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[TheFountain]

When I initially began to use this product I was impressed with its even, smooth application and the nice white sheet it left over my face. Unfortunately I was not at first checking my face periodically to see how it dried out. After several days of use I must say I am disappointed with the dried finish of this product. After it dries (as long as I do not move my face) it stays evenly white. But as soon as I smile, or form any facial expression at all, the product forms patches of dried out Bioderma all over my face. This makes me look like ghost with a bad make up job. I do wear moisturizer underneath the sunblock but the patches of dried product are persistent. I am impressed with the initial feel of the product but very disappointed in the finish of it and the fact that it ends up all over my face later on in the day, so much so that people give me strange looks.

[goatz]

When I initially began to use this product I was impressed with its even, smooth application and the nice white sheet it left over my face. Unfortunately I was not at first checking my face periodically to see how it dried out. After several days of use I must say I am disappointed with the dried finish of this product. After it dries (as long as I do not move my face) it stays evenly white. But as soon as I smile, or form any facial expression at all, the product forms patches of dried out Bioderma all over my face. This makes me look like ghost with a bad make up job. I do wear moisturizer underneath the sunblock but the patches of dried product are persistent. I am impressed with the initial feel of the product but very disappointed in the finish of it and the fact that it ends up all over my face later on in the day, so much so that people give me strange looks.


Is there anything you do like?

[miklu]

I do wear moisturizer underneath the sunblock but the patches of dried product are persistent.

Dr. Dean Schultz says sunscreen should be applied before moisturizer in his talk Why You Should Apply Sunscreen First. He covers both chemical and physical sunscreens. (He also has a longer article on the subject.)

BTW, do you apply sunscreen immediately after the moisturizer, or do you let the moisturizer first affect for a while? This too might have an effect on the interplay of your sunscreen and moisturizer.

[immortali457]

I do wear moisturizer underneath the sunblock but the patches of dried product are persistent.

Dr. Dean Schultz says sunscreen should be applied before moisturizer in his talk Why You Should Apply Sunscreen First. He covers both chemical and physical sunscreens. (He also has a longer article on the subject.)

BTW, do you apply sunscreen immediately after the moisturizer, or do you let the moisturizer first affect for a while? This too might have an effect on the interplay of your sunscreen and moisturizer.

I believe the good Doc is wrong. It is most often said to apply a moisturizer before sunscreen. Would you apply a vitamin C serum after sunscreen? Of course not. According to the good Doctor you would. He also does not believe in facial exercises and gives some really piss poor reasons why. Comparing your skin to underwear and paperclips...lol

http://www.smartskin...sicroutine.html

[immortali457]

Edited by immortali457, 13 September 2009 - 02:15 AM.

[Ben]

I do wear moisturizer underneath the sunblock but the patches of dried product are persistent.

Dr. Dean Schultz says sunscreen should be applied before moisturizer in his talk Why You Should Apply Sunscreen First. He covers both chemical and physical sunscreens. (He also has a longer article on the subject.)

BTW, do you apply sunscreen immediately after the moisturizer, or do you let the moisturizer first affect for a while? This too might have an effect on the interplay of your sunscreen and moisturizer.

I believe the good Doc is wrong. It is most often said to apply a moisturizer before sunscreen. Would you apply a vitamin C serum after sunscreen? Of course not. According to the good Doctor you would. He also does not believe in facial exercises and gives some really piss poor reasons why. Comparing your skin to underwear and paperclips...lol

http://www.smartskin...sicroutine.html

His knowledge on skin aging doesn't seem to be exactly up to date. I've seen all the videos.


Re. putting on sunscreen first: you have have to know how each type of sunscreen works. With a purely mineral sunscreen, the particles reflect radiation rather than absorbing it. Therefore it could be arguably said that it would be ok to put it on first and then put a moisturiser over it. However, when putting the moisturiser over the sunscreen you could be disturbing the layer of particles on your skin, and changing their surface area concentration. Putting the sunscreen on after a moisturiser would reduce the risk of this occurring.

Chemical sunscreens though, or suncreens that use mainly chemical filters as their method of photo protection, should always be put on first.

Edited by Ben - Aus, 13 September 2009 - 04:32 AM.

[TheFountain]

Chemical sunscreens though, or suncreens that use mainly chemical filters as their method of photo protection, should always be put on first.

How could serums be effective then when applying them after a chemical sunscreen and what about sunscreens that contain both chemical and physical ingredients? Would this mean that the varying particle sizes would cancel one another out and render it useless? And what about combination sunblocks+moisturizers? Useless if they contain chemical filters?

Edited by TheFountain, 13 September 2009 - 06:12 AM.

[TheFountain]

Is there anything you do like?

Well to be honest there are things I like about almost every sunscreen I have tried. I love the application texture and feel of Bioderma. I love the concept of neutrogena 100spf 'dry touch'. The one that seems to be the least disturbing to apply (in terms of lasting effects) or that causes the least skin damage would be Nivea Light feeling spf50, at least out of of the ones I have tried.

Edited by TheFountain, 13 September 2009 - 06:13 AM.

[immortali457]

Best bet IMO is to not use a separate moisturizer in the morning unless you really need one. Most sunscreens have built in moisturizers anyway. No way would I ever put a serum on after sunscreen.

[zsuzsanna]

Best bet IMO is to not use a separate moisturizer in the morning unless you really need one. Most sunscreens have built in moisturizers anyway. No way would I ever put a serum on after sunscreen.

As i mentioned in another thread the new Bioderma Photoderm Sensitive 50+ has a pretty nice ingredient list, full with nice things so you really don't need a moisturizer under/above it. It's chemical though.

[kismet]

He also does not believe in facial exercises and gives some really piss poor reasons why. Comparing your skin to underwear and paperclips...lol

I do not either until I see randomised, controlled trials. But I'd be interested to hear your rationale, even if I do not consider mere plausibility worth much.

Did you compare to anthelios XL spf50+ (light) or a similar product? And you consider Nivea good? IIRC most of their products are a comedogenic POS.

Edited by kismet, 13 September 2009 - 12:58 PM.

[immortali457]

He also does not believe in facial exercises and gives some really piss poor reasons why. Comparing your skin to underwear and paperclips...lol

I do not either until I see randomised, controlled trials. But I'd be interested to hear your rationale, even if I do not consider mere plausibility worth much.

Did you compare to anthelios XL spf50+ (light) or a similar product? And you consider Nivea good? IIRC most of their products are a comedogenic POS.

I think you'll find this thread interesting. http://www.essential...d.php?tid=35512

What post of mine are you referring to in your second comment?

[kismet]

What post of mine are you referring to in your second comment?

Referring to Fountain's review.

[VesperLynd]

immortalit457: Can you share with us any data you have on the effectiveness of facial exercise?

Thanks, VL

[immortali457]

immortalit457: Can you share with us any data you have on the effectiveness of facial exercise?

Thanks, VL

Well I've only been doing them since last April. My skin is near perfect already (age 43) so nothing really to report as far as positives.
It is a positive to report that I have nothing negative to say about them....lol....in other words...the facial exercises are not giving me wrinkles and making me look older...lol
I've been doing "Ageless if you dare".....it's a very inexpensive program that has a book or you can download the program.
It really gives your skin a work-out. The book really explains why facial exercises are so beneficial.
http://louiseannette...s.com/index.cgi

[TheFountain]

I have barely used the Bioderma Minerale. I will experiment with it a little more some time and see how it applies after some aloe vera oil but currently my sunscreen of choice is garnier ambre solaire UV sensitive spf50. Amazing and cheap.

Edited by TheFountain, 16 February 2010 - 05:04 PM.

[goatz]

is it fragrance free?

[TheFountain]

is it fragrance free?

Absolutely. It as as perfect as a cheap sunscreen can be. And it uses Mexoryl. Better than the more expensive sunscreens I have tried.