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Poll: copper (21 member(s) have cast votes)

copper

  1. yes (11 votes [52.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 52.38%

  2. no (10 votes [47.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 47.62%

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#1 ajnast4r

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 01:25 AM


original thread

please read this thread and discuss before voting.

my suggestion still stands at NO copper... copper is very available in healthy diets. studies suggest negative effects from higher percentiles of intake.

#2 shazam

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 09:13 AM

original thread

please read this thread and discuss before voting.

my suggestion still stands at NO copper... copper is very available in healthy diets. studies suggest negative effects from higher percentiles of intake.



500mcg as a glycinate so as not to overly upset the zinc/copper balance would be my stance, though that IS barely anything and you could probably drop it and it would be okay. Current intake is 1.2mg from diet. A good Z to C ratio is anywhere from 10-15Z to 1C according to AOR, who have been the only ones to comment on it, and probably did so for a good reason.

#3 Pike

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 09:33 AM

i give my "conditional yes" vote under the circumstance that we use at least 15mg zinc, otherwise, no.

#4 ajnast4r

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 06:54 PM

i give my "conditional yes" vote under the circumstance that we use at least 15mg zinc, otherwise, no.



the agreed upon amount was 11mg zinc although i wouldnt be opposed to 15mg zinc and 500mcg copper

Edited by ajnast4r, 05 November 2009 - 06:56 PM.


#5 shazam

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Posted 05 November 2009 - 08:24 PM

i give my "conditional yes" vote under the circumstance that we use at least 15mg zinc, otherwise, no.



the agreed upon amount was 11mg zinc although i wouldnt be opposed to 15mg zinc and 500mcg copper


Nor would I...

#6 nameless

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Posted 06 November 2009 - 05:57 AM

15 mg zinc, 500 mcg copper would sound good to me too, and it's a little more balanced than 11 to 0.

#7 shazam

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Posted 11 November 2009 - 03:34 AM

15 mg zinc, 500 mcg copper would sound good to me too, and it's a little more balanced than 11 to 0.


Alright, so let's do this. Where's the zinc topic at?

#8 Esoparagon

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Posted 27 November 2009 - 08:18 AM

Copper is WAY too easy to get in high doses on a normal diet especially if you are eating leafy greens and too much copper will simply mess with peoples zinc and then you'll need to supplement zinc. If people can't get enough copper in their diets, their diets must be very poor, or they aren't trying and they obviously don't care that much about living a long healthy life and long life.

#9 jazzcat

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 03:53 AM

It's not just about zinc.

There is a cu-mo-s triangle. This has been studied more in animals than humans but it applies to humans.

If you supplement any one of those other two minerals you can develop deficiencies of cu and the other missing mineral. Some people take NAC or MSM (or other sources of sulfur like sulfur aminos) and don't realize the problem they can develop. These deficiencies may develop slowly and that could mean the symptoms are less obvious. The problem is that cu def is hard to confirm with lab tests. And if the cause is sulfur supplements then the mo def is the first to develop and that will cause a problem with copper utilazation first.
So you could have a cu problem with somewhat normal looking cu blood levels because your body is not able to utilize it. But a def will develop if this imbalance is not corrected.

It's also possible to take other supplements that can reduce copper or may effect utilization if taken in high enough doses.

Edited by jazzcat, 21 March 2010 - 04:00 AM.





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