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[ShnikeJSB]

Hello again. I have been taking Alpha-GPC with Piracetam (both in powdered form with water -- nasty stuff) for exactly 3 weeks now. I asked in 2 different threads if this was a good dosage, but I didn't get any replies. So, I just figured this was about right:

In the Morning when I wake up -- 1/8 tsp Alpha-GPC + 1/2 tsp Piracetam
In the Evening at dinner time -- 1/8 tsp Alpha-GPC + 1/2 tsp Piracetam

When I first started taking it (for the first several days or so), a bit later I would be noticeably dizzy and more often than not had weird pressure headaches sorta thing on the back of my neck/lower skull area, as well as a bit of a "slow to react or think/stuffed head" sorta deal. It was VERY much like how I feel when I wake up after taking a sleeping pill (which affects me pretty much the entire next day). But, I figured it was just me getting used to the stuff. It has gotten better in that regard (though I still get reduced symptoms of that sort sometimes after taking it), but I have yet to feel any noticeable positive improvements in ANY way.

Should I be taking more of either one? Less? I am not sure where to go from here. I am starting to feel like this was a massive waste of money!

Thanks for the help in advance!


(PS -- Oh yeah, I almost forgot. I have been an insomniac since being unemployed since January, and since taking this stuff, it has been even worse! I'm not sure if it is related, but I thought I would throw that in there, too. I'm sure I'll get people saying to take Melatonin...)

Edited by ShnikeJSB, 31 August 2009 - 07:34 AM.

[Imagination]

If your not getting enough sleep then the nootropics are likely to be uneffective. You've got to care care of the basics first. Sleep, diet etc...

I can see how being unemployed can cause the insomnia, usually if I've had a lazy weekend and not done much, like sitting round all day I find it difficult too sleep. I need to have done enough physically and mentally during the day to need the sleep.

What are you taking the nootropics for? I don't really "feel" anything of piracetam, just notice an improvement in work/studying. If your not using it for a good reason, i.e. not working or studying, then I can't see what your taking it for and you are unlikely to get much out of it.

[ShnikeJSB]

Link to one of my original threads talking about why I think I thought I'd need Noots.

It isn't that I am not getting ENOUGH sleep -- I may go to bed at 5AM, but I get up at like 1PM-2PM. It sucks. And I DO do things during the time I am awake -- it's not like I am sedentary. Unemployed doesn't mean sitting on my @$$ all day... I work out, go out with friends and/or my girlfriend, play video games, read magazines, ride my motorcycle, etcetera. So, "stimulation" is not the problem. Maybe I shouldn't have thrown in that last part.

Anyways, I really wish I could see a doctor for some tests, as I think I am either (or both) hypoglycemic and/or have hyperthyroidism. But I can't, being unemployed I have no insurance anymore. I actually just decided to apply for some short term health insurance, so we'll see if I get it. Because if I have either one or BOTH of those conditions, noots will not do anything for me without them being taken care of first!

[russianBEAR]

Everyone's body reacts differently to every substance. Why does every individual case have to have some explanation ? Some people are just not affect by certain substances or a group of substances, or another extreme is they get the worst side effects from the smallest doses.

There's no explanation other than - your body is not affected by this try something else. It doesn't mean something is wrong. I know some people who don't feel anything from noots as well, I know others who don't even feel anything from hard drugs or antidepressants.

I start to feel really shitty on benzos and puking my guts out for ages for instance

[Zoroaster]

I don't know why you'd think you have hyperthyroidism. Are you losing weight? Did you mean HYPOthyroidism? And real hypoglycemia is very rare and has some pretty clear symptoms. A little internet searching should save you a doctors visit on that one. Alternatively, you can buy some glucose tablets from a drug store. If you're feeling foggy, take a couple of them, wait 40 minutes or so, do you feel better? If not then you don't have hypoglycemia.

Also, how many grams/mg of each substance are you taking? If nobody commented on your dosing plans it might be because its kind of hard for us to convert tsp to mg. I take my noots in in pill form and I don't know how exactly those teaspoons transfer over.

[ShnikeJSB]

I don't know why you'd think you have hyperthyroidism. Are you losing weight? Did you mean HYPOthyroidism? And real hypoglycemia is very rare and has some pretty clear symptoms. A little internet searching should save you a doctors visit on that one. Alternatively, you can buy some glucose tablets from a drug store. If you're feeling foggy, take a couple of them, wait 40 minutes or so, do you feel better? If not then you don't have hypoglycemia.

Also, how many grams/mg of each substance are you taking? If nobody commented on your dosing plans it might be because its kind of hard for us to convert tsp to mg. I take my noots in in pill form and I don't know how exactly those teaspoons transfer over.

Woops, I definitely meant HYPOthyroidism! I'm sorry about that! And yes, that is how I even figured that I could have it -- by realizing I have pretty much every symptom for both hypothyroidism and hypoglycemia. I've been battling anxiety and panic attacks since last November, and nothing else works. It is all explained in the link I posted. Oddly, my dad literally just got his thyroid operated on because he had nodes on it. I find multiple links with titles such as "Anxiety and Panic Attacks, a Common Occurrence in Hypothyroid Patients" and "Anxiety, Panic Attacks, Hypoglycemia and Food" and "Panic Attacks and hypoglycemia caused by eating a high-carbohydrate diet". Symptoms on multiple sites are almost spot-on for me. I think I just really need to be tested for both. If anything, it will ease my mind if they come back negative.

As for amounts, it seems as if I am taking about 2000mg of Piracetam (1/2 tsp) twice daily, and the Alpha-GPC is about 525mg (1/8 tsp) twice daily as well.

Edited by ShnikeJSB, 01 September 2009 - 07:35 AM.

[caffeinehead]

I don't know why you'd think you have hyperthyroidism. Are you losing weight? Did you mean HYPOthyroidism? And real hypoglycemia is very rare and has some pretty clear symptoms. A little internet searching should save you a doctors visit on that one. Alternatively, you can buy some glucose tablets from a drug store. If you're feeling foggy, take a couple of them, wait 40 minutes or so, do you feel better? If not then you don't have hypoglycemia.

Also, how many grams/mg of each substance are you taking? If nobody commented on your dosing plans it might be because its kind of hard for us to convert tsp to mg. I take my noots in in pill form and I don't know how exactly those teaspoons transfer over.

Woops, I definitely meant HYPOthyroidism! I'm sorry about that! And yes, that is how I even figured that I could have it -- by realizing I have pretty much every symptom for both hypothyroidism and hypoglycemia. I've been battling anxiety and panic attacks since last November, and nothing else works. It is all explained in the link I posted. Oddly, my dad literally just got his thyroid operated on because he had nodes on it. I find multiple links with titles such as "Anxiety and Panic Attacks, a Common Occurrence in Hypothyroid Patients" and "Anxiety, Panic Attacks, Hypoglycemia and Food" and "Panic Attacks and hypoglycemia caused by eating a high-carbohydrate diet". Symptoms on multiple sites are almost spot-on for me. I think I just really need to be tested for both. If anything, it will ease my mind if they come back negative.

As for amounts, it seems as if I am taking about 2000mg of Piracetam (1/2 tsp) twice daily, and the Alpha-GPC is about 525mg (1/8 tsp) twice daily as well.

More like HYPOchondriac talk...

[Imagination]

Try treating the panic/anxiety first. Things like magnesium could help. You will be able to think more clearly without the anxiety.

You can quickly tell if you have hypothyroidism by a quick blood test, I couldn't imagine it being expensive.

When did you start the choline? I get panic and anxiety symptoms from taking that.