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[cycobushmaster]

i'm building a dopamine enhancing stack, and this is what i have so far:

Vitamin B6 2 MG
Vitamin C 60 MG
Vitamin D3 200 IU
Caffeine 200 MG
L-Phenylalanine 500 MG
L-Tyrosine 500 MG

i do have inattentive ADD, so i'm looking for this to help with focus energy, and be used long-term. i've used most of these before, but was wondering if there was anything else that could be taken with it (at the same time, too) that would help.

a couple other things i like are ALCAR and gingko, but i'm curious if they're not to be taken with this. also, how 'bout Sulbutiamine?

Thanks!

[Lufega]

These are all the cofactors needed to produce Dopamine. Of these, manganese is a very important and often neglected one.

[cycobushmaster]

These are all the cofactors needed to produce Dopamine. Of these, manganese is a very important and often neglected one.

good link...thanks!

[Zoroaster]

i'm building a dopamine enhancing stack, and this is what i have so far:

Vitamin B6 2 MG
Vitamin C 60 MG
Vitamin D3 200 IU
Caffeine 200 MG
L-Phenylalanine 500 MG
L-Tyrosine 500 MG

i do have inattentive ADD, so i'm looking for this to help with focus energy, and be used long-term. i've used most of these before, but was wondering if there was anything else that could be taken with it (at the same time, too) that would help.

a couple other things i like are ALCAR and gingko, but i'm curious if they're not to be taken with this. also, how 'bout Sulbutiamine?

Thanks!

If you're really interested in boosting dopamine you could always just go for l-dopa, or macuna. But don't take too much!

I would also recommend against making caffeine part of a daily stack. You get resistant to it relatively quickly (obviously). And its just not going to provide the same energetic feeling later a few weeks after starting the stack. But it works great for me as a focus booster if I use it only periodically. I also really like 1,3 dimethylamylamine for an occasional energy boost. I get a lot of peripheral stimulation from large caffeine doses and that's not as much of a problem with 1,3.

I've taken two bottles of sulbutiamine over the years. I had high expectations for it but it didn't live up. I think its main effect seemed to be headaches. But some people seem to get great results from it. I've really been liking pyritinol lately for processing speed.

Also, I don't see any reason why you should avoid ALCAR or ginkgo with that stack.

[Pike]

drop caffeine. even low doses used chronically have shown memory impairment, and you're about to take 2-3 cups of coffee worth. also, caffeine doesn't really affect dopamine a whole lot (if at all?), it's just a nonspecific PDE inhibitor. There are arguments over whether DLPA is the better phenylalanine, but that choice is up to you.

Don't bother with the vitamin D if you're only supplementing 200 IUs worth. A few minutes in the sun should give you way higher levels anyway.

[cycobushmaster]

drop caffeine. even low doses used chronically have shown memory impairment, and you're about to take 2-3 cups of coffee worth. also, caffeine doesn't really affect dopamine a whole lot (if at all?), it's just a nonspecific PDE inhibitor. There are arguments over whether DLPA is the better phenylalanine, but that choice is up to you.

Don't bother with the vitamin D if you're only supplementing 200 IUs worth. A few minutes in the sun should give you way higher levels anyway.

well, i work 3rd shift, so i'm somewhat concerned about being low in vitamin D. most likely, i will not take that with the DA stuff, since it's fat soluble.

based off the reccomendations so far, i'll nix the sulbutiamine.

the reason why i was wondering about the ALCAR and ginkgo (and choline, as well), is because i'm unsure as to whether or not they're fat soluble, or would compete with the tyrosine

thanks again for the input!

[quasi13]

drop caffeine. even low doses used chronically have shown memory impairment, and you're about to take 2-3 cups of coffee worth. also, caffeine doesn't really affect dopamine a whole lot (if at all?), it's just a nonspecific PDE inhibitor. There are arguments over whether DLPA is the better phenylalanine, but that choice is up to you.

Don't bother with the vitamin D if you're only supplementing 200 IUs worth. A few minutes in the sun should give you way higher levels anyway.

Can you give some sources for this? I've only found one negative study on the memory with caffeine consumption, which I posted here:
http://www.imminst.o...mp;#entry329949

[Pike]

drop caffeine. even low doses used chronically have shown memory impairment, and you're about to take 2-3 cups of coffee worth. also, caffeine doesn't really affect dopamine a whole lot (if at all?), it's just a nonspecific PDE inhibitor. There are arguments over whether DLPA is the better phenylalanine, but that choice is up to you.

Don't bother with the vitamin D if you're only supplementing 200 IUs worth. A few minutes in the sun should give you way higher levels anyway.

Can you give some sources for this? I've only found one negative study on the memory with caffeine consumption, which I posted here:
http://www.imminst.o...mp;#entry329949

http://www.annales.umcs.lublin.pl/D/2006/141.pdf
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=A...fd746936f38489b
http://www.csulb.edu...men/K&C2003.pdf
http://www.eric.ed.g...;accno=ED250611

essentailly, caffeine can help you concentrate but will impair memory encoding.

Edited by chrono, 18 October 2010 - 02:46 PM.
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[acantelopepope]

drop caffeine. even low doses used chronically have shown memory impairment, and you're about to take 2-3 cups of coffee worth. also, caffeine doesn't really affect dopamine a whole lot (if at all?), it's just a nonspecific PDE inhibitor. There are arguments over whether DLPA is the better phenylalanine, but that choice is up to you.

Don't bother with the vitamin D if you're only supplementing 200 IUs worth. A few minutes in the sun should give you way higher levels anyway.

Can you give some sources for this? I've only found one negative study on the memory with caffeine consumption, which I posted here:
http://www.imminst.o...mp;#entry329949

http://www.annales.u.../D/2006/141.pdf
http://www.sciencedi...fd746936f38489b
http://www.csulb.edu...men/K&C2003.pdf
http://www.eric.ed.g...;accno=ED250611

essentailly, caffeine can help you concentrate but will impair memory encoding.

What did you make of all that talk about impulsivity effecting the efficacy of caffeine in introverts vs extroverts in the morning vs afternoon?