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[Johann]

Well I was wrong about the Ani. It does work. I just had to supplement with choline. Until my bottle of bitartrate
gets here I am eating the yolks of 4 hard boiled eggs.

This is one noot I will never stop using. Over the last 36 hours, even being off of it, I was experiencing such an increase in some capacity of my brain that I was not even aware of. I can understand concepts of physics better than ever. Listening to music is now a three dimensional experience that I had forgotten about. I remember having that
3D experience using pot but that was over 20 years ago.

[Johann]

I meant to add that I used it today and didn't have the bad effect. Instead, just the opposite.

[golden1]

yes!

It got even better over time for me. I'm pretty sure I can feel a positive difference compared to before I started taking it even when its out of my system.
I dont think my vision will ever be the same, I feel like it's changed permanently for the better, but I'm not sure if I ever want to stop taking aniracetam for more than a couple days so I may never know hahaa

[Algear Linebra]

I'm starting to like it more and more. Not sure about cognitive enhancement yet, but it always makes me happy in a natural way.

[Imagination]

I felt like I had been hit over the head with a sledge hammer trying this, just wanted to sleep and felt out of it for the whole day, is this the sort of thing you got initially?

[csrpj]

do you build a tolerance to aniracetam? what are the details of this?

[Johann]

I felt like I had been hit over the head with a sledge hammer trying this, just wanted to sleep and felt out of it for the whole day, is this the sort of thing you got initially?

Imagination,


I did have one bad day on it.  But I was using DMAE as my choline source.  Apparently this is not good.  

Is this still happening to you and are you using any type of choline?  

[Arc]

I think the thing with aniracetam is the dose response curve is alot steeper than that of piracetam. I.e most people can take multigram doses of piracetam.
I've found with aniracetam that more is definitely not always a good thing, initially when I used it I think I took too much and ended up with a fuzzy memory and blurred vision.

Also aniracetam most definitely effects acetylcholine in the brain (a quick pubmed search confirms this), so taking a acetylcholine precursor with it is probably a safe bet anyway.

Interestingly Johann I also used to use DMAE - which I've heard mentioned before it could actually impair acetylcholine - as my choline source, and that was when I had poor results from aniracetam. Since swapping to Alpha-GPC however I haven't had this problem at all.

[Imagination]

I felt like I had been hit over the head with a sledge hammer trying this, just wanted to sleep and felt out of it for the whole day, is this the sort of thing you got initially?

Imagination,


I did have one bad day on it. But I was using DMAE as my choline source. Apparently this is not good.

Is this still happening to you and are you using any type of choline?

Yes only using dmae too, i've tried choline in the past and seem to react badly to it so tend to avoid, think i've got some gpc lying around so will give it another go. Cheers.
Does one in the morning last all day and what dosages do you take?

I do notice dmae working though.

Edited by Imagination, 18 September 2009 - 05:02 PM.

[Johann]

I felt like I had been hit over the head with a sledge hammer trying this, just wanted to sleep and felt out of it for the whole day, is this the sort of thing you got initially?

Imagination,


I did have one bad day on it. But I was using DMAE as my choline source. Apparently this is not good.

Is this still happening to you and are you using any type of choline?

Yes only using dmae too, i've tried choline in the past and seem to react badly to it so tend to avoid, think i've got some gpc lying around so will give it another go. Cheers.
Does one in the morning last all day and what dosages do you take?

I do notice dmae working though.

Imagination,


I take my Aniracetam (around 700 mg) at noon and the immediate effects kick in within 20 minutes and last for about 2 hours.  But the after effect, the expansion of the mind, feels permanent and lasts all day and into the next day.  

[mentatpsi]

DMAE responds differently than other choline source. I'm not sure what it is. I remember hearing from someone who specializes in Neurofeedback and herbs that it decreases delta activity in the brain. So it might have a relation.

[Imagination]

Tired it with some alpa gpc....didn't get the knocked out feeling which I got before so I guess this helps, but I also didn't notice much in cognitive benifits either, just like I hadn't taken any aniracetam in the first place.

Tired it with choline bitartrate but that stuff just makes me feel terrible for some reason. Will have to get some more alpha as that was my last cap.

[Imagination]

Would huperzine a work do you think with aniracetam, instead of taking a choline source?

[Johann]

Would huperzine a work do you think with aniracetam, instead of taking a choline source?

I haven't used huperzine a in years.  I imagine it would help but then anything that stop ACh breakdown will help.  

[SYNTAX]

DMAE responds differently than other choline source. I'm not sure what it is. I remember hearing from someone who specializes in Neurofeedback and herbs that it decreases delta activity in the brain. So it might have a relation.

...if it decreases Delta, that should be a very good thing (during the waking hours). I could be mistaken but the brains of comatose patients displaying basic system regulation capabilities (i.e. breathing) exhibit mostly Delta waves. Not much use cognitively. And DMAE doesn't cause complete system shutdown so I don't see how delta repression has an inhibiting effect in that manner.

[mentatpsi]

DMAE responds differently than other choline source. I'm not sure what it is. I remember hearing from someone who specializes in Neurofeedback and herbs that it decreases delta activity in the brain. So it might have a relation.

...if it decreases Delta, that should be a very good thing (during the waking hours). I could be mistaken but the brains of comatose patients displaying basic system regulation capabilities (i.e. breathing) exhibit mostly Delta waves. Not much use cognitively. And DMAE doesn't cause complete system shutdown so I don't see how delta repression has an inhibiting effect in that manner.

I believe he was mistaken, I recently put up a study done in regard to the effects on eeg and it reduced Alpha-1 and Theta waves. Delta wasn't mentioned. If I'm not mistaken though, isn't the creativity effects of Piracetam the increase of Alpha/Theta in addition to the stimulation of the corpus colleseum (sp)? So something that would reduce these effects might in turn decrease the overall creative effects of the medication, though removing some of the effects of inattention/focus that has been reported with it.

Link: DMAE: Effects on EEG

[SYNTAX]

DMAE responds differently than other choline source. I'm not sure what it is. I remember hearing from someone who specializes in Neurofeedback and herbs that it decreases delta activity in the brain. So it might have a relation.

...if it decreases Delta, that should be a very good thing (during the waking hours). I could be mistaken but the brains of comatose patients displaying basic system regulation capabilities (i.e. breathing) exhibit mostly Delta waves. Not much use cognitively. And DMAE doesn't cause complete system shutdown so I don't see how delta repression has an inhibiting effect in that manner.

I believe he was mistaken, I recently put up a study done in regard to the effects on eeg and it reduced Alpha-1 and Theta waves. Delta wasn't mentioned. If I'm not mistaken though, isn't the creativity effects of Piracetam the increase of Alpha/Theta in addition to the stimulation of the corpus colleseum (sp)? So something that would reduce these effects might in turn decrease the overall creative effects of the medication, though removing some of the effects of inattention/focus that has been reported with it.

Link: DMAE: Effects on EEG

the interesting thing about theta in the human brain is that it doesn't originate from a primary source, like the other waves. i mean to say that it appears to come from many places in the brain at once, and, seeing as how piracetam does exhibit a global effect, i guess it could have more of a pronounced effect on theta.

but a better point to make is that "creativity" as we understand it may be a result of alpha/theta activity, and therefore it is not very interesting that piracetam works that way.

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[hamishm00]

Would huperzine a work do you think with aniracetam, instead of taking a choline source?

I haven't used huperzine a in years.  I imagine it would help but then anything that stop ACh breakdown will help.  

Correct, it would help.

Anecdotally the best results on this forum have been obtained with CDP Choline and Alpha GPC as choline sources.

You are going to have to dose highly with bitartrate, the least effective choline supplement for boosting ACh in my opinion.