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[AdamSummerfield]

The swine flu vaccination is now available here in the UK. Priority groups are first - hospice personnel, healthcare workers, social workers, pregnant women and some others. Some, mostly right-wing Bible-bashing nationalist Red Scare propaganda victims, think that the vaccination is designed to harm you as part of the NWO takeover, such as this doctor:

I myself will wait around 20 days from now until I have the vaccination.

Adam

[pamojja]

.. mostly right-wing Bible-bashing nationalist Red Scare propaganda victims..

.. don't know what swine flu got to do with Bible bashing Red Scare propaganda - but it certainly has to do with your own health. And any adverse damage through the swine flu shots is something you yourself will be responsible for.

Ask yourself why so many physicians don't get these shots them selfs..

Regards..

[pamojja]

As if there wouldn't be much more effective and healthier alternatives:

The effectiveness of vitamin C in preventing and relieving the symptoms of virus-induced respiratory infections.

Gorton HC, Jarvis K.

BACKGROUND: An ever increasing demand to evaluate the effect of dietary supplements on specific health conditions by use of a "significant scientific" standard has prompted the publication of this study. OBJECTIVE: To study the effect of megadose Vitamin C in preventing and relieving cold and flu symptoms in a test group compared with a control group. DESIGN: Prospective, controlled study of students in a technical training facility. SUBJECTS: A total of 463 students ranging in age from 18 to 32 years made up the control group. A total of 252 students ranging in age from 18 to 30 years made up the experimental or test group. METHOD: Investigators tracked the number of reports of cold and flu symptoms among the 1991 test population of the facility compared with the reports of like symptoms among the 1990 control population. Those in the control population reporting symptoms were treated with pain relievers and decongestants, whereas those in the test population reporting symptoms were treated with hourly doses of 1000 mg of Vitamin C for the first 6 hours and then 3 times daily thereafter. Those not reporting symptoms in the test group were also administered 1000-mg doses 3 times daily. RESULTS: Overall, reported flu and cold symptoms in the test group decreased 85% compared with the control group after the administration of megadose Vitamin C. CONCLUSION: Vitamin C in megadoses administered before or after the appearance of cold and flu symptoms relieved and prevented the symptoms in the test population compared with the control group.

PMID: 10543583 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[tunt01]

think it has to do more with thiomersal, than "red scare"

[Mind]

Wired had a few article about the flu vaccines the other day.

If you don't get the vaccine you are endangering the entire population

Myths about the H1N1 vaccine

General information on vaccines

I have not seen any data that has yet convinced me that the hysteria and prospect of forced vaccinations (H1N1) is warranted. For immune compromised people it is as lethal as the seasonal flu and should be taken seriously. I am not worried about the vaccine itself, but I am not running down to the clininc and standing in line for the vaccine either. It has been in my city for months now and only 1 immune compromised child has died.

[pamojja]

For immune compromised people it is a lethal as the seasonal flu and should be taken seriously.
... It has been in my city for months now and only 1 immune compromised child has died.

I infer you mean swine flue is as dangerous as seasonal without shot. And that the immune comprised child died without getting a shot?

How large is the city you live in?

[Mind]

Form the data I have seen, for healthy individuals, it doesn't seem to be anymore lethal than seasonal flu. The argument the CDC has put forth is that this H1N1 flu is more contagious, and thus if it mutates to become stronger, then it could be trouble.

The city I live in is nearly 100,000 including suburbs.

[niner]

I have not seen any data that has yet convinced me that the hysteria and prospect of forced vaccinations (H1N1) is warranted. For immune compromised people it is as lethal as the seasonal flu and should be taken seriously. I am not worried about the vaccine itself, but I am not running down to the clininc and standing in line for the vaccine either. It has been in my city for months now and only 1 immune compromised child has died.

Prospect of forced vaccinations? You've mentioned this a couple times, and I have yet to see anything like forced vaccinations for the general public being talked about. On the contrary, people who want the vaccine seem to be having a hard time getting it. I have heard of some healthcare facilities where employees are required to get vaccinated. When I was a teacher, decades ago, I had to get an xray to prove that I wasn't going to infect the kids with tuberculosis. These kinds of things are not uncommonly a condition of employment, but using a phrase like "forced vaccinations" makes it sound like the evil jackbooted thugs of the federal government are out to abuse our freedoms, which doesn't appear to be the case. In the modern version of the Red Scare, The Communists have been replaced by The Government as public enemy number one.

[Mind]

Niner, I see you have moved from the "I see no evidence whatsoever of forced vaccinations" to the "I see no attempt at forced vaccinations for the general public" camp. Obviously you have read of the multiple states now forcing health-care workers to take the vaccine.

I see more moves toward compulsory vaccinations everyday. I am not saying it is going to happen (or even greater than 50% chance, it is yet only a remote chance), but it is impossible to ignore the encroaching language from so many government officials (and of course the state and local actions). And, I am not intentionally trying to drum up some sort-of "red scare". It is just out there, the prospect of forced vaccinations, and it is interesting to watch from a social and historical perspective.

What I see in the U.S. so far is 50% of the people waiting in line to get vaccinated and 50% who want nothing to do with it.

[niner]

Niner, I see you have moved from the "I see no evidence whatsoever of forced vaccinations" to the "I see no attempt at forced vaccinations for the general public" camp. Obviously you have read of the multiple states now forcing health-care workers to take the vaccine.

I think it was only the state of New York, but I just want to be accurate.

I see more moves toward compulsory vaccinations everyday. I am not saying it is going to happen (or even greater than 50% chance, it is yet only a remote chance), but it is impossible to ignore the encroaching language from so many government officials (and of course the state and local actions). And, I am not intentionally trying to drum up some sort-of "red scare". It is just out there, the prospect of forced vaccinations, and it is interesting to watch from a social and historical perspective.

That declaration in the linked article doesn't seem to have anything to do with compulsory vaccinations. It is about allowing hospitals the flexibility to deal with an unusually large case load. I just don't see "forced vaccinations" for the general public out there anywhere. What I do see is people raising the specter of them without any evidence, which really does seem like scaremongering.

The article did mention this, pointing out that H1N1 is far more lethal for children than the seasonal flu:

Health authorities are especially concerned about pregnant women, young adults and children. At least 95 children have already died from the virus, far more than usually die during an entire typical flu season.

Although immunocompromised people are undoubtedly in greater danger from this or any flu, most cases that I've heard of have involved secondary infections which can strike anyone.

Edited by niner, 24 October 2009 - 07:10 PM.

[eternaltraveler]

I'll be getting the swine flu vaccine shortly, I've had the seasonal flu vaccine already.

Health care workers should get it, but they should not be forced into getting it by the government. Last I heard NY is backing off on that.

[tunt01]

I'll be getting the swine flu vaccine shortly, I've had the seasonal flu vaccine already.

Health care workers should get it, but they should not be forced into getting it by the government. Last I heard NY is backing off on that.

you got any opinion on the mercury / thiomersal content in these shots?

im gonna ask for the nasal version when i go get it.

[AdamSummerfield]

think it has to do more with thiomersal, than "red scare"

Thiomersal is not harmful. It was removed in 2000 from shots and no difference was observed, disproving any connection.

[Singularity]

think it has to do more with thiomersal, than "red scare"

Thiomersal is not harmful. It was removed in 2000 from shots and no difference was observed, disproving any connection.

Hey Adam, are you still alive? Just checking.

Yeah, mercury is awesome. You should try it with fluoride-marinated Spam bites. DE-LI-CIOUS!

[Cyberbrain]

think it has to do more with thiomersal, than "red scare"

Thiomersal is not harmful. It was removed in 2000 from shots and no difference was observed, disproving any connection.

Hey Adam, are you still alive? Just checking.

Yeah, mercury is awesome. You should try it with fluoride-marinated Spam bites. DE-LI-CIOUS!

At the very least, I'm still here