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#31 steven d

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Posted 29 October 2009 - 10:07 AM

I have an important message. I recently ordered 2 new bottles of neptune krill oil from NOW foods. When I took it and I took lecithin 1 hour later I immidiately realised that the stuff felt much less potent then usual (I did felt some effect, but no drastic change). First I didn't know why, but examining the krill oil capsules it looks like it's much less dense. Krill oil used to be dark red, now it's light orange (there is a big change in color). I'm suspecting that the krill oil is less potent because there is water added to it. Which means less krill oil is each softgel.

I remember (neptune) krill oil was sold out everywhere last month so they must have great difficulty with meeting the market demand.

Remember this is the food supplement industry, not the pharmaceutical industry.

This is how good krill oil looks like:

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I can remember how "normal" krill oil looks like because I take it every day. It used to be dark red. The krill oil I take now looks more like light orange. Maybe it's a good idea to find another krill oil producer?

Edited by steven d, 29 October 2009 - 10:13 AM.


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Posted 29 October 2009 - 03:08 PM

I've read phosphorylated serine should be better and cheaper.
Too bad krill oil is expensive and krill an important resource in our ecosystem.

http://ecosystem-pre...hing_in_pacific

Edited by wolfeye, 29 October 2009 - 03:11 PM.


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Posted 29 October 2009 - 05:37 PM

Has anyone ever tried astaxanthin + phosphatidyl serine + fish oil, instead of the krill?

I realize the reason why you feel the krill is working is because of the structure of the omega 3s, but with no studies behind it, the benefit you feel potentially could simply be from the astaxanthin -- I believe it does reach the brain. It's also a lot, lot cheaper.

Although it still could be increased absorption of omega 3s too --
http://www.nutraingr...e-says-study#at

Study seems to demonstrate an increased plasma level of Omega 3s from krill, as compared to fish oil, but it wasn't an enormously large difference. It's possible that the same benefit could be had simply by taking 30% more fish oil or so, and it'd be less expensive.

Oh, one oddness about the Now krill I noticed -- it contains slightly less astaxanthin on the label, as compared to other brands: 1.25 mg vs 1.5mg. And some manufacturers are switching from Neptune due to supply problems. I know Jarrow switched to Azantis, and I believe Schiff is changing their source for their MegaRed (and also suing Neptune too).

Edited by nameless, 29 October 2009 - 05:43 PM.


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Posted 30 October 2009 - 05:46 PM

Ahh.. This article explains everything. I knew I wasn't wrong.

http://www.nutraingr...after-expansion

The Utah company (Schiff) alleges Neptune three times defaulted on an order of 4000kg of krill oil and then delivered a 500kg consignment it claimed was inferior quality, costing it in the vicinity of $1m in lost orders, reputation, extra processing costs and expense of sourcing another supplier.

So because Neptune krill oil couldn't deliver the 4000 kg of krill oil three times, it delivered 500 kg instead, but this thing was of inferior quality.

Which is exactly what I found. I found the krill oil to be of inferior quality. I actually think they put krill waste (like sludge) in the product I bought. This is why I recently ordered both superba krill oil and azantis (arcticpure/ enzymotec) krill oil. Hopefully using their products will give me my concentration back. Because the product I use now has like 1/10th potency compared to previous.

Edited by steven d, 30 October 2009 - 06:05 PM.


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Posted 30 October 2009 - 06:21 PM

Another option for you, if you feel it's the structure of EPA/DHA that matters, is a newish salmon product, VectorMega : http://www.vectomega.com/

I remember reading about it years ago, as it's supposedly much more absorbable than standard fish oils (not sure if the data supports this entirely, but that's what they claim). New Chapter was supposed to eventually sell it, but I think they decided against.

Downside is it's very expensive (around $35 per bottle) and you get a paltry amount of Omega 3s per capsule. But if it could replace like a dozen krill pills, it may be worth considering.

Edit: Just noticed they offer a free sample on their webpage... better option than paying for a full bottle without trying it first.

Edited by nameless, 30 October 2009 - 06:27 PM.


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Posted 30 October 2009 - 06:36 PM

I found out that using a high dosage of krill oil together with phosphatidyl serine has concentration enhancing properties. I use it against ADD. I find it working better then traditional meds. As a long time dexedrine user I really know what I am talking about. This is my dosage:

08:00 6 softgels krill oil.
09:00 1 softgel phosphatidyl serine.
12:00 1 softgel phosphatidyl serine.
14:00 4 softgels krill oil
15:00 1 softgel phosphatidyl serine.
18:00 1 softgel phosphatidyl serine.
20:00 4 softgels krill oil
21:00 1 softgel phosphatidyl serine.

Total: 14 capsules krill oil and 5 softgels PS.


Have you determined what the total monthly cost of this regimen is? Because both krill oil and PS are super expensive, off the top of my head I could imagine this costing over $100 monthly for these two items alone.

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Posted 30 October 2009 - 06:48 PM

I found out that using a high dosage of krill oil together with phosphatidyl serine has concentration enhancing properties. I use it against ADD. I find it working better then traditional meds. As a long time dexedrine user I really know what I am talking about. This is my dosage:

08:00 6 softgels krill oil.
09:00 1 softgel phosphatidyl serine.
12:00 1 softgel phosphatidyl serine.
14:00 4 softgels krill oil
15:00 1 softgel phosphatidyl serine.
18:00 1 softgel phosphatidyl serine.
20:00 4 softgels krill oil
21:00 1 softgel phosphatidyl serine.

Total: 14 capsules krill oil and 5 softgels PS.


Have you determined what the total monthly cost of this regimen is? Because both krill oil and PS are super expensive, off the top of my head I could imagine this costing over $100 monthly for these two items alone.


My thoughts exactly as I pointed out in an earlier post.

I went ahead and ordered the less pricey version of both, the NSI brand. I'll report back saying if the PS is the same effect as Jarrow, and if I notice a boost from the Krill vs. fish oil.

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Posted 30 October 2009 - 08:55 PM

Regarding the costs. I also take alot of lecithin which is very very cheap. It works just as good as the PS or even stronger, but isn't as calming. Lecithin contains PC (phosphatidyl choline), PE, PI and a littlebit PS also. Using lecithin and sometimes taking PS works very good. Lecithin is very safe too I have read. The good thing about lecithin is that I can take as much as I like.

http://www.vitacost....ecithin-1200-MG

That is the lecithin I take. Because the capsules are very large I chew them.

Another note about costs. It really works for me so it's really worth it in my opinion.

Edited by steven d, 30 October 2009 - 09:04 PM.


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Posted 02 November 2009 - 04:53 PM

I just tried Source Naturals arcticpure krill oil. It's about the only brand that isn't sold out. It works, but it isn't nearly as potent as the neptune krill oil I tried before they had manufacturing problems.

http://www.iherb.com...gels/11576?at=0

I found out that the product actually contains fish oil and natural lemon oil as well:

Other Ingredients
Fish oil, medium chain triglycerides, gelatin, glycerin, mixed tocopherols, ascorbyl palmitate and natural lemon oil.

I now think the product is actually a mix between krill oil and fish oil and natural lemon oil. This explains it's reduced potency.

Also the product is encapsulated in hard gelatin (making it slow release?) so I had to wait 2-4 hours for the effect. Chewing the softgels made the product work quicker thought.

As a side note: I found out that NSI "superior krill oil" has lemon oil as well.

Now I will try superba krill oil (aker biomarine). Hopefully that is good krill oil.

Edited by steven d, 02 November 2009 - 05:26 PM.


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Posted 03 November 2009 - 03:14 AM

I just tried Source Naturals arcticpure krill oil. It's about the only brand that isn't sold out. It works, but it isn't nearly as potent as the neptune krill oil I tried before they had manufacturing problems.

http://www.iherb.com...gels/11576?at=0

I found out that the product actually contains fish oil and natural lemon oil as well:

Other Ingredients
Fish oil, medium chain triglycerides, gelatin, glycerin, mixed tocopherols, ascorbyl palmitate and natural lemon oil.

I now think the product is actually a mix between krill oil and fish oil and natural lemon oil. This explains it's reduced potency.

Also the product is encapsulated in hard gelatin (making it slow release?) so I had to wait 2-4 hours for the effect. Chewing the softgels made the product work quicker thought.

As a side note: I found out that NSI "superior krill oil" has lemon oil as well.

Now I will try superba krill oil (aker biomarine). Hopefully that is good krill oil.


Are they out of krill at iherb.com?

If I notice any boost from my first krill order, I'll check out NOW brand of krill, and maybe the Jarrow. Both NOW and Jarrow have not let me down in the past.

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Posted 03 November 2009 - 08:23 AM

The Jarrow azantis krill oil looks good:

http://www.iherb.com...ftgels/250?at=0
http://www.vitacost....trade-Krill-Oil

It doesn't contain fish oil or lemon oil as the former product.

Unfortunately this product is sold out.

I tried NOW krill oil but it was neptune krill oil (the inferior quality product) and it wasn't a succes.

This is why I am trying this product:

http://www.healthspa...gels-p-144.html

HealthSpark superba krill oil. Superba krill oil is an norwegian (europe) product:

http://www.superba.no/

The asteaxanthin NSI krill oil you ordered, I tried that product too. It works but it's much less potent (look at ingredients). I had to take 4-6 softgels of the NSI product to notice some effect.

Edited by steven d, 03 November 2009 - 08:27 AM.


#42 steven d

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Posted 06 November 2009 - 04:02 PM

Strangely the superba krill oil doesn't work as well as the Neptune brand I had great succes with.

But the krill oil looks dark red and the taste is typically krill.

Time to try the azantis brand from jarrow (now out of stock but next week in sale again).

I don't understand why this is happening, I had great succes using krill oil for longer then 4 months... Now I feel very little... Is this a sudden occuring extreme tolerance or maybe the krill oil is extracted differently (destroying the PC-DHA)? I remember that Neptune uses a patented extraction method. I don't know about azantis/ enzymotec, but they are guaranteeing that their product contains PC-DHA.

I also reintroduced some supplements I used to be using including plusEPA (90%+ EPA fish oil) and sharpthought. But until now I haven't felt the succes I once had.

Edited by steven d, 06 November 2009 - 04:49 PM.


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Posted 15 November 2009 - 12:46 PM

Has anyone tried this mix with what results?

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Posted 23 November 2009 - 12:42 PM

I think I found out why the superba krill oil didn't work but Neptune did.

With great difficulty (probably due to my concentration problems) I studied the krill oil extraction patents:

Superba krill oil:

http://www.faqs.org/...app/20080274203

Neptune krill oil:

http://patft.uspto.g...mp;RS=6,800,299

Superba krill oil is actually heated in order to extract the lipids and neutralize enzymes:

In some preferred embodiments, freshly caught krill is first subjected to a protein denaturation step. The present invention is not limited to any particular method of protein denaturation. In some embodiments, the denaturation is accomplished by application of chemicals, heat, or combinations thereof. In some embodiments, freshly caught krill is wet pressed to obtain oil and meal. In some embodiments, the meal is then heated to a temperature of about 50° C. to about 100° C. for about 20 minutes to about an hour, preferably about 40 minutes to denature the proteins.

But neptune krill oil isn't heated, it's washed with pure acetone or something:

After separation by filtration on an organic solvent resistant filter (metal, glass or paper) the residue is optionally washed with pure acetone, preferably two volumes (original volume of material) to recover yet more lipids. The combined filtrates are evaporated under reduced pressure. Optionally, flash evaporation or spray drying may be used. The water residue obtained after evaporation is allowed to separate from the oil phase (fraction I) at low temperature.

Very interesting is this:

U.S. Pat. No. 4,331,695 (not neptune, but a traditional extraction method) describes a method using pressurized solvents which are gaseous
at room temperature, such as propane, butane or hexane. The extraction is performed at
preferred temperatures of 15 to 80.degree. C. on shredded vegetable or finely divided
animal products. The extracted oils are then made to precipitate under high pressure and
elevated temperatures of 50 to 200.degree. C. However, hexane is a poor extraction
solvent for marine animals such as krill. Furthermore, the high temperatures used in the
precipitation step negatively alters the lipids.


So high temperatures should not be used when extracting krill oil. This explains why superba wasn't effective as the high temperatures may have destroyed the PC-DHA.

#45 steven d

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Posted 01 December 2009 - 02:28 PM

I have a new idea about why krill oil + PS isn't working anymore.

When neurons are stimulated, they release dopamine from the vesicles. The krill oil + PS made extra dopamine release from the vesicles, but in time the vesicles are depleted.

Genistein and amphetamines work different; they inhibit the reuptake or destruction of dopamine (not working on release), so they work independent of the dopamine storage. This is why I never had tolerance on these 2 compounds.

Vitamin B complex and precursors such as l-tyrosine work yet different, they stimulate the production of dopamine. If the production of dopamine is increased, more can be released too. This is why I will try using vitamin b complex together with krill oil and also add l-tyrosine.

In other words; I have to find something that increases dopamine production so that more can be released as well (more in = more out).

Edited by steven d, 01 December 2009 - 03:26 PM.


#46 steven d

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Posted 01 December 2009 - 03:53 PM

I have a new idea about why krill oil + PS isn't working anymore.

When neurons are stimulated, they release dopamine from the vesicles. The krill oil + PS made extra dopamine release from the vesicles, but in time the vesicles are depleted.

Genistein and amphetamines work different; they inhibit the reuptake or destruction of dopamine (not working on release), so they work independent of the dopamine storage. This is why I never had tolerance on these 2 compounds.

Vitamin B complex and precursors such as l-tyrosine work yet different, they stimulate the production of dopamine. If the production of dopamine is increased, more can be released too. This is why I will try using vitamin b complex together with krill oil and also add l-tyrosine.

In other words; I have to find something that increases dopamine production so that more can be released as well (more in = more out).


A part of this scientific article shows what I am thinking about:

http://www.tbiomed.com/content/6/1/21

G. The effect of single action potentials and bursts
It is known [3,4] that there are two typical firing patterns seen in the dopaminergic neurons of the SNc, tonic firing at about 5 Hz and bursts of action potentials with an intraburst frequency of about 15-30 Hz. Dopaminergic neurons respond to reward-related stimuli with increased burst firing [8,79] and burst firing is more effective at raising dopamine levels than tonic firing [80,45]. Recently bursts have been measured in awake, freely-moving animals [81,47,82] in response to rewards and in response to cues for the rewards when the cues have been learned; for a review, see [83].

We see in our model responses that quite similar to those observed experimentally. Panel A of Figure 10 shows the time course of extracellular dopamine in response to steady firing at 5 Hz. All extra dopamine is cleared from the extracellular space before the next action potential arrives as reported in [76]. Note that on this short time scale cytosolic dopamine and vesicular dopamine remain approximately constant. However, Panel B shows that a burst of action potentials at 15 Hz causes a substantial rise in average eda [76]. The model results shown in Figure 10 are similar to the model and experimental results reported in [82], figure 2. Thus, even a very short term shift from tonic firing at 5 Hz to burst firing at 15 Hz produces a large dopamine signal. This shows how sensitive the system is to a brief short-term change in frequency of firing.

Figure 10:

http://www.tbiomed.c...1/21/figure/F10

Bursts increase extracellular dopamine. Panel A shows the eda concentration as a function of time when the tonic firing rate is 5 Hz. The eda from the previous action potential is cleared from the extracellular space before the next action potential arrives. Notice that vesicular dopamine and cytosolic dopamine are not noticeably affected on this short time scale. Panel B shows that a short burst of action potentials at 15 Hz raises extracellular dopamine dramatically during the burst. Even a very short term change from tonic firing at 5 Hz to burst firing at 15 Hz produces a large dopamine signal.

However, if firing continues for a long time at 15 Hz, the feedback on TH via the autoreceptors will cause eda to decline to an intermediate level, higher than normal but not as high as the short term response. The inhibition of TH (TH = Tyrosine hydroxylase?) by increased binding to the autoreceptors happens quickly, but the resulting decrease in cda and vda happens slowly over a nine hour period (Figure 11), and this causes a gradual decrease in eda even though the firing rate remains elevated. Thus, over the long term, the eda concentration gradually habituates to the increased firing rate. It would be interesting to test this prediction of the model experimentally.

Figure 11:

http://www.tbiomed.c...1/21/figure/F11

Habituation to increased firing. At one hour, the firing rate of the neuron is increased from 5 Hz to 15 Hz and eda immediately triples. Then eda gradually decreases to an intermediate value since the increased binding of eda to the autoreceptors inhibits TH and this causes a gradual decline in vesicular dopamine over a nine hour period. Thus the level of eda habituates to the increased firing rate.

So I have to find something to restore (stimulate/ increase) the "Tyrosine hydroxylase" so that more dopamine will be in the vesicles. Or perhaps take l-dopa because it's one step after the TH in dopamine synthesis?

Remember how krill oil+PS was suppost to work:

The brain cells membrane is made of fat. One of these fats is phosphatidyl serine. Krill oil has DHA/EPA connected to phosphatidyl choline. This works as an anchor and enables more phosphatidyl serine to anchor to the cell membrane. More phosphatidyl serine improves the brain electral conduction and makes the electrical signals stronger, causing more neurotransmitters to be released. Something like that...

Edited by steven d, 01 December 2009 - 04:10 PM.


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Posted 24 February 2010 - 03:09 AM

Also forgot to add that I take fish oil along with the Phosphatidyl Serine. I haven't tried the Krill oil yet.

Just a heads up that these are normally pretty pricey supplements. The Phosphatidyl Serine and Krill oil can be found much cheaper at vitacost.com under the NSI brand. I'm going to buy some krill oil and see if I notice a difference.


Hi,
I really think krill oil has eliminated my depressed moods. I find this amazing. I was taking Dr. Mercola's krill supplement, and then I learned I could buy krill from Swanson Vitamins for much less money. Dr. Mercola uses the same krill supplier (AKER) as Swanson does, but Swanson sells their product in bottles of 90, for $15.72. Dr. Mercola's krill only has 60 capsules to a bottle and costs almost 2x as much as the Swanson brand. This is the same krill from the same source. I was amused because people on the Swanson site were complaining that since Swanson switched from Neptune Technologies, to AKER, for it's krill supply, there is less EPA and DHA in the product, but not if you take into account that you are getting 30 more capsules in a bottle. Forty-five grams in a one month supply of high grade krill oil is an offer I can't refuse! Remember, when you look at the Swanson label, you can multiply what you are getting by three, because it shows the values for one capsule, but you take three.

I also used to purchase from NSI. However, I recently called them and learned that their krill (NSI's SKO) comes from China, and they cannot seem to tell me the name of their supplier. It also costs more, for less EPA and DHA, so I am not going with them anymore.

Peace Out!

Elizabeth

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Posted 24 February 2010 - 04:01 AM

Elizjesse,

How do you know Mercola uses AKER? Did you call them and ask, because I didn't see it mentioned on the site?

I'm looking at the Swanson, NOW Neptune Krill Oil, and Mercola's Krill Oil labels and they're all slightly different.

If taken at 1000mg the NKO has more EPA, DHA and astaxanthin than the other 2 brands at 1000mg. Mercola and Swanson at 1000mg are slightly different, yet the same source?

If taken at the recommended doses Swanson (3 = 1500mg), NKO (2 = 1000mg) and Mercola (2 = 1000mg), then Swanson is the highest for EPA and DHA, but is pretty low in astaxanthin. I'm not saying that's really a problem, but if Swanson and Mercola are the same source than why the difference. Swanson at 3 pills is only 75mcg, while Mercola is 600mcg with 2 pills. I didn't see anything on Mercola suggesting that they add astaxanthin.

Either way, I use Mercola (with a 3 month bottle it's only $5 more per month than Swanson, so not double, but I never shopped around) now and occasionally buy NKO from a store when I run out, but if Mercola uses AKER and so does Swanson than I think I'll be switching. Or switch to NKO, because at only a dollar more it's got a lot more astaxanthin than the Swanson brand (1.25mg vs. 75mcg) and just a little less EPA and DHA. I guess I'll have to find out how important it is.

Edit: I also just noticed that Mercola recommends that their Krill not be refrigerated. I've been so use to refrigerating Omega 3's for years that I didn't even notice that. Oops.

Edited by What'sAllThisThen, 24 February 2010 - 04:09 AM.


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Posted 24 February 2010 - 04:43 AM

I wonder if there is a way to chemically conjugate DHA to lecithin as a way to produce this compound from lecithin and fish oil. (could be cheaper then buying krill oil)
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Here's one where they conjugate DHA to Phosphatidylserine

http://www.enzymotec...asp?cc=01030206

I never tried it, but I take PS softgels with Sharp-PS (just regular Phosphatidylserine with a bit of other phospholipids mixed in with it but no Omega 3-s) in them and I just take fish oil at the same time. I figure they combine in my belly at least to some extent, knowing how phospholipids like to react with lipids and water.

Edited by MrSpud, 24 February 2010 - 04:44 AM.


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Posted 16 March 2010 - 12:18 AM

Hi is anyone using NOW brand for Krill Oil & Phosphatidyl Serine? I am starting to use these for ADD & am wondering if this ones a good choice for brand. The Neptune Krill Oil is 500Mg & the PS is 100mg. Any ideas on how to start using them is appreciated. I am an on & off again user of Adderall XR & want to not ever get on it again due to the mood swings. Its been 2yrs off the Adderall & am looking for a more natural approach to keep me focused.
Any Ideas welcomed.
Thanks in Advance!

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 02:40 AM

I have another question, anyone notice a change in sleep habit while on this reg as in improving sleep? When I ended the Adderall I also ended my sleeping pill as well. My sleep habit is: hard to fall asleep & I awake every 2-4hrs & then I don't want to get out of bed. Any suggestions for me here is welcomed. Thanks a bunch!

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 03:20 AM

Neptune Krill Oil has pretty much been the industry standard of Krill Oil since it first became popular. And NOW brand supplements are pretty well respected as well. So you shouldn't have a problem with the NOW NKO. I've used it without problems and although I've never kept a journal to keep track I think I feel brighter (less likely to get the blues) while taking Krill Oil.

I don't take PS so I can't comment on the combo or its effects on mind and sleep.

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Posted 22 March 2010 - 07:53 PM

Thank You! =)

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 12:49 AM

thanks steven_d for this thread..i never heard of krill oil before this (i was taking the traditional fish oil).
i took your advice and the difference is certainly noticeable for me in terms of focus.
i did not exactly follow your "high dosage" regimen but after taking just 1 500mg, i did notice that at least 3 capsules are needed to do the trick (3 capsules + 1 PS complex matrix..btw whats the difference between the various types of Phosphatidyl Serine capsules--i've seen "sharp", complex matrix, etc..anyways..).

iiin terms of brand, i don't want to sound like an advertisement here but i'm a bit surprised nobody mentioned Source Naturals.
I typically order dietary supps from amazon and Source Naturals seems to be a popular brand there. NOW was on there too.
anyways i am currently using SN brand and having pleasing results..so far :) the capsules are dark red, if thats any indication of high quality. unfortunately, i don't have previous krill oil experiences to compare with.

at any rate, hopefully you get to the bottom of your problem steven_d!

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Posted 24 March 2010 - 10:04 PM

It's great to see you are having good results. I haven't had good results when I tried krill oil in the winter, but perhaps the summer will be different. But I recently started high dosage EPA fish oil again and it does work a bit. Perhaps the combination between EPA fish oil and krill oil (the dark red version) will work.

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 05:59 PM

Elizjesse,

How do you know Mercola uses AKER? Did you call them and ask, because I didn't see it mentioned on the site?

I'm looking at the Swanson, NOW Neptune Krill Oil, and Mercola's Krill Oil labels and they're all slightly different.

If taken at 1000mg the NKO has more EPA, DHA and astaxanthin than the other 2 brands at 1000mg. Mercola and Swanson at 1000mg are slightly different, yet the same source?

If taken at the recommended doses Swanson (3 = 1500mg), NKO (2 = 1000mg) and Mercola (2 = 1000mg), then Swanson is the highest for EPA and DHA, but is pretty low in astaxanthin. I'm not saying that's really a problem, but if Swanson and Mercola are the same source than why the difference. Swanson at 3 pills is only 75mcg, while Mercola is 600mcg with 2 pills. I didn't see anything on Mercola suggesting that they add astaxanthin.

Either way, I use Mercola (with a 3 month bottle it's only $5 more per month than Swanson, so not double, but I never shopped around) now and occasionally buy NKO from a store when I run out, but if Mercola uses AKER and so does Swanson than I think I'll be switching. Or switch to NKO, because at only a dollar more it's got a lot more astaxanthin than the Swanson brand (1.25mg vs. 75mcg) and just a little less EPA and DHA. I guess I'll have to find out how important it is.

Edit: I also just noticed that Mercola recommends that their Krill not be refrigerated. I've been so use to refrigerating Omega 3's for years that I didn't even notice that. Oops.



Hi--I just found this post from you. Aker is one of Dr. Mercola's suppliers. He advertised it at one point and so did AKER. Just search "Aker and Mercola Krill." You will find your evidence. However, I was later told that Mercola is using a blend that he makes up from various krill oil sources. This, he answered in a post to me, himself. In any event, the most current Mercola krill label states lower levels of EPA, DHA, and Astaxanthin than, say, the NOW brand of Neptune Krill Oil. That is what I am going with now because it has one of the highest levels of the above fatty acids and antioxidants, and, it is the only krill oil I know of that does not supplement the astaxanthin from a source other than krill, itself. I also like that the krill in the Neptune version is not extracted from cooked krill, like Aker's is. Finally, you can get the NOW Krill from Swanson Vitamins, a one month supply of fresh product, for reasonable price.

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Posted 14 April 2010 - 07:20 PM

I wonder if there is a way to chemically conjugate DHA to lecithin as a way to produce this compound from lecithin and fish oil. (could be cheaper then buying krill oil)


Yes the krill oil properties can be chemically mimicked, but the production costs would most likely outweigh the current krill oil production costs, and for no reasonable benefit.

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Posted 20 January 2019 - 03:45 AM

from my experience NOW foods makes poor quality supplements, generally i don't get results with their supplements. I noticed other brands like Dr Best, life extension, Jarrow offer better quality. You can always tell which brand is good/bad by monitoring it's effect on you



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Posted 20 January 2019 - 07:14 PM

I disagree NOW taurine and citrulline powders are much purer than competition based on what is left undissolved (much more w doctor's best for instance)

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Posted 26 January 2019 - 06:16 AM

The body converts over 10% of ALA into fish acids, and flaxseeds are frequently cited as the healthiest food.

 

The benefits here of phosphatidylserine can likely be chalked up to cortisol activity, membrane integrity, and cholinergic transmission.






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