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1st time phenylethylamine user..... my experience....


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#31 stayin_alive

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 08:49 AM

I'm very surprised that while there is some info out there about this combination, the information that I'm most concerned with and several other lessor issues are not to be found anywhere.

I suspect that people have either not played around with this stuff well enough to know what it can do or that such people are wisely not posting to keep the feds away. Nevertheless, I seek your wise help!

guys, I have been playing with the PEA deprenyl combo for some time. Initially, it was all caution and low doses incremented at 10 mg to find the various effects.

Lately however, I have been doing massive doses and frequent dosing. I am concerned with the following areas and seek your assistance in addressing or dealing with them.

1) Erections. I get super god damned motherfucking freaky horny at my current doses (the effect at this dose is precisely what I am after) but I cannot get an erection even with pde-5 inhibotors and a good woman doing her best orally (which normally works real well.) Is there anything one can do to get the high, get and maintain an erection? This would be wonderful if I could achieve all the goals.

2) heat beat. Scenario - I've dosed and redosed at 30 min intervals and using about 300 mg PEA per dose. After many hours of course I have some heart beat issues, but I do a few push ups, slow my breathing, smoke a cig and it seems all is well - at least no massive beating heart. Ok, so later I stop dosing for about an hour and a half maybe two. I drink a few gulps of my dose (at most I get is half or 150 mg) 10-15 mins later heart beat feels uncontrollable - something less than pounding, but almost pounding. A couple push ups doees not do the trick.
2a) is there a reason why after stop dosing for 1.5 hours and then return with less than half would have this effect?
2b) Is there any sort of immediate action/pill/etc., one should have on hand and or be privy of, in the event the physiological effects become dangerous.
2c) what are signs of such danger?

3) What, if any, are the adverse effects of taking x amount of PEA is given time range? I've heard of by products that result from PEA metabolism not being good. Any truth to this? Anything else one should consider when high dose/freq redosing?

4) does anyone else experience what I can only call, the impression of an upset stomach? I feel at times as if I could throw up. It doesn't happen, but I feel as though I need to find a bag.

5) effects on PEA on mouth, throat and stomach?

6) I get dry mouth/cotton mouth at the higher doses as well. Why is this and what can be done to alleviate or address the issue?

7) what are you using PEA for? if getting high is your response, please do not comment. I find that getting high is one valid use, but staying awake all night is another handy one. also getting hornier than a damned toad is another. Are there other benefits?

8) I find after several hours of fun that my skin is all sweaty, yet I feel good and not hot or cold. Later after discontinuing, I require a lower temp to keep comfortably cool. What is going on?


My main issue is the erection. I'm pretty good at not over doing it, but I did loose control one night. Dosing was 100 mg and at one point I really wanted a stronger buzz and began drinking mega doses every 5-10 mins. In the end I threw up - just out of nowhere. One minute I felt fine. I got up and blew chunks. Was fine for 15 mins and began blowing chunks again. In retrospect, I hadn't eaten in like 18 hours. So I now feel I should schedule strategic food times.

this shit rocks in my opinion. I am certainly fine tuning the functions of PEA as they seem to be quite broad. In the end I hope to document what doses work for me. I have already built tolerance apparently more than threefold, which is interesting considering:

The effects of phenylethylamine in rhesus monkeys

JR Tinklenberg, JC Gillin, GM Murphy Jr, R Staub and RJ Wyatt
In controlled experiments rhesus monkeys that had received phenylethylamine (PEA) demonstrated behavior similar to that reported after the administration of amphetamines, except that tolerance to PEA did not develop. These findings are of psychiatric interest because PEA is found in the human body and is a specific substrate for type B MAO, which is found in decreased quantities in certain schizophrenic patients.


However and clearly, it is now taking 300 mg to do what last week took 100 mg.

Edited by stayin_alive, 14 August 2009 - 08:57 AM.

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#32 kilgoretrout

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Posted 14 August 2009 - 05:10 PM

What are signs of danger? How about rapid uncomfortable heartbeat? You have that? I'd say you're in danger now.

So to sum up:
- huge extremely frequent megadoses with large tolerance developing
- rapid uncomfortable heartbeat
- going for 18 hours without food (along with megadoses of this powerful bioactive substance, and wondering why stomach feels kinda upset... duh!)
- sudden uncontrollable multiple vomiting (your body systems are saying, something is toxic in here and very wrong with us and this is our last ditch effort to desperately trigger vomiting just in case he ate something poison is what the problem is)
- complete inability to get an erection even with the best medical grade boner pills available (let me guess, in very large much higher-than-recommended doses & frequency)

So if you are on a quest for amplified sexual gratification, it should be obvious at this point that THIS IS NOT THE WAY!

I would say that the NEXT higher level of "warning sign" your body is going to be able to give you is cardiac arrest or stroke.. and you may not have time to turn around, come back, and change directions at that point... dead end, literally is a real possibility.

Keep in mind that what can seem in porno films like cosmically satisfying epic mythic grandeur levels of pleasure and gratification... dude, it's just a stupid movie! That is NOT real, it is a non-existent illusion being created on the screen to help your have orgasms, but chasing those sort of ultimate-level experiences for yourself in real life by any means necessary, is a foolish thing. What appear to be excruciatingly intense levels of god-like pleasure are an illusory impression created by a skillfully reinforcing combination of elements like an animation, that should not be taken as as anything real... sure the actors probably felt real good, but, dude, not THAT good, you know? It was the film makers who took that raw material and transformed it with editing and music and lighting and photographic methods and time-changes and repetition and skillfully constructed angles, etc. into some ultimate experience that sure can be a real blast to view, but it can be too easy to become obsessed with chasing at great cost to yourself physically and psychologically, something that is an unreal fantasy, nothing more.

But if you are intent on pursuing just a really really intense good sex time, hey cool... but as I said above... it sure sounds like you have enough evidence that the PEA/Deprenyl + ??? road is NOT the way... quit while you still can, go back, and try something else.

Edited by kilgoretrout, 14 August 2009 - 05:16 PM.

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#33 stayin_alive

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Posted 15 August 2009 - 01:49 PM

I do appreciate the concern and seriousness of your post. Honestly.


What are signs of danger? How about rapid uncomfortable heartbeat? You have that? I'd say you're in danger now.


I can not say I've experienced sustained or prolonged uncomfortable heart beat. On the occasion (a few times) I felt I perhaps should do some push ups and slow down my breathing, which I did as a precaution and I think maybe I was too cautious and didn't really require it, but did them anyway. It can't hurt to do some pushups at any given time.

I'd hope for some objective measure for this or accompanying symptom. I'll purchase a pulse watch or something.

So to sum up:
- huge extremely frequent megadoses with large tolerance developing
Megadose is a varied term. I hear of people taking upwards of a gram at time, even on MAOi. Me, I've never taken more than 300 mgs at one time. And just to add, I never start out on a high dose, I start at 100 mg to see if I feel it, add 25-50 mgs increments until I find that which hits me
- rapid uncomfortable heartbeat
Rapid yes, uncomfortable - I'm not so sure.
- going for 18 hours without food (along with megadoses of this powerful bioactive substance, and wondering why stomach feels kinda upset... duh!)
right, see megadose answer above. If I take the same amount over hours that other people take in one shot on an empty stomach, it seems reasonable to wonder why it might produce an upset stomach.
- sudden uncontrollable multiple vomiting (your body systems are saying, something is toxic in here and very wrong with us and this is our last ditch effort to desperately trigger vomiting just in case he ate something poison is what the problem is)
right, that was one night being stupid, caught up in the action - not unlike your first or second time drinking. It was stupid. However, I was wondering if there was something other than that going on. Such as ..I don't know.
- complete inability to get an erection even with the best medical grade boner pills available (let me guess, in very large much higher-than-recommended doses & frequency)
Actually, no. Just a single pill for the recommended doses.
So if you are on a quest for amplified sexual gratification, it should be obvious at this point that THIS IS NOT THE WAY!

I would say that the NEXT higher level of "warning sign" your body is going to be able to give you is cardiac arrest or stroke.. and you may not have time to turn around, come back, and change directions at that point... dead end, literally is a real possibility.

So typically the only symptoms leading to cardiac arrest are rapid uncomfortable heart rate?

But if you are intent on pursuing just a really really intense good sex time, hey cool... but as I said above... it sure sounds like you have enough evidence that the PEA/Deprenyl + ??? road is NOT the way... quit while you still can, go back, and try something else.


True enough, at some level of dose the result is a high level of obsession and that part is fun. Although I wish I could change some things about the whole experience and it's effects. If not, then not. The novelty has mostly worn off anyhow. Nevertheless, I do see a good many uses for this combo that do not require nearly as high dosing.

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 09:06 PM

Any suggestions of a good ratios of selegine/pea?

Edited by tritium, 10 March 2010 - 09:15 PM.


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Posted 10 March 2010 - 11:14 PM

I actually think it's rather pathetic to take PEA just for a buzz, like some child who in their desperate and puerile attempt to be anything but sober, downs the first legal psychoactive they can get their hands on. Why not start eating copious amounts of nutmeg or choking down bottles of cough syrup? A 15 minute high? How desperate are you?

There are far better legal (or illegal if you prefer) ways to get high for sustained periods, with little physiological ill effect.
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#36 winston

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 01:30 AM

I've been on 5mg/day deprenyl for a few weeks now and today I finally took enough PEA to feel it. First I took just 250mg, which didn't do anything. An hour later I took another 150mg or so, for a total of 400. After 20 minutes or so I started feeling a kind of inner pressure/tension. For the first few minutes it had a negative "feel" to it, then it switched to positive for 5 minutes, then back to negative.
In the negative stages it was more tense and I was more depressed, in the positive I felt motivated and less anxious.

I ended up going to bed and sleeping it off for 45 minutes. When I woke up the effects were gone. It probably lasted such a short time because the initial 250mg dose had been taken earlier.

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Posted 26 June 2010 - 12:57 AM

Hello

I just found this topic, & am taking it very seriously.



kilgoretrout posted a very helpfull reply earlier in this thread & he is 100% correct..
& i know i really need some advice here.

Mephedrone was recently made illegal & since then i have been both "thankfull" that its not so easy to get but also sad because i loved that "horny" feeling i got from it, even if it didnt last too long.

All the dry mouth, & other bad side effects & re-dosing seem to nearly mirror PEA combo with mephedrone.

After research i bought the combo but it hasnt arrived yet. You know i am going to try it out. or at least PEA on its own.

I really dont want to get "into" doing this too often or mabe even at all.. but the fact is im dearly missing the feeling.

kilgoretrout though, has addressed the "ROOT" of the problem perfectly, responsibly and realisticaly (for me)

Yes its true those porn videos are "fake"
Yes its true we should persue real life sex without stimulants and concentrate on our healthy & "natural" re balance of reward systems...

Some people have stated earlier in this thread that the "combo" is not the way to go if chasing enhanced sexual gratifications.

& there are safer alternatives.

kilgoretrout simply says dont chase them. keep it real.

I find this an important subject to talk about.

I would like to discuss either these safer better ways on this path.. or i would like to discuss the best route to a cure for this "problem" to be able to return to being a healthy regular human with adequate natural reward systems revived.

Because i am admiting yes i too currently just want to get dirty & horny as hell while being able to keep erections and indulge.

Its not right, i know this.

Thats why i join this discussion.. as out of many places on the internet i have been reading about this.. nowhere has addressed the issues as perfectly as this thread has.

Regardless of if anyone can help, reply or discuss this.. I just want to say thankyou for a very helpfull thread. :rolleyes:

voyage.

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Posted 26 June 2010 - 01:59 AM

one more thing...

Pramipexole is a dopamine agonist that can produce effects similar to those previously discussed.. enhanced reward mechanism from sex and other activitys.. but also its a blood pressure "reducer"

interesting that Pramipexole creates this sexual lust effect but lowers bloos pressure.. while the selegline + PEA combo creates the lust but raises blood pressure.

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 07:44 PM

Voyage, glad I could be of assistance.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Thanks for the info on Pramipexole. Very interesting. &nbsp;Have you tried it yet? &nbsp;If so to what result?</div>

Edited by kilgoretrout, 22 July 2010 - 07:46 PM.


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Posted 22 July 2010 - 08:09 PM

I actually think it's rather pathetic to take PEA just for a buzz, like some child who in their desperate and puerile attempt to be anything but sober, downs the first legal psychoactive they can get their hands on. Why not start eating copious amounts of nutmeg or choking down bottles of cough syrup? A 15 minute high? How desperate are you?

There are far better legal (or illegal if you prefer) ways to get high for sustained periods, with little physiological ill effect.

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PEA is complete garbage.

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Posted 22 July 2010 - 08:27 PM

I actually think it's rather pathetic to take PEA just for a buzz, like some child who in their desperate and puerile attempt to be anything but sober, downs the first legal psychoactive they can get their hands on. Why not start eating copious amounts of nutmeg or choking down bottles of cough syrup? A 15 minute high? How desperate are you?

There are far better legal (or illegal if you prefer) ways to get high for sustained periods, with little physiological ill effect.

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PEA is complete garbage.


It's worth it to try maybe once, as it is quite the experience, but people taking recreational doses frequently are asking for trouble.. almost certainly.
combining a unknown amount of mao-b inhibition with a stimulant which has very little record of being used in that way is reckless. Also, I've noticed that PEA HCL is seems like it would cause havoc to your stomach if used in any frequency.




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