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[aikikai]

Hi!

Please list all proven supplements for fat loss. I have been using many supplements through the years, combined, that has caused fat loss for me:

Niacin (high dose, but I cut it out due to Parkinson disease risk [any truth in this?])
Alpha Lipoic Acid
N-Acetyl-L-Carnitine
Fish Oil (Omega-3)
Green Tea
Multi B-Vitamins
Chili Powder
Caffeine (is it really proven for fat loss?)

Also, is there any good supplements for belly fat loss? That area is the hardest part to get fat loss on.

[TheFountain]

I don't remember where I read it but Taurine is suppose to contribute to visceral fat loss. I am not sure of the dosage needed though.

[zoolander]

caffeine.

caffeine increases lipolysis (fat breakdown) and hence liberates free fatty acids into the blood stream for use. It's especially effective if you are a low consumer of coffee or caffeine containing beverages. be mindful though because if you have a predisposed sensitivity to caffeine it could cause cardiovascular complications.

here's what I recommend

Caffeine in the morning (100mg) on waking before breakfast (or any food). This starts the fat breakdown
Light exercise for 30-60 minutes. The fats in the blood stream get burnt as fuel to produce the energy to help you maintain the exercise. The additionally benefit of exercising on waking before food is the lower blood glucose content. The enzyme that breaks down fats is sensitive to the glucose concentration in the blood. If the glucose levels are elevated, this enzyme is inhibited (and rightly so) and the body uses glucose (and not fat) as the fuel. Remember though, exercise must be light because if you over do it you may injure yourself and you'll start using a different fuel source at higher intensities.

Now, you must exercise or the fats in your blood stream will not be used and will eventually just be stored again. The only little bit of extra energy lost will be from your elevated metabolism. Exercise! You didn't think that you were going to just be able to take a pill did you.

IMPORTANT NOTE: please consult your doctor before taking my advice on board. Caffeine can be quite harsh on some people especially if they don't drink it regularly because they are caffeine sensitive.

@TheFountain: so basically you don't know about taurine?

Edited by zoolander, 25 November 2009 - 08:26 AM.

[JLL]

Zoolander's advice seems sound. The supplements you mentioned are the only ones I know. That said, the easiest way to lose weight I've seen is getting rid of grains and cutting back on carbs. Just saw another convert this weekened, who'd sworn she couldn't do it a few months earlier.

[jwilcox25]

Niacin (high dose, but I cut it out due to Parkinson disease risk [any truth in this?])

Can you elaborate on this? Was thinking about adding niacin to a regimen for reducing cholesterol.

For fat loss, Orlistat is supposed to be effective with relatively few side effects, compared to other "specifically for weight-loss" drugs. Mostly just decreased absorption of fat-soluble nutrients and some minor bowel side effects.

[TheFountain]

caffeine.

caffeine increases lipolysis (fat breakdown) and hence liberates free fatty acids into the blood stream for use. It's especially effective if you are a low consumer of coffee or caffeine containing beverages. be mindful though because if you have a predisposed sensitivity to caffeine it could cause cardiovascular complications.

here's what I recommend

Caffeine in the morning (100mg) on waking before breakfast (or any food). This starts the fat breakdown
Light exercise for 30-60 minutes. The fats in the blood stream get burnt as fuel to produce the energy to help you maintain the exercise. The additionally benefit of exercising on waking before food is the lower blood glucose content. The enzyme that breaks down fats is sensitive to the glucose concentration in the blood. If the glucose levels are elevated, this enzyme is inhibited (and rightly so) and the body uses glucose (and not fat) as the fuel. Remember though, exercise must be light because if you over do it you may injure yourself and you'll start using a different fuel source at higher intensities.

Now, you must exercise or the fats in your blood stream will not be used and will eventually just be stored again. The only little bit of extra energy lost will be from your elevated metabolism. Exercise! You didn't think that you were going to just be able to take a pill did you.

IMPORTANT NOTE: please consult your doctor before taking my advice on board. Caffeine can be quite harsh on some people especially if they don't drink it regularly because they are caffeine sensitive.

@TheFountain: so basically you don't know about taurine?

No I read that it contributes to visceral fat loss but I do not remember where. I have been taking taurine for about 6 months now and have noticed that even when I am inactive I do not gain much weight. So maybe there is something to it. And I second that advise about caffeine since some people are slow metabolizers of it.

[caffeinehead]

caffeine.

caffeine increases lipolysis (fat breakdown) and hence liberates free fatty acids into the blood stream for use. It's especially effective if you are a low consumer of coffee or caffeine containing beverages. be mindful though because if you have a predisposed sensitivity to caffeine it could cause cardiovascular complications.

here's what I recommend

Caffeine in the morning (100mg) on waking before breakfast (or any food). This starts the fat breakdown
Light exercise for 30-60 minutes. The fats in the blood stream get burnt as fuel to produce the energy to help you maintain the exercise. The additionally benefit of exercising on waking before food is the lower blood glucose content. The enzyme that breaks down fats is sensitive to the glucose concentration in the blood. If the glucose levels are elevated, this enzyme is inhibited (and rightly so) and the body uses glucose (and not fat) as the fuel. Remember though, exercise must be light because if you over do it you may injure yourself and you'll start using a different fuel source at higher intensities.

Now, you must exercise or the fats in your blood stream will not be used and will eventually just be stored again. The only little bit of extra energy lost will be from your elevated metabolism. Exercise! You didn't think that you were going to just be able to take a pill did you.

IMPORTANT NOTE: please consult your doctor before taking my advice on board. Caffeine can be quite harsh on some people especially if they don't drink it regularly because they are caffeine sensitive.

@TheFountain: so basically you don't know about taurine?

I don't know if 100 mg of caffeine raises cortisol levels, but I've lost the most fat by changing nutrition and cutting out all stimulants. Stimulants seem to add to stubborn fat areas for me...besides topical yohimbe, which burns those areas

[niner]

Supplements that make cardio exercise easier, like ALCAR or resveratrol, might be considered "fat loss", but only if you actually do the exercise. As JLL mentioned, adjusting your diet is probably the most effective thing you can do. You have to toss out the "low fat is good" meme, and eat more healthy fats, while simultaneously giving the boot to the worst of the carbs, i.e. sugars primarily, and high GI white carbs next.

[shaggy]

Supplements that make cardio exercise easier, like ALCAR or resveratrol, might be considered "fat loss", but only if you actually do the exercise.

Interesting comment...how do they make exercise easier? ALC I get a mental boost which may help, nothing from Res I've noticed though.

I like 5 HTP for it's appetite suppressing ability and agree with the green tea. I also have started to look leaner after adding astaxanthin to my arsenal.

I used to use metformin regularly which without doubt helped keep me lean...too many sides in the end though.

[niner]

Supplements that make cardio exercise easier, like ALCAR or resveratrol, might be considered "fat loss", but only if you actually do the exercise.

Interesting comment...how do they make exercise easier? ALC I get a mental boost which may help, nothing from Res I've noticed though.

ALCAR will improve mitochondrial efficiency, although this effect might not be noticeable in younger people. Resveratrol in sufficient dosage will induce mitochondrial biogenesis, and more mitochondria results in more endurance.

[matter_of_time]

CLA
guggul
cafeine
ephedra

BUT all these supps are waist of money.

If you want to lose fat just exercise and eat less calories then you burn during the day.
This sounds easy but is in real life pretty difficult.
The best way is to get some good information about food. Don't dieet.

Some hints:
Try to write down for one month everything you eat and how many calories the ingredients contain. Believe me this will open your eyes.
Eat a big breakfast
Drink at least 500 ml of water before every meal

[kenj]

Supplements that make cardio exercise easier, like ALCAR or resveratrol, might be considered "fat loss", but only if you actually do the exercise.

Interesting comment...how do they make exercise easier? ALC I get a mental boost which may help, nothing from Res I've noticed though.

I like 5 HTP for it's appetite suppressing ability and agree with the green tea. I also have started to look leaner after adding astaxanthin to my arsenal.

I used to use metformin regularly which without doubt helped keep me lean...too many sides in the end though.

Similar eXperiences; -

5-HTP is the anti-craver to rule them all IME, - ALCAR is good for mental stamina, which may ultimately channel into more physical activity, for me.
Despite many anecdotal records on the board, I'm now sure I get an increase in appetite from resveratrol, but I take it in gram dosage anyway because it seems to (n=1) help me recover fast(er) from vigorous physical activity. Plus, in the pretty mirror I look like a Slender Mouse with an Empty Bottle of Wine if I take enough 8-). Interestingly, it wrecked my body first (tendonitis), but no more. Didn't notice anything from astaxanthin, FWIW.

Now, metformin is a lil' tricky. I think it may interfere with several nutrients, like B12. And it's well known to be harsh on the tummy. I started with 250mg for several days, and took 500mg for many months, - took breaks (metformin doesn't agree with a sh!tty diet!), - before moving up to a gram daily (current). And taking with a long-term low'ish-caloric diet I don't experience any sides, AFAIK, from this dose.

[zoolander]

Orlistat is supposed to be effective with relatively few side effects

Oil leaking slowly out of your arse throughout the day is a side-effect. Of course if you are happy with the anal leakage/seepage then ....give it a go.

Stimulants seem to add to stubborn fat areas for me...besides topical yohimbe, which burns those areas

Be careful where you rub that yohimbine because It might just (not) work.

Edited by zoolander, 26 November 2009 - 09:03 AM.

[hamishm00]

I take all of this:

CLA
Green tea
Caffeine
Whey protein in the morning
Alcar
Taurine
Niacin
Resveratrol

I noticed no difference in fat metabolism when I was doing no exercise.

One month in the gym and hey presto the fat comes down and lean muscle mass goes up.
The rate at which the fat burns off and the muscle comes on is impressive, even better than when I was 25.
Could be one or more or all of these supplements? Who knows. It could be the testosterone boost from the resveratrol, it could be higher levels of muscle carnitine....etc etc

[aikikai]

Niacin (high dose, but I cut it out due to Parkinson disease risk [any truth in this?])

Can you elaborate on this? Was thinking about adding niacin to a regimen for reducing cholesterol.

Niacin is a key role player in energy metabolism. I was taking 250 mg/day of niacin. I have now cut it down to the normal content in a multivitamin. However, it was a great fat loss reducer for me combined with a low carbohydrate food intake.

[Moonbeam]

Remember though, exercise must be light because if you over do it you may injure yourself and you'll start using a different fuel source at higher intensities.

What fuel source? Unless it's protein from your muscles, it can't be bad, but that's the only other one I can think of. Why would that be the case, if the exercise is not light?

[shaggy]

Remember though, exercise must be light because if you over do it you may injure yourself and you'll start using a different fuel source at higher intensities.

What fuel source? Unless it's protein from your muscles, it can't be bad, but that's the only other one I can think of. Why would that be the case, if the exercise is not light?

Agree with you here...

Low intensity exercise is alot less beneficial in the bigger picture.

Forget the myth that you burn more body fat at certain intensity levels - what is important is overall calories burned and you expend much more energy at a higher intensity when exercising for the same duration. High-intensity exercise burns more fat calories, as well as carbohydrate calories, on an absolute basis than lower intensity activities, period.

[kurdishfella]

i have a theory that when you get overweight your body produces more phenethylamine in order to reduce hunger and weight by suppressing appetite and boosting neurotransmitters and metabolism. PEA is produced in the spinal cord which I think production is increased there so to hold all the weight by strengthing connection spine to brain and rest of the body.

Edited by kurdishfella, 13 June 2020 - 06:46 PM.

[Rocket]

To address the question about weight loss supplements, there are indeed real things out there that do burn fat. The thing is that unless you alter you diet and exercise, it comes back fairly quickly.

Ghrp2 or hgh used for months will definitely burn some fat, but its best to combine with fasted cardio.

By far the best results I have seen come from dnp. Yes its dangerous if you take too much but so is caffeine. So are many many many things we all experiment with. I've seen 5 lbs pure fat a week lost with dnp in a week, but you will feel awful and I would never ever take it except during winter months.

Genetically I carry belly fat like a lot of men. I have to go on an extreme diet to lose it and I can't maintain it as its too difficult. Sometimes you've got to accept your genetics and move on.