23 replies to this topic

[Luna]

I am not working yet (bad bad bad!) but I know working people and they save for example 200-400 a month sometimes, sometimes they barely save anything.
At Alcor site the cost for whole body preservation is quoted as 150,000$ ! how does a person save that?

[khakiman]

i would just get the head frozen, but im cheap. hopefully i live long enough to where i dont need to get my body frozen, i can just have my memories and dna on a digital backup in case i get hit by a train

Spoiler

or want an evil twin

Edited by khakiman, 26 February 2010 - 02:46 PM.

[forever freedom]

They pay it with their life insurances. Doesn't make their descendants very happy, though, as seen in this topic.

Edited by forever freedom, 26 February 2010 - 05:38 PM.

[Cyberbrain]

I am not working yet (bad bad bad!) but I know working people and they save for example 200-400 a month sometimes, sometimes they barely save anything.
At Alcor site the cost for whole body preservation is quoted as 150,000$ ! how does a person save that?

The Cryonics Institute is way cheaper. Whole body preservation with them is $28,000. But I don't know if they have professional enough facilities and staff like Alcor.

Even though (like you) I really want to sign up as soon as possible I can't because you would need a stable job in order to get life insurance (most recommended way to pay for cryonics).

Luckily we're still very young and have plenty of time to work this out.

[Luna]

I am not working yet (bad bad bad!) but I know working people and they save for example 200-400 a month sometimes, sometimes they barely save anything.
At Alcor site the cost for whole body preservation is quoted as 150,000$ ! how does a person save that?

The Cryonics Institute is way cheaper. Whole body preservation with them is $28,000. But I don't know if they have professional enough facilities and staff like Alcor.

Even though (like you) I really want to sign up as soon as possible I can't because you would need a stable job in order to get life insurance (most recommended way to pay for cryonics).

Luckily we're still very young and have plenty of time to work this out.

or hopefully avoid any form of death completely..!

[jolly]

Life insurance is generally the way most people go (including myself). Especially if you sign up when younger, costs are more affordable. I'd talk to Rudi Hoffman if you want a better idea about what your costs would be if you fund it through insurance.

[enoonsti]

The cheapest route is to simply sneak into a dewar.

[robomoon]

i would just get the head frozen, but im cheap. hopefully i live long enough to where i dont need to get my body frozen, i can just have my memories and dna on a digital backup in case i get hit by a train

Spoiler

or want an evil twin

What is the reason for waiting so long? It's not expensive to arrange the conservation of DNA in a portable archive, just in case the DNA cannot be retrieved after some kind of accident you mentioned. See the collection of reports about Cheap Suspension http://shintoist.com/cheapsus.htm referring to http://www.universalimmortalism.org and further resources. Transferral and digital storage of neuronal information from gray matter and related parts in somebody's brain hasn't been offered, but there are already solutions for the creation and storage of mindfiles.

Edited by robomoon, 27 February 2010 - 03:11 PM.

[Luna]

i would just get the head frozen, but im cheap. hopefully i live long enough to where i dont need to get my body frozen, i can just have my memories and dna on a digital backup in case i get hit by a train

Spoiler

or want an evil twin

What is the reason for waiting so long? It's not expensive to arrange the conservation of DNA in a portable archive, just in case the DNA cannot be retrieved after some kind of accident you mentioned. See the collection of reports about Cheap Suspension http://shintoist.com/cheapsus.htm referring to http://www.universalimmortalism.org and further resources.

how is having a clone going to save him? @@..

[RighteousReason]

I am not working yet (bad bad bad!) but I know working people and they save for example 200-400 a month sometimes, sometimes they barely save anything.
At Alcor site the cost for whole body preservation is quoted as 150,000$ ! how does a person save that?

It's actually quite cheap paying with life insurance. Membership fees of alcor costs 50 dollars a month, and life insurance is about 30 dollars a month for me. I highly recommend going with Rudi Hoffman, he will get you a good deal.

http://www.rudihoffman.com/

By the way having life insurance for cryonics does not preclude you from having additional life insurance for your family if something were to happen, you can do both!

Edited by RighteousReason, 27 February 2010 - 03:04 PM.

[Luna]

Is that just for US? what would someone from Israel or United Kingdom do?

[RighteousReason]

Is that just for US? what would someone from Israel or United Kingdom do?

Move to the US

[robomoon]

i would just get the head frozen, but im cheap. hopefully i live long enough to where i dont need to get my body frozen, i can just have my memories and dna on a digital backup in case i get hit by a train

Spoiler

or want an evil twin

What is the reason for waiting so long? It's not expensive to arrange the conservation of DNA in a portable archive, just in case the DNA cannot be retrieved after some kind of accident you mentioned. See the collection of reports about Cheap Suspension http://shintoist.com/cheapsus.htm referring to http://www.universalimmortalism.org and further resources.

how is having a clone going to save him? @@..

The word clone describes what you know about the procedure: close to nothing. No matter, try to get a job and stick to cryonics, with so much knowledge about other things but genetics in your mind, it's worth to save your brain.

[Luna]

i would just get the head frozen, but im cheap. hopefully i live long enough to where i dont need to get my body frozen, i can just have my memories and dna on a digital backup in case i get hit by a train

Spoiler

or want an evil twin

What is the reason for waiting so long? It's not expensive to arrange the conservation of DNA in a portable archive, just in case the DNA cannot be retrieved after some kind of accident you mentioned. See the collection of reports about Cheap Suspension http://shintoist.com/cheapsus.htm referring to http://www.universalimmortalism.org and further resources.

how is having a clone going to save him? @@..

The word clone describes what you know about the procedure: close to nothing. No matter, try to get a job and stick to cryonics, with so much knowledge about other things but genetics in your mind, it's worth to save your brain.

O_o well, let's start making copies of you! O_o See if you still think the same of it when they are walking around and talking to you.. stop being so arrogant.

Edited by Luna, 27 February 2010 - 03:40 PM.

[robomoon]

i would just get the head frozen, but im cheap. hopefully i live long enough to where i dont need to get my body frozen, i can just have my memories and dna on a digital backup in case i get hit by a train

Spoiler

or want an evil twin

What is the reason for waiting so long? It's not expensive to arrange the conservation of DNA in a portable archive, just in case the DNA cannot be retrieved after some kind of accident you mentioned. See the collection of reports about Cheap Suspension http://shintoist.com/cheapsus.htm referring to http://www.universalimmortalism.org and further resources.

how is having a clone going to save him? @@..

The word clone describes what you know about the procedure: close to nothing. No matter, try to get a job and stick to cryonics, with so much knowledge about other things but genetics in your mind, it's worth to save your brain.

O_o well, let's start making copies of you! O_o See if you still think the same of it when they are walking around and talking to you.. stop being so arrogant.

Now it's worth to save your whole body and your brain.

Spoiler

$28000 or $150000

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Edited by robomoon, 27 February 2010 - 04:12 PM.

[Mixter]

Is that just for US? what would someone from Israel or United Kingdom do?

Join http://www.cryonics-uk.com or http://www.cryonics-europe.org, or a similar institution in your country and contribute any skills if you can. These local organizations actively provide help with setting up contracts and financing via life insurances, emergency shipping provisions to US facilities...

[Luna]

Is that just for US? what would someone from Israel or United Kingdom do?

Join http://www.cryonics-uk.com or http://www.cryonics-europe.org, or a similar institution in your country and contribute any skills if you can. These local organizations actively provide help with setting up contracts and financing via life insurances, emergency shipping provisions to US facilities...

Thanks but I am in Israel and for now I never found one in Israel or anyone I asked said there isn't..

[David Styles]

I am not working yet (bad bad bad!) but I know working people and they save for example 200-400 a month sometimes, sometimes they barely save anything.
At Alcor site the cost for whole body preservation is quoted as 150,000$ ! how does a person save that?

If you're going for cheapness, CI whole body is a lot cheaper than Alcor neuro.

KrioRus neuro is cheaper even than that, though if you live far away transport and associated costs may bump it up somewhat.

[David Styles]

They pay it with their life insurances. Doesn't make their descendants very happy, though, as seen in this topic.

So if you wish to preserve yourself from relatives who may value money more highly than your life, then set up alternate life insurance to give them money, such that they may be less tempted to interfere with your suspension in the hopes of getting that money.

Also, the insurance policy that you use to fund cryonics, make it explicit that the entire sum assured should go to the cryonics provider, no matter what happens (ie, even if you should be blown to bits in an aeroplane crash, they get the money). Otherwise, if you make choices on the "Non-Suspension Rider" such that if you're not suspended the money goes to your relatives instead of the cryonics organisation, you are suddenly incentivising your relatives interfering with your suspension.

You may not think that your relatives will value money more highly than your life, but it is clear from past experience that one of the biggest hurdles cryonics faces is not technology, but greedy relatives.

I am quite assured that my next of kin will not try these tactics, as she is also a cryonicist, but I take the above steps regardless, and counsel all others (including her!) to do likewise, as it is the most rational option.

It just makes good sense.

[David Styles]

Life insurance is generally the way most people go (including myself). Especially if you sign up when younger, costs are more affordable. I'd talk to Rudi Hoffman if you want a better idea about what your costs would be if you fund it through insurance.

Right.

I pay £6/month for a £100,000 sum assured policy, on a 40 year term.

This obviously overfunds my $28,000 fee with CI by a huge amount.

[David Styles]

Is that just for US? what would someone from Israel or United Kingdom do?

Someone from the United Kingdom would do well to talk to me (as I have fairly extensive experience in signing up new British cryonicists, sorting them out with what they need, etc).

As for Israel... I can see what I can do, but don't know the system inside out like I do in the UK.

Are you aware of other cryonicists in Israel?

Edited by David Styles, 17 March 2010 - 07:40 PM.

[full_circle]

have you ppl ever considered that you might wake up in a lab with your head in a glass bottle, surrounded by curious scientists to whom you are nothing but a study material?

[b0gger]

have you ppl ever considered that you might wake up in a lab with your head in a glass bottle, surrounded by curious scientists to whom you are nothing but a study material?

If it comes to that, that's a risk I'm willing to take

[David Styles]

have you ppl ever considered that you might wake up in a lab with your head in a glass bottle, surrounded by curious scientists to whom you are nothing but a study material?

While unlikely, this eventuality is distinctly preferable to being burned to a crisp or left to rot, as most people choose.