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#151 Solarclimax

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Posted 07 March 2010 - 03:11 PM

Is it possible in theory to write software that, with the aid of powerfull hardware, would lets say do a bunch of calculations, to help us figure out how to write better software ? if so would this be more feasible than just going ahead and attempting to write complex software ? It works with games like chess and checkers. With the help of programs i can learn how to make better moves, in a shorter space of time than it would take me to learn these better moves without aid of a program.

Edited by Solarclimax, 07 March 2010 - 03:17 PM.


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Posted 07 March 2010 - 10:09 PM

Is it possible in theory to write software that, with the aid of powerfull hardware, would lets say do a bunch of calculations, to help us figure out how to write better software ? if so would this be more feasible than just going ahead and attempting to write complex software ? It works with games like chess and checkers. With the help of programs i can learn how to make better moves, in a shorter space of time than it would take me to learn these better moves without aid of a program.

It is possible, but to be truly general in the types of solutions it can offer it likely requires some type of intelligence.

#153 Forever21

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 11:40 AM

Here's a more realistic look at what's going to happen to our health in 20 years.



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#154 Luna

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 03:34 PM

Here's a more realistic look at what's going to happen to our health in 20 years.


Can someone give a summary for it? I am not sure if I will have free time soon to watch this :)

#155 forever freedom

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 04:46 PM

Here's a more realistic look at what's going to happen to our health in 20 years.


Can someone give a summary for it? I am not sure if I will have free time soon to watch this :)


I've watched some 40 minutes of it and basically it's the usual Kaku talk: growing organs, connecting with the internet through lenses/glasses, computer chips everywhere, a graph showing Moore's law, Type 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 civilizations, time travel, LHC, string theory, wormholes, lots of jokes, etc. Nothing very specific or enlightening. Kurzweil's talks are much better. Kaku dumbs things down too much to make them "entertaining".

Edited by forever freedom, 08 March 2010 - 04:47 PM.


#156 Forever21

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 04:50 PM

40 minutes of 60 minutes.

The Immortality subject is on the last 20 minutes.

#157 Forever21

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 04:51 PM

Summary: Yes, you will be immortal.

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 05:32 PM

Summary: Yes, you will be immortal.


:3

#159 Luna

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 06:51 AM

Summary: Yes, you will be immortal.


Well I had time to watch the show he actually says quite the opposite :<

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#160 Forever21

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 08:43 AM

Summary: Yes, you will be immortal.


Well I had time to watch the show he actually says quite the opposite :<



Then we are looking at the same thing and seeing something different.

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 08:51 AM

Summary: Yes, you will be immortal.


Well I had time to watch the show he actually says quite the opposite :<



Then we are looking at the same thing and seeing something different.


Give me te ime in the video :)

What I noticed is that in about minute 50 he was asked about anti aging and he said there was that guy who said he is excited that his generation might be the last to die.. He then said that he himself thinks there will be quite a bit more dying.

Edited by Luna, 09 March 2010 - 08:53 AM.


#162 Forever21

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 09:10 AM

The possibility of immortality within are grasp is affirmed in the video.

I never said it has to be from the speaker himself.

#163 forever freedom

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 02:41 PM

40 minutes of 60 minutes.

The Immortality subject is on the last 20 minutes.


No, i didn't say i watched the first 40 minutes. Read more carefully. I watched the first 20 minutes and the last 20 minutes.


Summary: Yes, you will be immortal.


Well I had time to watch the show he actually says quite the opposite :<



Then we are looking at the same thing and seeing something different.


Luna is right. Kaku says that he believes that people will still be dying for a few generations. I regret not having the time to look for the exact moment he says it but if, again, you watch the video carefully, you'll find it. I think it's in the end of the video, in the Q&A session, the first question if i'm not mistaken, when someone asks Kaku a question regarding aging and current anti aging technology.

Edited by forever freedom, 09 March 2010 - 02:42 PM.


#164 Forever21

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 03:11 PM

No, i didn't say i watched the first 40 minutes. Read more carefully. I watched the first 20 minutes and the last 20 minutes.



I wasn't talking to you. Read more carefully. Its for everyone.

And I didn't say you watched the first 40 minutes. You could have seen 40 minutes of the entire thing for all I care. Read more carefully.


Luna is right. Kaku says that he believes that people will still be dying for a few generations. I regret not having the time to look for the exact moment he says it but if, again, you watch the video carefully, you'll find it. I think it's in the end of the video, in the Q&A session, the first question if i'm not mistaken, when someone asks Kaku a question regarding aging and current anti aging technology.


I am aware of what he said. I didn't say he said immortality is possible in 20 years. Read more carefully.

#165 forever freedom

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 03:53 PM

No, i didn't say i watched the first 40 minutes. Read more carefully. I watched the first 20 minutes and the last 20 minutes.



I wasn't talking to you. Read more carefully. Its for everyone.

And I didn't say you watched the first 40 minutes. You could have seen 40 minutes of the entire thing for all I care. Read more carefully.


Yea right.. why did you say 40 minutes of 60 minutes then, right after my post and considering i said i watched only 40 minutes of it. Who were you talking to then?


Luna is right. Kaku says that he believes that people will still be dying for a few generations. I regret not having the time to look for the exact moment he says it but if, again, you watch the video carefully, you'll find it. I think it's in the end of the video, in the Q&A session, the first question if i'm not mistaken, when someone asks Kaku a question regarding aging and current anti aging technology.


I am aware of what he said. I didn't say he said immortality is possible in 20 years. Read more carefully.


He didn't say for 20 years, and he made it considerably explicit that it won't be in 20 years, and it won't be in 50 years. You should then make yourself clear. You told Luna "Yes, you will be immortal". No; Kaku says that people in this generation are most likely NOT to be immortal.

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 04:13 PM

When I told Luna she will be immortal, I am the one telling her that. Not Kaku. Obviously.

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 05:15 PM

When I told Luna she will be immortal, I am the one telling her that. Not Kaku. Obviously.


For god's sake, your statements are one mess after the other. You said to Luna:

Summary: Yes, you will be immortal.

So it is obvious that one will assume that you were making a summary of what was on the video, that is, that Kaku said that our generation is likely to become immortal, which is FALSE according to the video.

Edited by forever freedom, 09 March 2010 - 05:17 PM.


#168 Forever21

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 05:17 PM

Yes, your interpretation is false.

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 08:07 PM

Well I guess the chances are still against us...

#170 Forever21

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 08:12 PM

Oh ye of little faith.

In 30 years we will have time machine.

#171 Luna

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 08:20 PM

Oh ye of little faith.

In 30 years we will have time machine.


time machine.. as if! :)

#172 Forever21

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Posted 09 March 2010 - 08:21 PM

And in 40 years, we'll bring back the Dinosaurs.

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#173 Solarclimax

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Posted 10 March 2010 - 09:11 PM

I know Kaku is a Physicist and co-founder of string field theory. But how much does he know about Life Extension, Immortality, rejuvenation ect ?

Also it was 1-0 to forever freedom vs Forever21 on the argument of. You said i said 40 minutes. In all fairness, i think that f21 like myself interpreted, "i now know wrongly so" that ff's post came across as saying he only saw the first 40 minutes. I think this is the reason f21 was reluctant to admit his mistake, in assuming that ff didn't see the last 20, and therefore tried to make out that it was in fact ff who misunderstood him and not the other way around, in order to try and save face.

Of course it's only natural that f21 may wish to try and redeem himself by trying to convince everyone that i to have misinterpreted what he is trying to say, but then by this stage he will have realised that the facts conclude he has reached an irredeemable phase for his argument, Causing him to graciously accept defeat and learn from this experience.

It's ok you don't need to thank me, I'm here to help, lol.

Edited by Solarclimax, 10 March 2010 - 09:30 PM.


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Posted 11 March 2010 - 07:13 AM

I didn't realize he and I was on a debate and that someone is a loser enough to count points. I listen to web conference, talk to clients, or on the phone with my people overseas and during a few times I'm on hold or waiting for my turn to speak, or when I'm bored to tears of who I'm speaking with, I go to online to forums like this to kill time. Hence the lack of my engagement any serious discussion since most of the time, I don't even read the posts. I scan them and reply whatever my fingers come up with.

So, sorry if you're nice in the rest of your posts. I stopped reading on the 3rd sentence when you counted score. LOL WTF? But if you think its 1-0 then HURRAYYYY.

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 07:14 AM

And in 50 years we will bring back the mullets.

#176 Solarclimax

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 09:43 AM

I didn't realize he and I was on a debate and that someone is a loser enough to count points. I listen to web conference, talk to clients, or on the phone with my people overseas and during a few times I'm on hold or waiting for my turn to speak, or when I'm bored to tears of who I'm speaking with, I go to online to forums like this to kill time. Hence the lack of my engagement any serious discussion since most of the time, I don't even read the posts. I scan them and reply whatever my fingers come up with.

So, sorry if you're nice in the rest of your posts. I stopped reading on the 3rd sentence when you counted score. LOL WTF? But if you think its 1-0 then HURRAYYYY.


I think people should realise (or be helped to realise) when they are wrong about something. Keeps things logical and also doesn't cause any unnecessary stress to the person who is right. It's a bit selfish to know you are wrong but then still try and make out you are right at the expense of trying to make someone who knows what they are talking about appear like they don't, not only that but why try and make people believe something that is faulse ?. Just imagine where we would be if everyone who was wrong about everything tried hard to make their point (or lack of a point) would 2+2 = 5 ? would we have to consider all mathematicians insane because they say 1/4 is the same as 2/8 ? as clearly they are different numbers ? Half our problems are because pig headed people won't admit they are wrong, or maybe even worse don't believe they are wrong.
I don't really see the point in arguing, and being a retard could happen to anyone, don't knock it.
But if making a point comes across as arguing then that's just how it is. My aim is not to argue, just to make a valid point. We are all wrong about something at some point "I'm probably wrong about a few things" Admitting when your wrong should be everyone's duty, at least in certain circumstances.
Even as trivial as it may seem, me going into detail to explain this, because lets face it whats the point ? what does it matter ? For reasons i have allready mentioned is why it matters.

Edited by Solarclimax, 11 March 2010 - 09:44 AM.


#177 Forever21

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 12:04 PM

TMW

anyone plz summarize

thx
take care

#178 Solarclimax

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Posted 11 March 2010 - 04:34 PM

How serious should we take Kaku's opinion ? what does he know about how long we should expect to live? compared to people who specialise in the more specific areas ?

Edited by Solarclimax, 11 March 2010 - 04:35 PM.


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Posted 11 March 2010 - 05:39 PM

Just one think to consider, in Africa, in many countries the life expectancy is around 40 years...in other develop countries is almost 80.
So, it's twice, and there is not a world war. As Vidx says, the people accept the situation. What if in the next years we can increase the life expand to 120?

Because i think that huge life extensions will can eventually. Firs we may get 5-10 years life extensions, then 20 years, then maybe 50,etc...i mean, is going to be a big process with many steps, not juts one issue and i think that people will just accept the situations, as same Africans countries do today. If you think about we are already living in a society wilt an extension of life expectancy.


I can say that life extention and its dynamics are first on a psychological level then its expressed physical. An example can be drawn when looking at the advancements of early man when preparing, hunting and eating his catch... it was first ate raw! As many have died via bacteria we began to think of ways to increase our diet... I would assume that is where cooking may have came along. With that being said I assume that early life for man was very short due to the lack of knowledge. But as man walked through life and experienced trials and errors he began to see what was value and non-value to his or her existence which is why today we depend on the information from those who either experienced our has his or her ideas deeply embedded in reality.

So, immortality available in twenty years sounds invigorating! But to reply with an honest self-interest response... I will say that immortality or at least its ground breaking forerunners are here today. ****IMMORTALITY... NO LATER THAN TOMORROW**** Yes, in our lifetime! Everyone of us can not only experience immortality in twenty years but can no longer wait another minute. That is why immortality as it subtly existed in man when we extended our brief animal existence from 25 years to 75+ years has to first start within- in ourselves with the choice to be regardless of what promulgations are promoted today.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 03:13 PM

  • 1. Look @ what has to be achieved in bioengineering to halt and reverse aging, and
  • 2. Give time estimates fro when it can happen.

There are 7 known areas and their solutions are tied into computing power available and the advent of Machine Intelligence which will obviously solve things fast.

Causes of Aging

The seven types of aging damage proposed by Aubrey de Grey

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Main article: Strategies for Engineered Negligible Senescence
"1. Cancer-causing nuclear mutations/epimutations

These are changes to the nuclear DNA (nDNA), the molecule that contains our genetic information, or to proteins which bind to the nDNA. Certain mutations can lead to cancer, and, according to de Grey, non-cancerous mutations and epimutations do not contribute to aging within a normal lifespan, so cancer is the only endpoint of these types of damage that must be addressed.
2. Mitochondrial mutations

Mitochondria are components in our cells that are important for energy production. They contain their own genetic material, and mutations to their DNA can affect a cell’s ability to function properly. Indirectly, these mutations may accelerate many aspects of aging.
3. Intracellular junk

Our cells are constantly breaking down proteins and other molecules that are no longer useful or which can be harmful. Those molecules which can’t be digested simply accumulate as junk inside our cells. Atherosclerosis, macular degeneration and all kinds of neurodegenerative diseases (such as Alzheimer's disease) are associated with this problem.
4. Extracellular junk

Harmful junk protein can also accumulate outside of our cells. The amyloid plaque seen in the brains of Alzheimer’s patients is one example.
5. Cell loss

Some of the cells in our bodies cannot be replaced, or can only be replaced very slowly - more slowly than they die. This decrease in cell number causes the heart to become weaker with age, and it also causes Parkinson's disease and impairs the immune system.
6. Cell senescence

This is a phenomenon where the cells are no longer able to divide, but also do not die and let others divide. They may also do other things that they’re not supposed to, like secreting proteins that could be harmful. Immune senescence and type 2 diabetes are caused by this.
7. Extracellular crosslinks

Cells are held together by special linking proteins. When too many cross-links form between cells in a tissue, the tissue can lose its elasticity and cause problems including arteriosclerosis and presbyopia."
http://www.rejuvenal...ding-aging.html

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Edited by Innocent, 31 May 2013 - 03:17 PM.





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