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#1 Lapo91

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 12:31 PM


Hey guys,
I've been reading the forums for the last days and I wanted to give a shot at Provigil, I already tried Piracetam with a Choline source, but it didn't have the concentration boosting effects I was looking for, so I found that Provigil/Modafinil seems to be what I'm looking for, more wakefulness, more alertness, more concentration capabilities.
I got a 13 on the Epworth Sleepiness Scale, but my doctor here in Italy just keeps telling me that I'm fine, I just need to sleep more, but I sleep 10 hours every night and I still feel sluggish and I'm just not able to concentrate on anything, especially studying, which is very important right now for me since it's my last year of high school.
Alright here are the questions I need to be answered:

1) How do I get a hold of Provigil? I have a friend in the US that comes here in Italy every now and then, so I can get it shipped to him.

2) How many possibilities are there that I would be incurring in any legal problems by ordering this substance?

3) Do you think that Provigil is the right substance for alertness/concentration, or there is something else I should try first?

Thank you in advance for all of your help

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 11:13 PM

Have you given some high quality fish oil and some alcar a try? What's your diet like? You taking a decent multi vitamin? Do you exercise?

What I'm getting at is that you just seem a bit young for modafinil. You might be surprised how much benefit you'll get from exercise and good nutrition if not already in place.

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 01:44 PM

I'm getting my shipment here next week. I'll definitely start a thread describing my experience with it. If it's good, I'll recommend it for you - I feel the exact same way as you do. Just give me a PM. I know a place you can buy Modafinil perscription free.

#4 Lapo91

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 04:03 PM

Have you given some high quality fish oil and some alcar a try? What's your diet like? You taking a decent multi vitamin? Do you exercise?

What I'm getting at is that you just seem a bit young for modafinil. You might be surprised how much benefit you'll get from exercise and good nutrition if not already in place.


I have a diet which includes all kind of diverse food, every week I eat different kind of vegetables (at least two different per day), once a week I eat fish (even though I hate it) and have a very well planned diet day by day, I balanced out all protein, carbs and fats, everyday I eat something different.
As for workout, I go to the gym 3 times a week for an hour and a half, 30 minutes of cardio and the rest is for lifting weights and power workouts.
I take Opti-Men by Optimum Nutrition, I don't take the full dose, only 2 tablets a day, it seemed to me to be more than enough, and it doesn't make my pee a bright yellow color C=
Every time I work out it seems to me like I'm dying afterwards, I feel lightheaded and it seems like I'm about to faint, I struggle through it, I sit down and after like 5-10 minutes I feel kinda better, yet
I feel very very tired all the time.
I feel like I just woke up every second of my day, and at the end of day I'm so tired I can barely get any studying done, I try to do it in the afternoon before I get sleepy.

#5 Lapo91

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Posted 19 October 2009 - 06:38 PM

Come on guys, I really need some help here, this thing is killing me

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Posted 20 October 2009 - 03:13 AM

Have you given some high quality fish oil and some alcar a try? What's your diet like? You taking a decent multi vitamin? Do you exercise?

What I'm getting at is that you just seem a bit young for modafinil. You might be surprised how much benefit you'll get from exercise and good nutrition if not already in place.


I have a diet which includes all kind of diverse food, every week I eat different kind of vegetables (at least two different per day), once a week I eat fish (even though I hate it) and have a very well planned diet day by day, I balanced out all protein, carbs and fats, everyday I eat something different.
As for workout, I go to the gym 3 times a week for an hour and a half, 30 minutes of cardio and the rest is for lifting weights and power workouts.
I take Opti-Men by Optimum Nutrition, I don't take the full dose, only 2 tablets a day, it seemed to me to be more than enough, and it doesn't make my pee a bright yellow color C=
Every time I work out it seems to me like I'm dying afterwards, I feel lightheaded and it seems like I'm about to faint, I struggle through it, I sit down and after like 5-10 minutes I feel kinda better, yet
I feel very very tired all the time.
I feel like I just woke up every second of my day, and at the end of day I'm so tired I can barely get any studying done, I try to do it in the afternoon before I get sleepy.


it sounds more like you're just getting dehydrated/malnourished when you work out and perhaps overtraining (if you're going for gain every time you're in the gym).

but for your questions:
1) afaik, provigil isn't as regulated in europe as it is here in the states, and can be bought online.
2) it would depend on a lot of things. modafinil's legal status where you are, scheduling laws, how strict your customs are.
3) honestly, no. I don't think it's the proper one. It gets a lot of praise here on the board, but i didn't like it at all. It certainly doesn't seem to help all that much with wakefulness because I could easily knock out once I was tired. There are a lot of different options to choose from when it comes to concentration/attention promoting agents, and everyone responds differently. I will say, however, that learning what doesn't work is probably just as important as learning what does. What didn't work for me was modafinil. Oh, and if your doctor even mentions Strattera, run.

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Posted 20 October 2009 - 03:24 AM

Have you given some high quality fish oil and some alcar a try? What's your diet like? You taking a decent multi vitamin? Do you exercise?

What I'm getting at is that you just seem a bit young for modafinil. You might be surprised how much benefit you'll get from exercise and good nutrition if not already in place.


I have a diet which includes all kind of diverse food, every week I eat different kind of vegetables (at least two different per day), once a week I eat fish (even though I hate it) and have a very well planned diet day by day, I balanced out all protein, carbs and fats, everyday I eat something different.
As for workout, I go to the gym 3 times a week for an hour and a half, 30 minutes of cardio and the rest is for lifting weights and power workouts.
I take Opti-Men by Optimum Nutrition, I don't take the full dose, only 2 tablets a day, it seemed to me to be more than enough, and it doesn't make my pee a bright yellow color C=
Every time I work out it seems to me like I'm dying afterwards, I feel lightheaded and it seems like I'm about to faint, I struggle through it, I sit down and after like 5-10 minutes I feel kinda better, yet
I feel very very tired all the time.
I feel like I just woke up every second of my day, and at the end of day I'm so tired I can barely get any studying done, I try to do it in the afternoon before I get sleepy.


Sounds like you may have medical issues you need to deal with. Maybe endocrine issues.

#8 Lapo91

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Posted 20 October 2009 - 12:25 PM

Well I have a quarter gallon bottle of water with me when I work out and immediately afterwards I have a protein shake, so to not have my muscles completely sore.
Is there anything, any nootropic you would suggest Pike?
And this last six months I've been mainly training to keep my muscles the same size as always, I haven't had enough energy to work out hard enough to grow more muscles.

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Posted 20 October 2009 - 12:34 PM

Well I have a quarter gallon bottle of water with me when I work out and immediately afterwards I have a protein shake, so to not have my muscles completely sore.
Is there anything, any nootropic you would suggest Pike?
And this last six months I've been mainly training to keep my muscles the same size as always, I haven't had enough energy to work out hard enough to grow more muscles.


well, anything that's pro cholinergic would probably have a mild effect on wakefulness. generally anything pro-chatelcholamine will have a wakefulness promoting aspect to it. Anecdotally, i've been told that anti-serotonergic agents can fit in the same ballpark, but I haven't actually looked into it. There's LOTS when it comes to the area your talking about.

with that said, IMO since you didn't exactly say you were specifically looking for a stimulant medication, try some cholinergics! you have the ACh precursors (cholines), racetams, nicotine, etc. They won't feel like a stimulant, but if you're just looking for something that might keep you awake in the hours where you normally should be awake, they could help.

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Posted 20 October 2009 - 12:50 PM

Well I have a quarter gallon bottle of water with me when I work out and immediately afterwards I have a protein shake, so to not have my muscles completely sore.
Is there anything, any nootropic you would suggest Pike?
And this last six months I've been mainly training to keep my muscles the same size as always, I haven't had enough energy to work out hard enough to grow more muscles.


well, anything that's pro cholinergic would probably have a mild effect on wakefulness. generally anything pro-chatelcholamine will have a wakefulness promoting aspect to it. Anecdotally, i've been told that anti-serotonergic agents can fit in the same ballpark, but I haven't actually looked into it. There's LOTS when it comes to the area your talking about.

with that said, IMO since you didn't exactly say you were specifically looking for a stimulant medication, try some cholinergics! you have the ACh precursors (cholines), racetams, nicotine, etc. They won't feel like a stimulant, but if you're just looking for something that might keep you awake in the hours where you normally should be awake, they could help.


well I tried some cholinergis, piracetam and choline mainly, i have used nicotine patches because I quit smoking a while ago, and they didn't do very much.
i would like to know what you tried and what did work for you C=

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Posted 22 October 2009 - 04:02 PM

Hey guys,
I've been reading the forums for the last days and I wanted to give a shot at Provigil, I already tried Piracetam with a Choline source, but it didn't have the concentration boosting effects I was looking for, so I found that Provigil/Modafinil seems to be what I'm looking for, more wakefulness, more alertness, more concentration capabilities.
I got a 13 on the Epworth Sleepiness Scale, but my doctor here in Italy just keeps telling me that I'm fine, I just need to sleep more, but I sleep 10 hours every night and I still feel sluggish and I'm just not able to concentrate on anything, especially studying, which is very important right now for me since it's my last year of high school.
Alright here are the questions I need to be answered:

1) How do I get a hold of Provigil? I have a friend in the US that comes here in Italy every now and then, so I can get it shipped to him.

2) How many possibilities are there that I would be incurring in any legal problems by ordering this substance?

3) Do you think that Provigil is the right substance for alertness/concentration, or there is something else I should try first?

Thank you in advance for all of your help


1. You can order it online, I believe.
2. If you are trying to have your friend move it from the US, you could hit legal issues as it is a Schedule IV controlled substance.
3. That is a very individual question/answer. It is designed to promote alertness and wakefulness. However, what works for me might be the worst drug for you. Basically you may have to try to find out.

I would first recommend you get a second opinion from another doctor or other qualified medical professional. It's not normal to feel tired all the time and "you're fine" seems hardly appropriate. That said, I've been working with doctors/tests for over 2 years to find out why I'm tired all the time and they only have guesses and theories at this point. I've been taking Provigil for a few months now and it does help a little. You may find you need to take it regularly for 2-4 weeks before you get the full benefit despite what the doc will tell you. Feel free to PM me if you want to talk about it more.

And as a final note, it does sound like you might be over exerting yourself in the gym. When was the last time you took a break?

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Posted 22 October 2009 - 09:40 PM

Have you given some high quality fish oil and some alcar a try? What's your diet like? You taking a decent multi vitamin? Do you exercise?

What I'm getting at is that you just seem a bit young for modafinil. You might be surprised how much benefit you'll get from exercise and good nutrition if not already in place.


I have a diet which includes all kind of diverse food, every week I eat different kind of vegetables (at least two different per day), once a week I eat fish (even though I hate it) and have a very well planned diet day by day, I balanced out all protein, carbs and fats, everyday I eat something different.
As for workout, I go to the gym 3 times a week for an hour and a half, 30 minutes of cardio and the rest is for lifting weights and power workouts.
I take Opti-Men by Optimum Nutrition, I don't take the full dose, only 2 tablets a day, it seemed to me to be more than enough, and it doesn't make my pee a bright yellow color C=
Every time I work out it seems to me like I'm dying afterwards, I feel lightheaded and it seems like I'm about to faint, I struggle through it, I sit down and after like 5-10 minutes I feel kinda better, yet
I feel very very tired all the time.
I feel like I just woke up every second of my day, and at the end of day I'm so tired I can barely get any studying done, I try to do it in the afternoon before I get sleepy.


A few things occur to me.

First, based on your statement about post-workout light-headedness, you may be working out too much and too hard. You have the classic symptoms of overtraining. I would guess that a significant fraction of your exhaustion is related to this. Walk away from the gym for a while and see if that doesn't help you out. Before you return to the gym, read up on crossfit and primal workouts. No isolation training, lots of whole body exercise, almost no long cardio, plenty of sprints, etc.

Second, you don't reveal nearly enough to indicate what you think "balanced" eating means. Your overall energy level sounds like my experience when I was on a very low fat diet, which was a disaster for my body and health. These days, my idea of balanced eating is 5% carbs, 30-35% protein, remainder fat with an emphasis on whole foods (fatty cuts of meat, organ meat, chicken with skin on (usually dark meat), LOTS of eggs, full-fat dairy, colorful and leafy vegetables, etc.). Other people have found successful balance with very different diets from mine (some even low-fat). Variety does not necessarily mean balance, as much depends on the list of options you're selecting your variety from. Can you tell us more about your diet goals/rules and a few typical meals?

Third, if you think you want Provigil (modafinil), you should take a serious look at Olmifon (adrafinil). A personal supply of adrafinil is unregulated in the US and most EU countries have a more relaxed attitudes towards adrafinil than modafinil (not true in the UK). Adrafinil is a pro-drug to modafinil and is made into modafinil in your liver. The "laser focus" effect starts much more slowly (45 minutes to an hour) and anyone diagnosed with renal insufficiency should get regularly tested while taking adrafinil, but otherwise 300mg adrafinil is nearly identical to 100mg modafinil in effect and duration at about 1/6 the price and with fewer legal hassles.

Fourth, modafinil, adrafinil and other eugeroic drugs are commonly used to manage sleepiness, but do almost nothing for tiredness. Most people don't differentiate between sleepiness and tiredness, but they are extremely different conditions in your body and your mind. If you're tired but taking adrafinil or modafinil, you just become a zombie (you're awake, but you're not really there). From your description of your symptoms, I suspect that you are overly tired, not overly sleepy. Diet, rest (distinct from but including restful sleep), stress level, exercise and fitness. Work through these first and see if you can't fix your tiredness through one or more changes. From there, if you're still stuck, I would seek some tests to rule out endocrine disorders, mono, epstein barr, and chronic fatigue (http://www.nytimes.c...ch/09virus.html potentially associated with a newly discovered human retrovirus XMRV).

Hope this helps.




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