is awful. It feels pointless to do stuff when you don't get pleasure from any of it. But like I said, it's only been a few months, not years. See how things go, and keep on talking to doctors, if you haven't already. Good luck man!

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Posted 17 July 2009 - 01:46 AM

Anehdonia is awful. It feels pointless to do stuff when you don't get pleasure from any of it. But like I said, it's only been a few months, not years. See how things go, and keep on talking to doctors, if you haven't already. Good luck man!



The problem is everyone is having a hard time believing me. I didn't think this was possible myself. If one loses their emotions life becomes mind over matter. This is the worst thing that has ever happened to me. I guess if my emotions totally leave me there will be little fear left either to just end it. I was standing in a lightning storm wanting to get hit today b/c I can't see living this way. Hopefully things reverse if or when they go down to 0. I am basically living by a prayer right now. I am praying a lot more even though I can't feel much. I just hope my prayers get answered. I can probably prove my condition if it goes to 0 considering I would be able to down 100 ativans at once and not get any physical response at all. Or any drug for that matter. Now a drug that would affect the cognitive side (hippocampus) of the brain tho would probably knock me out easily. That would provide pure brain damage tho. I was thinking of going to Upenn to see a doctor about this as my psychiatrist got me access but I would probably just get labeled a schitzo or some bs even tho this was all drug induced. I still might do it if I can get specific tests done that can monitor emotional stimuli which I know exist.

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Posted 22 July 2009 - 04:38 PM

Currently I noticed that when I take ativan I am regaining more emotions back but it is just prolonging the effect of me losing all my emotions. I took 4mg of ativan at once and barely felt anything but was able to cry a little bit a guess more so than before. I was also running and eating fruits and vegetables to increase the effect and was managing to increase my sleep. This is by no means a cure but a measure I am taking in order to prevent me to lose all my emotions completely till I can find a way to reverse this. I can feel music a little bit now although not nearly as well as before. I consider this condition to be degenerative in a sense considering it is progressively getting worse each day and the drugs are only allowing me to hold on just a little bit longer. Soon I will need 100 ativans to get me to sleep. What I think happened in my brain is that the ativan's healing mechanism in my body was basically causing me to become like the drug. Instead of the normal rebound effect people get which I had on withdrawal afterwards I was progressively getting more like the drug. I had loose muscles no pain..It was like I am on the drug all the time I would have no emotions or no pain. B/c ativan blocks all neurotransmitters firing. I am essentially going to be a sleeping duck in the emotion department. I will no longer be able to experience pain or pleasure in an emotional sense. My first theory was to continually give ativan a lot to induce a chance in the receptor responsible for acting like the drug to induce some kind of paradoxical response. But now I see it is just more of a prolonging effect but if I am lucky it still might fix it with luck. There is a drug in Mexico that is able to unbind benzo receptors but I am not sure that is the one for me or not. People also reported anhedonia and insomnia for that but also IBS which I dont have. I will keep my options open. I am wondering if anyone knows anything about reversing inverse agonist gaba-a receptor.? I also get 0 withdrawal effects from ativan. I can take 100 pills 5 days in a row and nothing would happen the next days...I am trying to induce a withdrawal effect however to reverse the receptor response.

On a side not ---I tried gabapentin which was a drug that used to knock me out for sleep and noticed it took away 100% of my emotions with no ability to sleep whatsoever....SO the problem is that my gaba expression is completely altered and need to figure out how to reverse it back.

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 12:52 AM

I hate to say this, because I've gone down this path myself and it's hard to break that cognitive style: you don't know what's going on with the receptors in your brain, and your neurotransmitter systems are by and large too complex to understand once you've been through polypharmacy. Likewise most drugs are not "pure" ligands... they show activity in various degrees at other receptors, and basically the researchers just look at the areas receptors that show the most prominent binding in vitro and tout the activity at these receptors as being the true MOA of the drug. People talking in vague generalizations about dopamine, norepinephrine, serotonin, GABA, and acetylcholine bugs the hell out of me on this site, and this toxic mentality is best exemplified by that jackass Braverman and his test. Keep in mind, though I know myself how terrible it is to hear this and how little you will want to believe it, that your cognition is very much affected by your condition; not in terms of you being crazy, but rather in terms of desperation. It's a path I've walked myself, and continue to walk even though I do my best to keep my thoughts, hopes, and understanding of the world in alignment with reality.
Anyways here's the point: the drugs may well have screwed you up, or (more likely) exacerbated an underlying condition; you need to work on finding an evidence-based solution to your depression, and yes that's what it is even if it's an obscure presentation with an iatrogenic component. Do your absolute best to wean off the Ativan. A benzo-naive patient taking 4mg at once would probably need a paramedic to breathe for them-- that's a higher dosage than what emergency medicine uses to control status eplepticus. Of course, on that note, don't go cold turkey; there's a good chance you will have a seizure. I recommend seeking a system of support while doing this, including both family and a therapist. If you can develop a slow weaning schedule, i.e. three months, and have friends or family ration your Ativan that would be ideal.
In the meantime I would pursue aggressive monotherapy with an antidepressant. I don't know your full history, but if you've gone through sufficient trials of SSRI's you might consider asking for a tricyclic. MAOI's are also an option, but I think the docs would be very wary of giving you those until you taper off the Ativan. Of course, this is just a suggestion, given the best I know. I wish I knew enough to give you more than an educated guess. Any which way, good luck.

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Posted 26 July 2009 - 05:37 PM

StrangeAeons, the thing is I can't induce another withdrawal response anymore and I won't get a seizure if I stopped. I feel no withdrawal at all from ativan at all anymore. I took 2 the other day then 5 the next and instead of calming me like it did before it has a kind of paradoxical effect of giving me some emotions. This is all very strange. I was 99% numb 2 weeks ago till I started to take the drug again everyday just to feel emotions and it reversed a little but not enough. I think it might be slowing my complete numbing down or possibly can build up emotions somehow. But I don't know wtf is going on honestly. My brain is 100% numb basically without ativan but with it I have some emotions. No withdrawal response and very little if any respitory depression on high ass doses. Also supplements have no effect at all whereas in the past they have had an effect. I have no adrenal response either. No fight or flight...I am thinking this could have something to do with my brain numbing itself out as a protection response. I can't feel any pleasure anymore unless I have taken a lot of ativan and I think its wearing off also as mentioned before 0 withdrawal response. This is in the realms of depersonalization I think but I am not completely sure either b/c as we know symptoms with various diagnoses overlap. In the past I have used max doses of SSRIs for 3.5 years ativan and topamax for a short bit for and took risperdal for a short while in '05 if you read my prior post. I was trying to restore my libido which was coming back slowly till I was forced to take ativan to calm me down about prior issues. I got addicted to benzos inadvertantly b/c of the pain it caused and got misdiagnosed with tmj b/c of my jaw injury and that exacerbating it b/c of interdose withdrawal that I did not know about and not knowing how to get off of it and believing I needed it for my pain condition that it exacerbated. I am so upset but I am praying thats all I can do is pray to G-d that he can save me. Drugs no longer work the same in me anymore since getting off ativan. Basically nothing works at all. I remember when I got off ativan I had a strange fog over me then that fog somehow came down in me instead of lifted. I was also depersonalized when I went off the ativan for a short while but that too went away. It is like I lost a part of my soul and it went away from my body in a sense.

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Posted 06 August 2009 - 10:00 AM

First of all 4mgs of any benzo ain't jack**** once you build a tolerance which takes as little as several days. Never heard of anyone needing assisted breathing either, unless it's with liters upon liters of alcohol. When you have status epilepticus in the emergency room, the bioavailability of a benzo increases significantly if not exponentially. Considering they usually inject it in the mainline, why do more? Oral administration is a different beast.

Either way I've been down the slippery slope of benzodiazepine abuse, albeit on a much smaller scale. Keep in mind that benzos stay in your body for a very long time. The half life of most "daily anxyolytics" is around 48 hours, Xanax significantly less. So if you're still emotionless (this is a perfectly normal side effect by the way, I had that too but for a shorter time. I was back within about 2-3 months, but I was also doing stimulants and other drugs at the time) you may want to just tough it out.

The actual withdrawals don't even start until a significant portion of the dose is out of your system, so it can easily take months. I've heard some people taking a year or more to fully get off after decades of benzo use.

Clonazepam and a few other benzos also affect serotonin, dopamine and other neurotransmitters in a subtle way so that could all be a part of it. 

I personally got very lucky because my body developed a TOTAL intolerance to ANY benzodiazepine agent and I'm so glad. Basically we'd all take these benzos from the same batch and my friends would say it's all good and gravy, but I'd end up basically puking up bile, mucus and all kinds of other crap for about the duration of the effect (yeah 24 hours, puke every 3-4, nice isn't it?) and it would barely feel like placebo effect-wise.

So my body basically communicated with my brain which said: "This dumb ass is gonna get hooked on benzos for good if you don't do something about it". 

Sadly, my sleep patterns never really returned to normal so unless I'm out cold after exercise, sex, or a stressful day, I sleep like complete and total crap. 

Either way, gettin off benzos is tough and presents tons of challenges down the road - the main one is called dealing with life without a chemical crutch, that is hard as hell, I wish you luck and all the power to ya to get off that bs.

Another thing about it is that you get "the whole nine" when it comes to side effects and getting off. Pretty much any and every negative effect possible will be there. Really, I wish you much luck because I've had former junkies telling me they'd much rather suffer heroin withdrawals for months, than a benzo withdrawal for even a couple of days.

It is possible and people have done it before so just tough up and you'll pull through. One more thing: DON'T do antidepressants, they're a short term solution and will only give you more trouble down the road.

Edited by russianBEAR, 06 August 2009 - 10:10 AM.


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Posted 06 August 2009 - 01:01 PM

http://www.raysaheli.../anhedonia.html

If you are insulin resistant and have exhausted adrenals, recovery time, just from these two physical problems (eating correctly and taking supplements) is a minimum of two years.

Now throw in dopamine depletion from benzos and recovery, provided that the body is given high quality nutrition, is much longer. Healing takes time.

My problem is too much uncontrollable adrenaline putting me in a hyperstate of fight or flight 24/7. My adrenals are shot. I finally sought help from an alternative endocrinologist and have been able to sleep two hours at a time. Now, after five months of supplements and eating complementary foods using food combining and eating for my blood type, the constant anxiety mostly only appears in the early am when cortisol and insulin dance around with each other.

I have a long way to go. Probably another couple of years. Then, I will start to taper off Paxil. You need sleep, so sleep whenever you can, even if it means 24/7. If I could sleep more than two hours at a time, I know I'd heal much faster.

Don't despair. It will pass. Give it time. Lots of time.

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Posted 06 August 2009 - 01:06 PM

I also wanted to add that when adrenals are exhausted, which I'm pretty sure yours are, exercise, especially running and playing tennis is not a good thing. Walking, stretching, and maybe a little strength training (5 minutes a day). Mostly sleep, sleep, sleep. Some people sleep 12 hours a day for six months at time when going through a healing crisis.

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Posted 15 August 2009 - 03:59 AM

chelated, when i read this I thought I had wrote it, i even started withdrawal at the same time in april w/ ativan, but what really killed my feelings was gabapentin (neurontin). I don't enjoy movies which used to be my favorite thing or sex or food, but i still have music thank God. I think the key is try find sth new to enjoy, but for libido there's hersolution (if you're a female). Right now I'm just waiting this phase out, I mean I think the more often you take ativan, the longer it'll take to get your emotions back. I think I am gaining them back really slowly, but generally I'm completely empty. Caffeine helps for excitement, but it makes me nervous, but anyway, let me know if it gets better, I think we're on the same page.

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Posted 07 September 2009 - 02:32 PM

It sounds indeed like you're suffering from depersonalization disorder. I had it a while ago as well, when I went through a period of intense stress and anxiety, and it's a terrible feeling. I think the depersonalization is a mechanism of the brain to cope with extreme stress. It's common in benzodiazepine withdrawal and it's hard to believe at this time, but in many cases it will resolve eventually.

Have you considered Bupropion/Wellbutrin for your diminished libido? This dopamine/norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor is sometimes used to treat sexual dysfunction.

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Posted 10 September 2009 - 10:26 PM

I am experiencing this as well after going on SSRI's. i noticed the supplement fish oil actually made these problems even worse. i've noticed 5-htp to be somewhat helpful in bringing back emotions. I also take adderall, which helps.

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Posted 11 September 2009 - 01:43 AM

also I forgot to say that i have a problem with not responding to any drugs (alcohol, caffiene) And I also have pretty bad cognitive deficits, mostly in speaking, and a general slowness, brain fog, etc.




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