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#1 TheFountain

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 10:03 PM


What do you guys think is going on here?





WASHINGTON – A virus recently linked to prostate cancer is a new suspect in chronic fatigue syndrome. Scientists tested blood from 101 patients and found two-thirds carried it.

That doesn't mean the virus causes chronic fatigue, stressed the research published Thursday in the journal Science.

The team of scientists from the National Cancer Institute and Nevada's Whittemore Peterson Institute said it was possible the virus, named XMRV, was just "a passenger virus" that catches a ride in patients whose immune systems are weakened by chronic fatigue.

Moreover, the researchers found nearly 4 percent of healthy people carried the virus, too. That raises bigger questions about just what role this recently discovered virus — a relative of viruses that cause cancer in mice — may be playing in overall health.

"This suggests that several million Americans may be infected with a retrovirus of as-yet-unknown pathogenic potential," the researchers concluded.

A retrovirus is a kind of virus that permanently embeds in the body.

Various viruses have been linked to chronic fatigue over the years, only to fall by the wayside as potential culprits in the mysterious illness thought to afflict about 1 million Americans. It's characterized by at least six months of severe fatigue, impaired memory and other symptoms, but there's no test for it — doctors rule out other possible causes — and no specific treatment.

The XMRV virus is related to mouse leukemia viruses. No one knows how it arose or how people become infected. But another research team recently found the virus lurking in about a quarter of 200 prostate tumors — and in about 6 percent of noncancerous prostate samples they used for comparison.

"There is still much that we do not understand," including whether people with either disease just are more prone to infection, cautioned Tufts University microbiologist John Coffin in an accompanying editorial. Still, "further study may reveal XMRV as a cause of more than one well-known 'old' disease."

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 11:38 PM

Moreover, the researchers found nearly 4 percent of healthy people carried the virus, too. That raises bigger questions about just what role this recently discovered virus — a relative of viruses that cause cancer in mice — may be playing in overall health.

"This suggests that several million Americans may be infected with a retrovirus of as-yet-unknown pathogenic potential," the researchers concluded.


This is what I heard last month.

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#3 Blue

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 11:42 PM

The virus cannot easily explain the symptoms of 1/3 of the patients who did not have it (as detected with this method). Personally I think a more likely explanation for CFS is micronutrient deficiencies or atypical depressions.

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 11:58 PM

Chronic Lyme Disease is one possible cause of CFS.

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Posted 09 October 2009 - 12:33 AM

The virus cannot easily explain the symptoms of 1/3 of the patients who did not have it (as detected with this method). Personally I think a more likely explanation for CFS is micronutrient deficiencies or atypical depressions.

That depends on how they looked for the virus. Perhaps not all of them had active infections.

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Posted 09 October 2009 - 01:01 AM

As rwac pointed out, there are plenty of other causes for CFS like symptoms, and CFS is a common misdiagnosis (lyme, hypothyroidism, celiac disease, etc). So if 66% of CFS patients to have this virus compared with only 4% of healthy controls, that is a highly significant finding.

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Posted 09 October 2009 - 02:00 AM

CFS is a trash can diagnosis that is applied when the patient is feeling unwell and no other disease can be found. Lots of studies with weird results:

"OBJECTIVE: To review the etiology of chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) and test hypotheses relating to immune system dysfunction, physical deconditioning, exercise avoidance, and childhood illness experiences, using a large prospective birth cohort. METHODS: A total of 4779 participants from the Medical Research Council's National Survey of Health and Development were prospectively followed for the first 53 years of their life with >20 separate data collections. Information was collected on childhood and parental health, atopic illness, levels of physical activity, fatigue, and participant's weight and height at multiple time points. CFS was identified through self-report during a semistructured interview at age 53 years with additional case notes review. RESULTS: Of 2983 participants assessed at age 53 years, 34 (1.1%, 95% Confidence Interval 0.8-1.5) reported a diagnosis of CFS. Those who reported CFS were no more likely to have suffered from childhood illness or atopy. Increased levels of exercise throughout childhood and early adult life and a lower body mass index were associated with an increased risk of later CFS. Participants who later reported CFS continued to exercise more frequently even after they began to experience early symptoms of fatigue. CONCLUSIONS: Individuals who exercise frequently are more likely to report a diagnosis of CFS in later life. This may be due to the direct effects of this behavior or associated personality factors. Continuing to be active despite increasing fatigue may be a crucial step in the development of CFS."
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/18378866

"BACKGROUND: Distant healing, a form of spiritual healing, is widely used for many conditions but little is known about its effectiveness. METHODS: In order to evaluate distant healing in patients with a stable chronic condition, we randomised 409 patients with chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) from 14 private practices for environmental medicine in Germany and Austria in a two by two factorial design to immediate versus deferred (waiting for 6 months) distant healing. Half the patients were blinded and half knew their treatment allocation. Patients were treated for 6 months and allocated to groups of 3 healers from a pool of 462 healers in 21 European countries with different healing traditions. Change in Mental Health Component Summary (MHCS) score (SF-36) was the primary outcome and Physical Health Component Summary score (PHCS) the secondary outcome. RESULTS: This trial population had very low quality of life and symptom scores at entry. There were no differences over 6 months in post-treatment MHCS scores between the treated and untreated groups. There was a non-significant outcome (p = 0.11) for healing with PHCS (1.11; 95% CI -0.255 to 2.473 at 6 months) and a significant effect (p = 0.027) for blinding; patients who were unblinded became worse during the trial (-1.544; 95% CI -2.913 to -0.176). We found no relevant interaction for blinding among treated patients in MHCS and PHCS. Expectation of treatment and duration of CFS added significantly to the model. CONCLUSIONS: In patients with CFS, distant healing appears to have no statistically significant effect on mental and physical health but the expectation of improvement did improve outcome."
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/18277062

"CONTEXT: Childhood trauma appears to be a potent risk factor for chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS). Evidence from developmental neuroscience suggests that early experience programs the development of regulatory systems that are implicated in the pathophysiology of CFS, including the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis. However, the contribution of childhood trauma to neuroendocrine dysfunction in CFS remains obscure. OBJECTIVES: To replicate findings on the relationship between childhood trauma and risk for CFS and to evaluate the association between childhood trauma and neuroendocrine dysfunction in CFS. Design, Setting, and PARTICIPANTS: A case-control study of 113 persons with CFS and 124 well control subjects identified from a general population sample of 19 381 adult residents of Georgia. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Self-reported childhood trauma (sexual, physical, and emotional abuse; emotional and physical neglect), psychopathology (depression, anxiety, and posttraumatic stress disorder), and salivary cortisol response to awakening. RESULTS: Individuals with CFS reported significantly higher levels of childhood trauma and psychopathological symptoms than control subjects. Exposure to childhood trauma was associated with a 6-fold increased risk of CFS. Sexual abuse, emotional abuse, and emotional neglect were most effective in discriminating CFS cases from controls. There was a graded relationship between exposure level and CFS risk. The risk of CFS conveyed by childhood trauma further increased with the presence of posttraumatic stress disorder symptoms. Only individuals with CFS and with childhood trauma exposure, but not individuals with CFS without exposure, exhibited decreased salivary cortisol concentrations after awakening compared with control subjects. CONCLUSIONS: Our results confirm childhood trauma as an important risk factor of CFS. In addition, neuroendocrine dysfunction, a hallmark feature of CFS, appears to be associated with childhood trauma. This possibly reflects a biological correlate of vulnerability due to early developmental insults. Our findings are critical to inform pathophysiological research and to devise targets for the prevention of CFS.
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/19124690

"OBJECTIVE: This cross-sectional study aimed to measure the discrepancy between actual and perceived IQ in a sample of adolescents with CFS compared to healthy controls. We hypothesized that adolescents with CFS and their parent would have higher expectations of the adolescent's intellectual ability than healthy adolescents and their parent. METHODS: The sample was 28 CFS patients and 29 healthy controls aged 11-19 years and the parent of each participant. IQ was assessed using the AH4 group test of general intelligence and a self-rating scale which measured perceived IQ. RESULTS: Parents' perceptions of their children's IQ were significantly higher for individuals with CFS than healthy controls. CONCLUSIONS: High expectations may need to be addressed within the context of treatment."
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/19616144

Edited by Blue, 09 October 2009 - 02:01 AM.


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Posted 20 December 2010 - 09:32 AM

It's been over a year since this paper was published. Most CFS patients are testing positive for XMRV.

Blue's post is garbage. It is a cherry picking of studies from psychiatrists from the psychogenic school. There are thousands of papers documenting that CFS is a biological medical condition not a psychiatric one. The debate is over. These people are very sick with a serious medical condition and need real treatment, not psych therapy. The psych studies are a scientific fraud.

CFS is not a trash can for people who are "feeling unwell". It is a very serious disease. The WHO classifies it as a neurological disease under ME/PVFS. The most comprehensive description is from the Canadian Consensus Criteria of ME/CFS published in 2003. I wish I could say I was only feeling unwell. In fact, I feel like I am nearly dead. I'm 27 and my grandparents are far healthier! The condition is nearly paralyzing. A large proportion of patients are unable to do everyday tasks healthy people take for granted, such as taking a shower.

Way back in 1990 an HIV doctor began treating CFS as well as she recognized the similarities between the two. In a peer reviewed study she concluded that CFS was "a form of acquired immunodeficiency." In 1992 a landmark study said the patients were suffering "an immune mediated inflammatory process of the central nervous system." The US CDC and UK NHS has covered up this disease by creating the term CFS and using it so loosely that almost anyone can claim to have it. The illness description was supposed to be a description of the infectious disease that broke out in Incline Village and Lyndonville, NY but they've done a bait and switch.

The symptoms of ME/CFS are extremely similar to HIV/AIDS. So it is not surprising that it could be caused by a retrovirus like HIV. ME/CFS is like slow-motion AIDS. It makes sense because HIV is a complex retrovirus and XMRV is a simple retrovirus.

Symptoms seen in both HIV and CFS:
lymphadenopathy
profound fatigue
cognitive impairment
memory loss
dementia
vertigo
encephalitis
neuropathy
night sweats
weight loss
osteoporosis
diarrhea
IBS
dysautonomia
chronic inflammation
immune dysregulation
reduced T and NK cell cytotoxicity
reduced glutathione
increased Interleukin-6
increased TNF-alpha
increased NF-kappa-beta

I got sick at the age of 15 and have been sick almost 13 years straight with no remission. My hopes and dreams have been shattered. I want my life back. I want to be able to have a career and a family before it's too late. Antiretrovirals are my only hope. You don't get better from CFS from placebo any more than you could recover from AIDS with a placebo. I'd rather poison myself with AZT than live in prolonged agony and misery.

It is time for real science. Please ask for research funding for XMRV/CFS and specifically the Whittemore Peterson Institute.

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#9 tham

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 04:33 PM

The link is somewhat controversial.

http://www.scienceda...01012151246.htm

http://www.sciencema...5987/18.summary


However, perhaps a course of standard HIV
drugs, particularly the integrase inhibitor
raltegravir, may prove if it is indeed the
culprit in your case.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....cles/PMC2848589

http://www.ncbi.nlm....cles/PMC2939604


Natural alternatives are olive leaf extract,
particularly the product by Nature's Plus
combining Oliceutic-20 and arabinogalactans,
plus EGCG and selenium.


http://www.iherb.com...Caps/21530?at=0

http://www.imminst.o...t-egcg-and-hiv/

http://www.webmd.com...-tea-blocks-hiv

http://www.wisegeek....nts-for-hiv.htm


FIV treatment guidelines.

http://www.fivtherap...m/bdgdlines.htm


Links with the herpes viruses EBV, CMV
and HHV-6 are not conclusive either, but
if so, olive leaf, EGCG and selenium should
be helpful too.

Otherwise, a trial of valacyclovir.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....st_uids=1258242


Folinic acid.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....st_uids=1688912

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 04:53 PM

Otherwise, a trial of valacyclovir.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....st_uids=1258242


Folinic acid.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....st_uids=1688912


tham, your last two links seem to be broken. I'm very interested in looking at the real links.

#11 tham

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 06:19 PM

Oops, sorry. Wonder how the first link
went to vasectomy on pigs !

http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=18019402


Note that valacyclovir is ineffective
against CMV.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....st_uids=1258242


Folinic acid.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=16889122


Enteroviruses have also been implicated.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....cles/PMC1770761

#12 tham

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 06:56 PM

The classical Chinese formula,
Bu Zhong Yi Qi Wan.

Called Bojungikki-tang in Korea.

Japanese Kampo derivative is
Hochu-ekki-to, or TJ-41.

http://ict.sagepub.c...383170.abstract


http://en.wikipedia....Zhong_Yi_Qi_Wan

http://www.helpofchi...hongYiQiWan.htm

http://www.activeherb.com/buzhong/


http://www.tsumura.c...y/04/4-2-01.htm

http://findarticles....6/ai_n15627614/



Apparently Sho-seiryu-to, TJ-19, is
the most effective against CMV.
The Chinese equivalent is called
Xiao Qing Long Wan.

Juzen taiho-to (TJ-58), or Chinese
Shi Quan Da Bu Wan, has been mentioned
in the cancer and Alzheimer's threads.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....cles/PMC538516/

http://www.activeherb.com/qinglong/

Edited by tham, 20 December 2010 - 07:38 PM.


#13 tham

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 07:34 PM

Geum japonicum and other herbs.

Syzygium aromaticum - cloves.

Terminalia chebula is the common
Ayurvedic herb, Haritaki.


http://en.wikipedia..../Geum_japonicum

http://www.ncbi.nlm....st_uids=9465682

http://www.ncbi.nlm....st_uids=8891165

http://www.ncbi.nlm....l=pubmed_docsum

http://gateway.nlm.n...=102217030.html


Few options in drugs for CMV.

Ganciclovir.

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Ganciclovir


Leflunomide.

http://pmj.bmj.com/c...67/313.abstract

http://ndtplus.oxfor...nt/2/2/149.full



Maribavir.

http://www.news-medi...2/07/15813.aspx

http://www.medicalne...cles/109557.php

http://www.drugs.com...ents-16168.html

http://pipeline.cora...ibavir_ouch.php

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 07:52 PM

The valacyclovir link was wrong again,
apparently I missed the last "zero".

Here's the correct link.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=12582420

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 09:52 PM

It's been over a year since this paper was published. Most CFS patients are testing positive for XMRV.

Blue's post is garbage. It is a cherry picking of studies from psychiatrists from the psychogenic school. There are thousands of papers documenting that CFS is a biological medical condition not a psychiatric one. The debate is over. These people are very sick with a serious medical condition and need real treatment, not psych therapy. The psych studies are a scientific fraud.

CFS is not a trash can for people who are "feeling unwell". It is a very serious disease. The WHO classifies it as a neurological disease under ME/PVFS. The most comprehensive description is from the Canadian Consensus Criteria of ME/CFS published in 2003. I wish I could say I was only feeling unwell. In fact, I feel like I am nearly dead. I'm 27 and my grandparents are far healthier! The condition is nearly paralyzing. A large proportion of patients are unable to do everyday tasks healthy people take for granted, such as taking a shower.

Way back in 1990 an HIV doctor began treating CFS as well as she recognized the similarities between the two. In a peer reviewed study she concluded that CFS was "a form of acquired immunodeficiency." In 1992 a landmark study said the patients were suffering "an immune mediated inflammatory process of the central nervous system." The US CDC and UK NHS has covered up this disease by creating the term CFS and using it so loosely that almost anyone can claim to have it. The illness description was supposed to be a description of the infectious disease that broke out in Incline Village and Lyndonville, NY but they've done a bait and switch.

The symptoms of ME/CFS are extremely similar to HIV/AIDS. So it is not surprising that it could be caused by a retrovirus like HIV. ME/CFS is like slow-motion AIDS. It makes sense because HIV is a complex retrovirus and XMRV is a simple retrovirus.

Symptoms seen in both HIV and CFS:
lymphadenopathy
profound fatigue
cognitive impairment
memory loss
dementia
vertigo
encephalitis
neuropathy
night sweats
weight loss
osteoporosis
diarrhea
IBS
dysautonomia
chronic inflammation
immune dysregulation
reduced T and NK cell cytotoxicity
reduced glutathione
increased Interleukin-6
increased TNF-alpha
increased NF-kappa-beta

I got sick at the age of 15 and have been sick almost 13 years straight with no remission. My hopes and dreams have been shattered. I want my life back. I want to be able to have a career and a family before it's too late. Antiretrovirals are my only hope. You don't get better from CFS from placebo any more than you could recover from AIDS with a placebo. I'd rather poison myself with AZT than live in prolonged agony and misery.

It is time for real science. Please ask for research funding for XMRV/CFS and specifically the Whittemore Peterson Institute.

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A big fat giant +1 to this post.

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 07:38 PM

Lab contamination.

http://www.scienceda...01220091919.htm

http://www.retroviro...content/7/1/111

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 08:05 PM

Hochu Ekki-to improves CFS.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....cles/PMC516453/


http://www.ncbi.nlm....t_uids=18317925

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 11:23 PM

The symptoms of ME/CFS are extremely similar to HIV/AIDS. So it is not surprising that it could be caused by a retrovirus like HIV. ME/CFS is like slow-motion AIDS. It makes sense because HIV is a complex retrovirus and XMRV is a simple retrovirus.


There's another retrovirus that was linked to CFS. I posted about it here. It's called human endogenous retrovirus W, or HERV-W.




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