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#1 csrpj

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 07:12 AM


so i'm trying to figure out what choline source to purchase, based on quality and price.

now, i'm trying to figure out how much a unit of source A is equivalent in units to source B as far as how much you need to take to get the same real effect in the brain or in your experience.

alpha gpc = Xmg
cdp choline = ?
choline bitartrate = ?
lecithin = ?
centro = ?

#2 hamishm00

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 08:31 AM

Ballpark:

alpha gpc = 300 mg
cdp choline = 250mg
choline bitartrate = 2 gram (not advisable to take this as it's bioavailability is low, but if you must, take with vit b5)
lecithin = 1.5 grams
centro = 200mg

CDP Choline is a good option as it's highly effective, it's easy to get, although it's somewhat pricey.

Centrophenoxine is harder to find, but you can get it in bulk. It is arguably the ultimate.

Avoid bitartrate. Lecithin is ok. Alpha GPC is good, but not as many studies on it as there are CDP Choline, so I don't think there is much point going down this route.

Edited by hamishm00, 24 September 2009 - 08:32 AM.


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#3 csrpj

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 08:38 AM

does it make sense to take b5 with the other sources (besides bitartrate) as well?

#4 Steve_86

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 09:55 AM

Centrophenoxine is harder to find, but you can get it in bulk. It is arguably the ultimate.


How is Centrophenoxine any better than Alpha GPC?

#5 hamishm00

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 12:28 PM

Centrophenoxine may be effective at reducing lipofuscin volumes in cells. This means it's a substance that could have huge anti-aging benefits. Alpha GPC does not have these properties. Centrophenoxine also enhances neuronal glucose and oxygen uptake, while increasing carbon dioxide production, all signs of increased brain ATP production. Centrophenoxine also increases neuronal RNA and protein production.

It also seems to be highly effective as an ACh booster in animal studies:

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: Neuropharmacology. 1982 Apr;21(4):349-54.


Increases in choline levels in rat brain elicited by meclofenoxate (centrophenoxine).

Wood PL, Peloquin A.

Meclofenoxate, the p-cholorophenoxyacetic acid ester of deanol, was found to dramatically elevate choline (Ch) levels in the rat CNS. In the hippocampus, this elevation in choline was accompanied by a new elevated steady state level in acetylcholine (ACh). No such coupling was observed in the striatum or parietal cortex. Deanol also elevated choline levels in the CNS but was about half as potent as meclofenoxate; p-chlorophenoxyacetic acid was inactive in this respect. Lesions of striatal neurons with kainic acid and of hippocampal cholinergic nerve endings with surgical section of the fimbria indicated that the changes in choline levels were mainly extraneuronal. In spite of the changes in choline and ACh levels, no consistant alterations in ACh turnover were measured. In summary, meclofenoxate induced dramatic alterations in CNS choline metabolism and may, therefore, be a useful therapeutic tool for potentiating depressed cholinergic neurons.



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Effect of centrophenoxine on acetylcholine release in perfused cerebral ventricles of cats under dynamic electrophysiological control.

Georgiev V, Chavdarov D, Petkov V, Kirilov B.

The effects of centrophenoxine on the release of acetylcholine and on the changes in the bioelectrical activity are determined in experiments on non-anaesthesized cats subjected to perfusion of the anterior horn of the lateral cerebral ventricle and simultaneous recording of the bioelectrical activity of cortical and subcortical structures. Centrophenoxine is tested in doses of 25, 50 and 100 mg/kg intravenously. Most characteristic changes are found to occur after the dose of 50 mg/kg, when centrophenoxine markedly increases the amount of the released acetylcholine and changes the bioelectrical activity (synchronous changes in the cortex and hypothalamus). The parallelism between the increase release of acetylcholine and the bioelectrical changes continued until the time of the peak effect of centrophenoxine (45 min), followed by dissociation between them (the level of the released acetylcholine gradually approached the initial level, while the changed bioelectrical activity persisted for a longer time.

Edited by hamishm00, 24 September 2009 - 12:31 PM.


#6 hamishm00

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 12:30 PM

does it make sense to take b5 with the other sources (besides bitartrate) as well?


Only Lecithin and AFAIK all other choline sources except CDP Choline, Alpha GPC and centrophenoxine.

#7 pycnogenol

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Posted 24 September 2009 - 03:27 PM

Centrophenoxine is harder to find, but you can get it in bulk. It is arguably the ultimate.


Speaking of centrophenoxine, has anyone bought their supply from these guys?

http://www.nutraceut...rophenoxine.htm

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#8 acantelopepope

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Posted 25 September 2009 - 12:05 AM

Centrophenoxine is harder to find, but you can get it in bulk. It is arguably the ultimate.


Speaking of centrophenoxine, has anyone bought their supply from these guys?

http://www.nutraceut...rophenoxine.htm


I have their BULK powder and I'm happy with it. I don't know why they're not selling it in bulk anymore.




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