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[nancyd]

These are what I chose for prevention/maintenance.

Upon rising at least 1/2 hour before eating:
500 mg acetyl l-carnitine
500 mg NAC (might stop NAC when bottle is finished)

Breakfast:
Garden of Life raw organic green superfood


These are distributed throughout day:
Biosil 10 mg
Jarrow lutein 20 mg
Now lycopene 10 mg
Now L-Carnosine 500 mg
Now vitamin D-3 5,000IU every other day
Now Pycnogenol 120 mg
Now Selenium 200 mg
Nature's Way Gotu Kola 900 mg
Jarrow CoQ-10 90 mg
AOR Ortho Bone 1000 mg
Now Glisodin 200 mg
Nature's Way Hawthorn 800 mg
Nature's Way Pomegranate 800 mg
Now Axtaxanthin 4mg
Now Calcium Ascorbate 500 mg
Now ascorbic acid sustained release 100 mg
Country Life chelated zinc 50 mg
Jarrows MSM 2000 mg
Now Alpha Lipoic Acid 600 mg (switching to R-ALA when done)
Jarrow B-Right B Complex formula
Nordic Naturals Omega 3 fish oil 2000mg
Jarrows mk7 90 mg
Jarrows methyl b-12 1000 mg every other day
Nature's Life Vitamin A from fish liver oil 10,000IU every 2 or 3 days
Designer Whey protein powder 19 grams protein


Country Life Essential Life multi:
Vitamin A (as retinylpalmitate & 8% as beta carotene) 10,000 I.U. 200%
Vitamin C (as ascorbic acid) 500 mg 833%
Vitamin D (as ergocalcferol) 200 I.U. 50%
Vitamin E (as d-alpha tocopheryland succinate) 200 I.U. 667%
Vitamin K (as phytonadione) 50 mcg 63%
Thiamin †† (vitamin B-1) (as thiamin HCI, thiamine cocarboxylase) 25 mg 1,667%
Riboflavin †† (vitamin B-2) (as riboflavin, riboflavin 5' phosphate) 25 mg 1,471%
Niacin †† (as inositol hexaniacinate) 100 mg 500%
Vitamin B-6 †† (as pyridoxine HCI pyridoxal 5/' phosphate, PAK) 34 mg 1,700%
Folic Acid †† 400 mcg 100%
Vitamin B-12 ††(as dibencozide) 100 mcg 1,667%
d-Biotin †† 200 mcg 67%
Pantothenic Acid †† (as d-calciumpantothenate, pantethine) 30 mg 300%
Calcium (as calcium citrate, aspartatecarbonate, alpha-ketoglucarate, lysinate) 158 mg 16%
Iron (as ferrous fumarate) 5 mg 28%
Iodine (as kelp) 125 mcg 83%
Magnesium (as magnesium oxide) 300 mg 75%
Zinc (as zinc citrate) 15 mg 100%
Selenium (as amino acid chelate) 50 mcg 71%
Copper (as amino acid chelate) 2 mg 100%
Manganese (as manganese citrate) 10 mg 500%
Chromium (as chromiumpolynicotinate) 200 mcg 167%
Molybdenum (as amino acid chelate) 50 mcg 67%
Potassium (as potassium citrate) 99 mg 3%
Enzyme Blend†•Bromelain (2,400 GDU/g) •Papain (2,000 USP Units/mg) •Lipase (1,000 LU/g) 50 mg *
Ginkgo Biloba Extract (leaf) (24% flavoglycosides equal to 12 mg, 6% terpene lactonese equal to 3 mg) 50 mg *
Milk Thistle (seed) (80% silymarinequal to 24 mg) 30 mg *
Inositol †† (as inositol hexaniacinate) 25 mg *
PAK (pyridoxine alpha-ketoglutarate) 25 mg *
Grape Skin Extract † (25% polyphenolsequal to 6.25 mg inlcuding proanthcyandins) 25 mg *
PABA †† (para-aminobenzoic acid) 15 mg *
Horsetail Extract † (leaf/stem) 7.5 mg *
Gallic Acids 5 mg *
Vanadium (from 3mg vanadyl sulfate) 900 mcg *
Boron (as boron amino acid chelate, citrate aspartate, picolinate, alpha-ketoglutarate)) 1 mg *
Silica (from horsetail extract 2:1) 0.5 mg *
alpha-Lipoic Acid† (thioctic acid) 50 mcg

Edited by nancyd, 31 August 2009 - 12:42 AM.

[nameless]

After a quick glance, a couple of things stick out to me.

Why so much zinc? With your multi you are at 65mg/daily.
250mcg selenium daily is an awful lot too. May be a diabetes risk with that dose.
Some of the dosages in that multi are higher than I like. A lot of vitamin A, and high Bs, and high Alpha E only. You may want to use a different form of magnesium than the mag oxide in that multi, as oxide doesn't absorb very well. Multi has very high manganese amount too (half the UL).

And one concern I had about Designer Whey (which could be an unfounded concern) is the fact it contains a whey concentrate instead of an isolate, with a decent cholesterol dose. And cholesterol in whey tends to be oxidized, (from what I have read).

Edited by nameless, 31 August 2009 - 02:06 AM.

[niner]

Agree with nameless. Kind of high doses of some things. I would recommend adding up the various micronutrient amounts from the multi, the Ortho Bone, and anything else you take. If you are motivated, download Cron-O-Meter and look at what you're getting from your diet. At least then you would know what your true intake is. The extent to which you absorb nutrients is another factor. Some people have malaborption problems; the best way to know how you are doing is by getting blood levels of nutrients. That works better for some nutrients than others, but it's the best approach. You can get a lot of things tested through your doctor, like 25-OH-vitamin D3, and some other vitamins and minerals. For other things you might need a specialty lab like Kronos. I'm not that crazy about supra-RDA dosing in the absence of a particular reason. (aside from vitamin D, where the RDA is wrong.)

[nancyd]

Thanks for the feedback. I purchased Zinc Status and didn't taste anything so I bought the extra zinc supplement. I usually just get zinc from a multi. The high B intake is for energy. Otherwise, the energy level seems akin to anemia levels (while taking iron too.) I don't have insurance but my doctor orders the 25 hydroxy D test without an in-person visit for only $25. I was thinking of doing a hair analysis for nutrients. I wonder if this is equivalent to a blood test.

Nameless, what brand of whey protein isolate powder do you use-if you take it?

Edited by nancyd, 31 August 2009 - 03:36 AM.

[nameless]

Thanks for the feedback. I purchased Zinc Status and didn't taste anything so I bought the extra zinc supplement. I usually just get zinc from a multi. The high B intake is for energy. Otherwise, the energy level seems akin to anemia levels (while taking iron too.) I don't have insurance but my doctor orders the 25 hydroxy D test without an in-person visit for only $25. I was thinking of doing a hair analysis for nutrients. I wonder if this is equivalent to a blood test.

Nameless, what brand of whey protein isolate powder do you use-if you take it?

Correction of a zinc deficiency makes sense then. I'm not sure how long it'll take to correct it, but short term dosing may be safe. Interesting that you mentioned Zinc Status, as I did that test almost a year ago and did really poorly on it. I supplemented with 30 mg Zinc Citrate for about a month or so, then dropped it to 15mg, and finally got some taste from the Status. I'm curious what a proper response to the test is... I ended up tasting something, but it wasn't a strong taste. I guess I probably should retest that.

Oh, and for future testing, I think Thorne sells the same liquid zinc as used in Zinc Status on iHerb now. It's like $5, much more affordable than Zinc Status is.

I'm not sure how accurate hair testing is. There was a pubmed study where they found various labs with levels all over the place. Their conclusion was that the hair mineral studies aren't especially accurate.

I'm not currently using whey, although have been considering it. I was thinking of trying Biochem, but I've been waiting for the weather to cool down a little, so I can order some supplements without worrying about them boiling in the sun during delivery.

I ran across the cholesterol thing when trying to pick a whey supplement, and found it weird how oxidized cholesterol goes unmentioned a lot or is overlooked. To me, it'd seem to be a big thing, although I know some people here use concentrates or Designer Whey. Maybe the choesterol levels are too low to matter? To be safe, I think I'd go with an isolate though.

And you may want to reduce your multi dose or go for a multi with lower levels of some things. And it may not be a bad idea to take a magnesium supplement separately (an Albion chelate is a good one).

[Lufega]

take the glisodin first thing in the morning fasted. Should be ok with your other morning supps.