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[RighteousReason]

Winter Could Be Worst in 25 Years for USA...
CHILL MAP...
3 Deaths Due To Cold in Memphis...
PAPER: GAS SUPPLIES RUNNING OUT IN UK...
Vermont sets 'all-time record for one snowstorm'...
Iowa temps 'a solid 30 degrees below normal'...
Seoul buried in heaviest snowfall in 70 years...
Historic ice build-up shuts down NJ nuclear power plant...
Beijing -- coldest in 40 years...
Miami shivers from coldest weather in decade...

http://www.drudgereport.com/

Edited by RighteousReason, 05 January 2010 - 03:42 AM.

[JLL]

Yes. I hope they find a way to heat this planet when some of the old school ice age shit starts hitting the fan.

[niner]

Weather != Climate.

[JLL]

Yes, but many weathers a climate makes. If you suddenly get snow in Sahara, it tells you something, even though "weather != climate".

[platypus]

Yes, but many weathers a climate makes. If you suddenly get snow in Sahara, it tells you something, even though "weather != climate".

Apparently 2009 was the 2nd warmest year on record..

http://www.realclima...-by-jim-hansen/

[maxwatt]

http://www.nature.co...ll/463161b.html

"document[ws] the unfolding of a multi-pronged public-relations assault on the veracity of climate change. One tactic is 'astroturfing' — the development of faux grass-roots organizations that aim to transform lobbyists into activists and that can make source-funding and motives difficult to track. A strategy originally used by the tobacco industry, it has been honed and expanded by groups funded by the oil, gas and coal industries."

FWIW, both Antartica and Greenland are have had warmth this winter, 20 degrees above what is normal.

[JLL]

Yes, but many weathers a climate makes. If you suddenly get snow in Sahara, it tells you something, even though "weather != climate".

Apparently 2009 was the 2nd warmest year on record..

http://www.realclima...-by-jim-hansen/

It sure didn't seem that way... and those are surface temperatures.

[platypus]

Yes, but many weathers a climate makes. If you suddenly get snow in Sahara, it tells you something, even though "weather != climate".

Apparently 2009 was the 2nd warmest year on record..

http://www.realclima...-by-jim-hansen/

It sure didn't seem that way... and those are surface temperatures.

Sure it didn't in the inhabited areas in the Northern Hemisphere during this winter, however Greenland and parts of Siberia have experienced warmer than usual temperatures. I think a flip in the "Arctic Oscillation" is responsible for this:

http://nsidc.org/arc...scillation.html

[AdamSummerfield]

End The Ice Age

[JLL]

End The Ice Age

Nice! I've been saying this for over a year now. If CO2 emissions really do warm the planet, that's a good thing. Unfortunately, I don't think that's the case. We need better solutions.

[forever freedom]

Hope we do go into a new Ice Age or something, because the fucking weather here in Brazil is so intolerably hot and sunny it makes me sick. I wish i lived in England just for the weather there.


Seriously, i'd be glad with a few less degrees (Celsius) per year. That's just me, of course, because i do have an idea of the damage that such a climate change could do.

Edited by forever freedom, 03 April 2010 - 02:13 AM.

[EmbraceUnity]

End The Ice Age

I just saw this recently as well. Interesting stuff. Of course I wouldn't want to be a guinea pig testing out the effects of dramatically increased CO2. However, I do think that we will need to figure out how to prevent the next ice age some time in the next few centuries, or millennia. Doesn't seem urgent though.

[AdamSummerfield]

According to the article's sources the next ice age is overdue.

[EmbraceUnity]

According to the article's sources the next ice age is overdue.

true, but geological time is different than human time. A 1% variance is thousands of years, so it probably won't even start for quite awhile. However, even if it started today it wouldn't be an insurmountable challenge. The transitions would also be slow in human terms. You wouldn't just wake up one morning with a glacier through your living room. The transition could also take 1000s of years.

[AdamSummerfield]

According to the article's sources the next ice age is overdue.

true, but geological time is different than human time. A 1% variance is thousands of years, so it probably won't even start for quite awhile. However, even if it started today it wouldn't be an insurmountable challenge. The transitions would also be slow in human terms. You wouldn't just wake up one morning with a glacier through your living room. The transition could also take 1000s of years.

I see.

[rephore]

Hope we do go into a new Ice Age or something, because the fucking weather here in Brazil is so intolerably hot and sunny it makes me sick. I wish i lived in England just for the weather there.

Seriously, i'd be glad with a few less degrees (Celsius) per year. That's just me, of course, because i do have an idea of the damage that such a climate change could do.

I love snow. I love skiing. I love snowboarding. I love snowmobiling. I love wintersports and everything about winter. The whole world deserves to experience these treasure as well. Let there be ice.

[donjoe]

I love snow. I love skiing. I love snowboarding. I love snowmobiling. I love wintersports and everything about winter.

Trust me, you only love them in small doses.

http://www.foxnews.c...ntists-warming/

Edited by donjoe, 20 May 2010 - 11:43 PM.

[shadowhawk]

End The Ice Age

http://www.globalwarming.org/
http://www.climatech...rming-reporting
http://www.climatedepot.com/
http://article.natio...ths/iain-murray
http://www.junkscience.com/
http://mc-computing....ming/index.html
http://www.iceagenow.com/
http://icecap.us/index.php
http://www.globalclimatescam.com/
http://www.globalwar...ax.com/news.php
http://www.wnho.net/global_warming.htm
http://www.middlebur...warming-01.html
http://scienceandpub...goreerrors.html
http://www.americant...n_religion.html
http://www.globalwarming.org/

here are some more

[Luna]

It's well hot in here! But yeah, personal experience or one result doesn't count.. then again, many more people seem to support global warming and laugh at cooling.. so we don't really know now, do we?

[maxwatt]

It's well hot in here! But yeah, personal experience or one result doesn't count.. then again, many more people seem to support global warming and laugh at cooling.. so we don't really know now, do we?

We know. Some deny.

Exxon and Koch pay to muddy the waters.

I am buying land in Canada for my children.

[abolitionist]

http://www.infowars....useless-eaters/

[wowser]

There seems to be conflicting 'evidence' regarding whether there is in fact any global cooling or global warming or neither... am I right?

[platypus]

There seems to be conflicting 'evidence' regarding whether there is in fact any global cooling or global warming or neither... am I right?

No. The planet has clearly warmed up since the 1970s'.

[wowser]

There seems to be conflicting 'evidence' regarding whether there is in fact any global cooling or global warming or neither... am I right?

No. The planet has clearly warmed up since the 1970s'.

Yes, you are right that there has been a mean slight increase in temperature within the past 30-40 years; however in the grander scale (e.g. past 300-400 years) this is only a minor fluctuation, namely a peak, where elsewhere there are troughs which even things out. I definitely remember reading this somewhere. Though please feel free to correct me!

[platypus]

No. The planet has clearly warmed up since the 1970s'.

Yes, you are right that there has been a mean slight increase in temperature within the past 30-40 years; however in the grander scale (e.g. past 300-400 years) this is only a minor fluctuation, namely a peak, where elsewhere there are troughs which even things out. I definitely remember reading this somewhere. Though please feel free to correct me!

Yes, so far the change has been minor on average, even though at the poles the effects are already large (especially North). The problem is that a large rise in global temperature due to Greenhouse gases etc. cannot be ruled out. The planet can barely grow enough food for everyone in the current climate so it is virtually certain that a real climatic shift will necessarily reduce population by a few billion.