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[The Likud Is Behind It]

Thanks bmud, will read it later.
I'm also interested in Sulbutiamine, Picamilon and Pyritinol, may I ask about which brand you are taking and from where you bought yours and would you mind to tell a little more about your experience with them?

I went to google, typed in the name of the supplement and did comparison shopping for the lowest price on each. I don't know the brands and am not brand loyal.

I actually had a very strong reaction for each of these supplements. The first time I took sulbutiamine my upper lip quivered for an hour. I actually had a physical reaction. The next day was my clearest thinking day up until that point. I also had a strong reaction to Picamilon. Like sulbutiamine, my upper lip quivered but for a much shorter period. I almost think I had some sort of deficiency that these two supplements fixed.

The first time I took pyritinol I was still taking Vyvanse, an amphetamine. The combination of pyritinol and vyvanse gave me the shakes. I couldn't stop my hand from automatic twitching. It's like I was overdosing on amphetamines. The next day I did it again and simply felt energized.

My strong physical reactions to these three supplements leads me to believe I had some sort of B vitamin deficiency up until I started taking them. Now I simply have a clear head that lasts all day.

[cougar]

Thanks bmud, will read it later.
I'm also interested in Sulbutiamine, Picamilon and Pyritinol, may I ask about which brand you are taking and from where you bought yours and would you mind to tell a little more about your experience with them?

I went to google, typed in the name of the supplement and did comparison shopping for the lowest price on each. I don't know the brands and am not brand loyal.

I actually had a very strong reaction for each of these supplements. The first time I took sulbutiamine my upper lip quivered for an hour. I actually had a physical reaction. The next day was my clearest thinking day up until that point. I also had a strong reaction to Picamilon. Like sulbutiamine, my upper lip quivered but for a much shorter period. I almost think I had some sort of deficiency that these two supplements fixed.

The first time I took pyritinol I was still taking Vyvanse, an amphetamine. The combination of pyritinol and vyvanse gave me the shakes. I couldn't stop my hand from automatic twitching. It's like I was overdosing on amphetamines. The next day I did it again and simply felt energized.

My strong physical reactions to these three supplements leads me to believe I had some sort of B vitamin deficiency up until I started taking them. Now I simply have a clear head that lasts all day.

Just read your new thread, fantastic. Thanks a lot.
Do you take all these three "Vitamin B nootropics" at the same time and how did you adjujst dosage of each?

[The Likud Is Behind It]

Just read your new thread, fantastic. Thanks a lot.
Do you take all these three "Vitamin B nootropics" at the same time and how did you adjujst dosage of each?

I take them all at the same time. I know the picamilon is 150mg. That's because price comparison shopping got me the most picamilon for the least amount of money with pills at 150mg. The sulbutiamine i use 2 1/3 teaspoons each day. I don't know how many grams that is, but it lasts me about 30 days. I don't remember the dosage on the pyritinol off the top of my head. It was also the dosage that got me the most when I checked prices on google.

[planetjeffy]

Modafinal, deprenyl, hydergine, piracetum, 5htp and melatonin work for me. The first 4 in small amounts since they are synergistic.

[nito]

how d you convince your doc to give you modafinal, even though you have not been diagnosed adhd. Basically shud i just say that i can't concentrate and always feel tired? Or any other line that works?

[cougar]

how d you convince your doc to give you modafinal, even though you have not been diagnosed adhd. Basically shud i just say that i can't concentrate and always feel tired? Or any other line that works?

Yes, this could be a problem. I asked my doctor to prescribe modafinil to me but he never heard about this drug. I showed him the page on my phone, he didn't read it but he looked it up in his drug book and found it. He read very fast on it and saw the wording of "CNS stimulant" which made him uncomfortable with but he still prescribed 10 tablets to me. However, he told me that he wouldn't give me any more the next time and suggested me again to change a doctor. I was so frustrated as in his eyes I was a "trouble" patient who always asked him to order blood test, to refer to specialist and to prescribe drugs. I hate this drug regulation system. I believe it should be my freedom to take any medication I want to take since it's my own health not anybody else's health.

Edited by cougar, 03 January 2010 - 03:59 PM.

[Logan]

how d you convince your doc to give you modafinal, even though you have not been diagnosed adhd. Basically shud i just say that i can't concentrate and always feel tired? Or any other line that works?

Yes, this could be a problem. I asked my doctor to prescribe modafinil to me but he never heard about this drug. I showed him the page on my phone, he didn't read it but he looked it up in his drug book and found it. He read very fast on it and saw the wording of "CNS stimulant" which made him uncomfortable with but he still prescribed 10 tablets to me. However, he told me that he wouldn't give me any more the next time and suggested me again to change a doctor. I was so frustrated as in his eyes I was a "trouble" patient who always asked him to order blood test, to refer to specialist and to prescribe drugs. I hate this drug regulation system. I believe it should be my freedom to take any medication I want to take since it's my own health not anybody else's health.

He is definitely trying to cover his ass. You have to consider liability when it comes to doctors just prescribing patients whatever they want.

[cougar]

how d you convince your doc to give you modafinal, even though you have not been diagnosed adhd. Basically shud i just say that i can't concentrate and always feel tired? Or any other line that works?

Yes, this could be a problem. I asked my doctor to prescribe modafinil to me but he never heard about this drug. I showed him the page on my phone, he didn't read it but he looked it up in his drug book and found it. He read very fast on it and saw the wording of "CNS stimulant" which made him uncomfortable with but he still prescribed 10 tablets to me. However, he told me that he wouldn't give me any more the next time and suggested me again to change a doctor. I was so frustrated as in his eyes I was a "trouble" patient who always asked him to order blood test, to refer to specialist and to prescribe drugs. I hate this drug regulation system. I believe it should be my freedom to take any medication I want to take since it's my own health not anybody else's health.

He is definitely trying to cover his ass. You have to consider liability when it comes to doctors just prescribing patients whatever they want.

I'm sorry that I couldn't understand your metaphor since English is my secondary language.

Edited by cougar, 03 January 2010 - 10:48 PM.

[Logan]

how d you convince your doc to give you modafinal, even though you have not been diagnosed adhd. Basically shud i just say that i can't concentrate and always feel tired? Or any other line that works?

Yes, this could be a problem. I asked my doctor to prescribe modafinil to me but he never heard about this drug. I showed him the page on my phone, he didn't read it but he looked it up in his drug book and found it. He read very fast on it and saw the wording of "CNS stimulant" which made him uncomfortable with but he still prescribed 10 tablets to me. However, he told me that he wouldn't give me any more the next time and suggested me again to change a doctor. I was so frustrated as in his eyes I was a "trouble" patient who always asked him to order blood test, to refer to specialist and to prescribe drugs. I hate this drug regulation system. I believe it should be my freedom to take any medication I want to take since it's my own health not anybody else's health.

He is definitely trying to cover his ass. You have to consider liability when it comes to doctors just prescribing patients whatever they want.

I'm sorry that I couldn't understand your metaphor since English is my secondary language.

Are you joking or are you serious? "Cover his ass" basically means that he needs to protect himself from getting in trouble for giving a patient medications just because they want them. If something were to go wrong and it was found out that the the patient did not need the drug for any medical condition, he could get in quite a bit of trouble. This is what I was talking about when I mentioned "liability".

I would just try to find a doctor that might give you what you want.

[cougar]

how d you convince your doc to give you modafinal, even though you have not been diagnosed adhd. Basically shud i just say that i can't concentrate and always feel tired? Or any other line that works?

Yes, this could be a problem. I asked my doctor to prescribe modafinil to me but he never heard about this drug. I showed him the page on my phone, he didn't read it but he looked it up in his drug book and found it. He read very fast on it and saw the wording of "CNS stimulant" which made him uncomfortable with but he still prescribed 10 tablets to me. However, he told me that he wouldn't give me any more the next time and suggested me again to change a doctor. I was so frustrated as in his eyes I was a "trouble" patient who always asked him to order blood test, to refer to specialist and to prescribe drugs. I hate this drug regulation system. I believe it should be my freedom to take any medication I want to take since it's my own health not anybody else's health.

He is definitely trying to cover his ass. You have to consider liability when it comes to doctors just prescribing patients whatever they want.

I'm sorry that I couldn't understand your metaphor since English is my secondary language.

Are you joking or are you serious? "Cover his ass" basically means that he needs to protect himself from getting in trouble for giving a patient medications just because they want them. If something were to go wrong and it was found out that the the patient did not need the drug for any medical condition, he could get in quite a bit of trouble. This is what I was talking about when I mentioned "liability".

I would just try to find a doctor that might give you what you want.

Thanks for explaining this to me. It's not easy to find a nice and open minded doctor in Canada who really listen to patients.

Edited by cougar, 04 January 2010 - 05:13 AM.

[Logan]

how d you convince your doc to give you modafinal, even though you have not been diagnosed adhd. Basically shud i just say that i can't concentrate and always feel tired? Or any other line that works?

Yes, this could be a problem. I asked my doctor to prescribe modafinil to me but he never heard about this drug. I showed him the page on my phone, he didn't read it but he looked it up in his drug book and found it. He read very fast on it and saw the wording of "CNS stimulant" which made him uncomfortable with but he still prescribed 10 tablets to me. However, he told me that he wouldn't give me any more the next time and suggested me again to change a doctor. I was so frustrated as in his eyes I was a "trouble" patient who always asked him to order blood test, to refer to specialist and to prescribe drugs. I hate this drug regulation system. I believe it should be my freedom to take any medication I want to take since it's my own health not anybody else's health.

He is definitely trying to cover his ass. You have to consider liability when it comes to doctors just prescribing patients whatever they want.

I'm sorry that I couldn't understand your metaphor since English is my secondary language.

Are you joking or are you serious? "Cover his ass" basically means that he needs to protect himself from getting in trouble for giving a patient medications just because they want them. If something were to go wrong and it was found out that the the patient did not need the drug for any medical condition, he could get in quite a bit of trouble. This is what I was talking about when I mentioned "liability".

I would just try to find a doctor that might give you what you want.

Thanks for explaining this to me. It's not easy to find a nice and open minded doctor in Canada who really listen to patients.

Believe me, it's not easy to find this kind of doctor in the State either. Maybe areas of Europe are different, not sure.

[Mary]

how d you convince your doc to give you modafinal, even though you have not been diagnosed adhd. Basically shud i just say that i can't concentrate and always feel tired? Or any other line that works?

Yes, this could be a problem. I asked my doctor to prescribe modafinil to me but he never heard about this drug. I showed him the page on my phone, he didn't read it but he looked it up in his drug book and found it. He read very fast on it and saw the wording of "CNS stimulant" which made him uncomfortable with but he still prescribed 10 tablets to me. However, he told me that he wouldn't give me any more the next time and suggested me again to change a doctor. I was so frustrated as in his eyes I was a "trouble" patient who always asked him to order blood test, to refer to specialist and to prescribe drugs. I hate this drug regulation system. I believe it should be my freedom to take any medication I want to take since it's my own health not anybody else's health.

Hi all I'm new here. I have Multiple Sclerosis and have found that provigil and the newer nuvigil work well for me; BUT since the FDA won't approved for MS fatigue/lassitude - insurance won't cover it. I've been online looking for alternate sources which seem to have dried up over the past year - someone is cracking down on something... I came across this sight in have been reading through the experiences you have had with these supplements. I desperately need to find a way to duplicate the longer-term wakefulness that I can get with 250MG armadofinil (sans headache please). I already take B12 and 4000IU D3 daily and flaxseed oil (not a nootropic). One listing commented on the 5 they felt best for the repair of neurological issues.

I show some cognitive decline in processing and memory as well as sensory overload including sound and lighting (and too many people doing too many things.) I was a multi tasking queen before dx'd with MS. If anyone has insight, it would be fabulous! I would also love any reference that you have, I would share with my very progressive and research minded docs that even let get scripts from Up NORTH until that was shut down.

Thanks a bunch!

postscript - on the modafinil; there was a comment about not being dx'd with adhd. modafinil is not an adhd drug, only approved for narco, edss from sleep apnea, and shift workers syndrome. just fyi on that. Same goes for armodafinil. (Off label uses are MS, I guess others!)

[rwac]

Hi all I'm new here. I have Multiple Sclerosis...

I show some cognitive decline in processing and memory as well as sensory overload including sound and lighting (and too many people doing too many things.)

Mary,

Have you considered the possibility that it is actually Lyme which has similar symptoms as MS ?
It would be worth talking to an LLMD (Lyme Literate MD) and perhaps get a Western Blot.

After all, what have you got to lose ? MS has no treatment, and Lyme is treated with antibiotics.

[Mary]

Hi all I'm new here. I have Multiple Sclerosis...

I show some cognitive decline in processing and memory as well as sensory overload including sound and lighting (and too many people doing too many things.)

Mary,

Have you considered the possibility that it is actually Lyme which has similar symptoms as MS ?
It would be worth talking to an LLMD (Lyme Literate MD) and perhaps get a Western Blot.

After all, what have you got to lose ? MS has no treatment, and Lyme is treated with antibiotics.

Yep, good thought. The neuro that DX'd me ran me through all the various physiological tests first. It is true that MS can mimic many other illness (vice/versa?) I may look through my old files and see if I have those test results to double check. But, I've been DX'd for 7 years with stable MRI lesions (no new, none going away), so it would surprise me to find that. Thanks!

[rwac]

Yep, good thought. The neuro that DX'd me ran me through all the various physiological tests first. It is true that MS can mimic many other illness (vice/versa?) I may look through my old files and see if I have those test results to double check. But, I've been DX'd for 7 years with stable MRI lesions (no new, none going away), so it would surprise me to find that. Thanks!

The problem there is that a lot of people who have Lyme don't test positive by the CDC criteria.
Having some positive bands is treated as negative ...

The reliable way to check is to do a trial run of antibiotics, for say a month and see if you respond to it.

[Monalyssa]

Thanks for your post
I am going to take LSAT (the law school entrance exam). I would like to take something that would enhance my thinking - help me concentrate and memorize.
I never have taken any of these noortropics. I get off work and come home to my kids. I am a single mom. I dont have much energy left after the day is over. I would like to have more energy and time (ha..wish there was a drug for that).....time, I can make happen.

What type of professional exams do you take?

My main concern is test taking. I take a lot of professional exams which require an enormous amount memorization.

Top 5 nootropic supplements for studying:

piracetem
choline
vasopressin taken right when I study
galantamine before bed
melatonin before bed

Top 5 nootropic supplements for day of test:


Nicotine patch, 21 mg that morning
piracetem
choline
Vitamin B12
Bacopa before bed the night before test

I do like adderall but it can sometimes make me too anxious, which hurts my memory performance. It can just sometimes be too much for me.

[SmartDrugs Mexico]

I'm currently on selegiline 5 mg pills (Brand name NIAR here in Mexico) and it works pretty well for concentration, focus and motivation, when im not on selegiline i go for modafinil, brand name modiodal here... both are a little expensive but they are worth the money. on modafinil i can concentrate and plan , my verbal and working memory are very increased. I am pro smart drugs, here in mexico there is no smart drugs movements or communities or anything, the only good thing is that you can get almost any of this drugs without a prescription..... so if anyone wants something shipped from Mexico im here to help... i can purchase for you selegiline, modafinil, strattera, any SSRI, Hydergine,etc my gmail is : smartdrugsmexico@gmail.com

Substance ONLY BRAND NAME, no generics


Modafinilio modiodal


Selegilina niar





Atomoxetine Strattera


Mesilato de co-dercocrina Hydergina


Desmopressin Minirin *Nasal Spray


Sulbutiamine Arcalion pills 200 mg


Oxiracetam


Piracetam Nootropil



Meclofenoxato/ centrofenoxina Lucidril



Adrafinilo Olmifon


Setralina Altruline


Fluoxentina Prozac


Agomelatina Valdoxan





Trazadona Sideril

[robosapiens]

Alpha GPC
Hydergine
Noopept
Lions Maine
Fish Oil

[Ark]

MY TOP 8 IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER.

Picamilon
stablon
Lion's mane

IDRA-21

NOOPEPT

Deprenyl

NS-189
COLURACETAM


Bonus goodies

Cerebrolysin
L-theanine/Mag-l-thorate combo;
bacopa/ashwanda combo,

provigil is cool but i cycle it because i feel burned out after a few months on 300 mg a day.

Nameda is cool also.

Metheylene blue (highly underrated)

[Ark]

cytidine 5'-diphosphocholine

[Ark]

& last but not least Rhynchophylline

[Sholrak]

1) Cerebrolysin
2)Ciltep
3)Rhodiola/ALCAR
4)Caffeine/theanine
5)Melatonin



Note i have not tried Selegiline, Modafinil, others racetams, NSI, Fish Oil, Phosphatidylserine, B vits./B12... well other big stuff

[Acetylnordopatoninol]

• Rhodiola
• ALCAR
• Ashwagandha
• Pramiracetam
• Green Tea

[mrd1]

1.Exercise (aerobic + anaerobic)
2. Challenging mental tasks e.x. graduate courses
3. Noopept + Sunifiram or Aniracetam
4. Tumeric + black pepper + green tea extract
5. Uridine + choline + uridine + ALCAR

[fntms]

WHERE CAN I GET LIONS MANE TO SHIP INTERNATIONALLY? any help would be appreciated.

You can also get some good quality 30-40%...extract for much cheaper from sellers on aliexpress.
I stopped using it because I found it was too stimulating after a while (about 12 months), and because its modus operandi is unknown. It might be messing with the cholinergic system in unwanted ways (although it doesn't feel like a AChE inhibitor).

[unregistered_user]

In no particular order:
1~Copious amounts of water (with electrolytes). I learned of the mind-enhancing properties of electrolytes from watching the movie Idiocracy. In fact that movie is where I get most of my mind-expanding techniques from.
2~Beer & bicycling (I feel extra special about myself that I am better than car-drivers since I emit no carbon other than the occasional accidental flatulence, although I admit to feeling really guilty when I can't hold that in and therefore add to the deadly CO2 pollution).
3~Getting mugged at gunpoint (I always worry that the gun may go off and accidently injure my underprivileged attacker), plus the adrenaline rush makes me feel real good.
4~Listening to liberal sermons about the impending doom of global warming and why our entire economy should be based on non-carbon emitting green technology
5~Organic unpasteurized raw milk, bc brucellosis never hurt anyone! Raw, natural and organic are all good for you, my whole-foodist Yoga instructor told me so.
~Sometimes I use hypothermia as a substitute for #4 if a Liberal isn't immediately available to expound his/her wisdom and virtue onto me. It makes me feel safer from the effects of our over-heating atmosphere and prevents my shirt from catching on fire. Drinking 2 pints of beer will help you feel not as cold too.
~Also, ff you can't find a freezer to hide in and protect yourself from global warming sometimes ample amounts weed and LSD can serve as a substitute to teleport your consciousness into hyperspace where evil carbon dioxide can't exist. I've experienced no adverse interactions between any of these nootropics to date!

Cheers to false science! (Al G. & his followers are all frauds!)

I think it might be hard for you to get away with denying global warming in a community like this. Droll post nonetheless.

[mission780]

1. Low dose of LSD
2. Low dose of cannabis
3. Taurine (mainly stimulation - for faster thinking)
4. Piracetam+Choline (not sure about their effects, maybe my dose is too small 600-1200mg everyday or every other day)
5. Vit. B (I only believe it helps:))

I am going to try Noopept in a few days. I am really interested if I will feel any effects from it. So far I have never felt any clear effects of traditional nootropics (piracetam, choline, hydergine, selegine). However I have always felt great effects of 'nootropic doses' of psychedelics.

Edited by mission780, 03 December 2013 - 04:37 PM.

[SmartDrugs Mexico]

My best nootropics in order of effectiveness :

Modafinil
Niar
Hydergine
Nootropil





checkout my site www.nootropicsmexico.com

[Ark]

My best nootropics in order of effectiveness :

Modafinil
Niar
Hydergine
Nootropil





checkout my site www.nootropicsmexico.com

kind of expensive but i'll save your website.

[yborcity]

• noopept for creativity (gret for writers/designers/publicists)
• phenibut for relaxing ( no alcohol while on it)
• deprenyl/selegiline for sex drive ( as described also in Morgenthaler/Dean/Fowkes book "smart drugs 2"- page 35 est.1994)
• huperzine A for vivid dreams (enhancing better rem cycles)
• ecgc ( green tea flavonoids for fat loss too)