<BJKlein> 45min til chat
<lightowl> cool
<Captain_Integral> yo
<Captain_Integral> if anyone wants to try out the definition bot its in #basic
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<kzzch> It'd be nice if there were a central bot repository where all the bots on the net could communicate with each other.
<kzzch> Seems like an aweful lot of wasteful redundancy for everyone to raise their own bot from scratch :/
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<Captain_Integral> my bot is a definition bot
<Captain_Integral> and i want it for testing if the net is down
<Captain_Integral> do you want to try it out
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<lightowl> how does is work ?
<Rotaerk_> I want his away message to say "I'm Eliezer Yudkowsky, bitch!"
<kzzch> Heh, what did the SingInst say to the FAI? Slap, BITCH!
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<Captain_Integral> come to #basic and play with my bot
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<BJKlein> welcome harold..
<BJKlein> thanks for excellent topics/polls/posts
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<BJKlein> hi chris, what South American country do you live?
<ChrisRovner> Hi Bruce. Argentina
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<ChrisRovner> Why, Bruce?
<BJKlein> ah, k.. you know Jose Cordeiro - Ven
<ChrisRovner> Yup
<BJKlein> k.. what about..
<BJKlein> Jose M Salgado? Project Life
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<ChrisRovner> No, I don't know him
<BJKlein>
http://www.projectlife.org/<BJKlein> keep in mind.. he is successful businessman from Venulz. now in CA
<ChrisRovner> Thanks, taking a look
<ChrisRovner> No website yet?
<ChrisRovner> Under construction
<BJKlein> na..
<BJKlein> i know him through David Kekich.. who is supporting the ImmInst Film
<BJKlein> Salgado may help with film also.. will see..
<BJKlein> Salgado's real job is dubbing films
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<BJKlein> topic: 2004 ImmInst Film Project
<ChrisRovner> This film thingy is quite impressive. Congratulations
<BJKlein>
http://www.imminst.org/film.php<BJKlein> hope to be as successful as our first book
http://www.imminst.org/book1 thanks
<Jonesey> if this is a porn film i'd like to apply for a role
<BJKlein> as a matter of fact...
<Jonesey> w00h00
<BJKlein> not the first one.. but..
<Jonesey> darn
<BJKlein> we actually need more ideas
<BJKlein> on what kind of film to push for.
<John_Ventureville> not enough content yet?
<BJKlein> content is great.. good line-up of folks..
<John_Ventureville> what is your "thesis statement?"
<Jonesey> i like alan alda's "scientific american frontiers" episode on immortality research
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<BJKlein> but need to think about theme
<kzzch> underground style documentary
<John_Ventureville> how about...
<BJKlein> perhaps, kzzch.. but really would like a verion for Discovery Channell
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<John_Ventureville> "pursuing immortality is actually a good thing!"
<kzzch> cut two versions
<Jonesey> like "blair witch" kzzch?
<kzzch> no, not that bad :/
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<kzzch> just an earnest depiction of peoples hopes for immortality without too much polish
<John_Ventureville> if you're going to do "Blair Witch style" come out to the lodge, I will chase you around the desert at night with the Great Dane hounds of Hell!
<John_Ventureville> lol
<BJKlein> thinking of title of film to be "Exploring Life Extension" = broad scope
<lightowl> A good start could be to put the viewer in a mindset where the horror of death is totally understood. Something like a fast forward though a human life.
<Bitster> Am I in the right place?
<Jose> Hi immortalists from around the world!
<John_Ventureville> howdy, Jose
<Jonesey> depends what ur looking for bitster
<Jonesey> hi jose
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<Bitster> the imminst film chat
<John_Ventureville> you got it!
<Bitster> starting in.. about 5 mins?
<BJKlein> yep, you're in the right place Bitster
<BJKlein> ops, is my clock fast?
<Bitster> it's abotu damn time , too
<lightowl> that chat is on time.
<John_Ventureville> BJ, what will the running time be for your film?
<Jonesey> mine says it's 8 mins past time
<John_Ventureville> I have 8 minutes past time
<Bitster> give or take
<BJKlein> for the Discover Channel version = 40 min for commericals
<John_Ventureville> wow!
<BJKlein> but longer version = only limited by DVD
<lightowl> Do we need multible versions ?
<ChrisRovner> Discover or Discovery?
<BJKlein> not sure.. but probably 3hrs or so..
<Jose> Even in Venezuela it is 8 minutes past the time:-)
<John_Ventureville> I see now, you are actually going to try COMMERCIALLY release this to the general public!
<John_Ventureville> Dang, I'm very impressed
<BJKlein> ah, well no contact with any distributions yet.. but Discovery is a target
<John_Ventureville> I see
<ChrisRovner> Nice
<John_Ventureville> still, a noble goal
<BJKlein> ya..
<BJKlein> 2 versions.. one commerical
<BJKlein> 1 long and lot of goodies for 'us'
<Bitster> which seems a separate oconsideration from how the film's content will be licensed
<John_Ventureville> what is your finish date for this?
<Jose> BJK, do you plan to give a preview in TransVision2004 in Toronto?
<John_Ventureville> *good idea*
<BJKlein> finish by Dec 20 - 2005
<Bitster> Creative Commons? p2p filesharing?
<BJKlein> sorry 2004
<John_Ventureville> ok
<lightowl> Maybe it would be a good idea to prioritize the different segments of the film, so it would be possible to cut down the length for different channals.
<enoosphere> Hello. The interviews are upcoming, correct? And everything edited to make the final piece?
<Jose> BJK, why don't you give a presentation in TransVision2004? Like the one that Lazarus Long gave last year. It was excellent!
<John_Ventureville> BJ, will there be a narrator?
<BJKlein> film locations = 1. Toronto Transvision 2. Alcor 3. Halperin 4. Anti-Aging Conference, Las Vegas Oct 2004..
<BJKlein> Narrator, thinking hired voice.. or i may try
<John_Ventureville> In a later edition you could include Ventureville
<John_Ventureville> if you do an update
<John_Ventureville> 4-5 years from now
<BJKlein> Jose, no time for presentation at TV.. as working on film..
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<BJKlein> Laz did do a great job, from what i hear though
<BJKlein> he will not be attending this year... has child at home, etc.
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<Bitster> What licensing is being considered for it? anybody?
<BJKlein> enoosphere, yes..
<BJKlein> filming over the next few months.. final version in Dec
<Jose> BJK, are you still meeting Bob Ettinger?
<BJKlein> no distribution plans, yet..
<BJKlein> yes, meeting Bob Aug 3 while traveling to Toronto..
<BJKlein> will snap digital pics and ask a few q's
<Jose> Where are you traveling from exactly? All the way from Alabama?
<BJKlein> would love to have him in film.. but i dont' have the equipment
<John_Ventureville> Bob will not be with us most likely that much longer
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<John_Ventureville> so I'm very glad you are doing that
<Bitster> might I recommend an official Bittorrent, should non-commercial licensing become an option
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<John_Ventureville> I wish FM 2030 were around to be interviewed, oh, well
<BJKlein> sure, Bitster
<BJKlein> FM may be included via Natasha stock footage
<John_Ventureville> very cool
<Jose> Bob Ettinger can probably give you some film material from previous interviews. That would be useful.
<BJKlein> ya, good idea Jose
<John_Ventureville> BJ, swim laps with Bob in his swimming pool!
<John_Ventureville> : )
<BJKlein> excellent.. i love to swim
<John_Ventureville> he's quite athletic considering his age
<John_Ventureville> and remember, he is a WWII war hero
<BJKlein> something like 85 or so?
<John_Ventureville> yes
<BJKlein> ya, i plan to read more on his life before meeting with him..
<BJKlein> he is my hero
<John_Ventureville> cool
<Jose> Lightowl, how is Denmark now? Many immortalists there?
<lightowl> Is there plans to include a spot for the MMP ?
<BJKlein> yes, Aubrey will be interviewed
<lightowl> Jose, it is a verry thin group.
<John_Ventureville> BJ, in my opinion you should try to inject as much humanity as you can into the film, to show immortalists are generally down to earth people who enjoy the little pleasures & struggles of life like anyone else.
<lightowl> I am working to extend it abit.
<Jose> BJK, I also read that you were contacting the Foundation for the Future. I know Sesh Velamoor.
<BJKlein> "Exploring Life Extension" is braod and will include biotech, transhuman, cryonics, and hopefully some AI
<John_Ventureville> that is why I suggested swimming with him
<BJKlein> ah, no reply from FF yet..
<BJKlein> i'll remember your connection Jose
<John_Ventureville> "Joe Six-Pack" will say, "hey, those immortalists are actually alright, even if a little odd"
<Jose> I am departing next week for the Millennium Project meetings in Washington, followed by the World Future Society and then TransVision in Toronto.
<BJKlein> ya, the Discovery version will be a soft sell...
<John_Ventureville> good
<Jose> BJK, I will meet Ray Kurzweil who is keynoting the WFS in Washington. He is also an immortalist:-)
<John_Ventureville> Jose, you lucky bastard!
<John_Ventureville> you sure get around
<BJKlein> Ray contributed to ImmInst's book..
<John_Ventureville> : )
<lightowl> Ray should have a spot in this film to.
<Jose> John, it is good to travel when things are difficult back home:-)
<BJKlein> ya.. he lives in Mass ? no?
<kzzch> Somehow, I don't think Joe Sixpack watches the discovery channel
<Jonesey> bob ettinger is a fun guy, fascinating to talk to
<lightowl> Maybe Ray will get a chance to promote his new book
<John_Ventureville> the WFS must be getting hip to things if Ray Kurzweil is going to be the keynote speaker
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<Bitster> wfs=?
<John_Ventureville> I always thought of the WFS as being "behind the times"
<Jose> BJK, BTW, Ray has no PhD. I think you wrote that by mistake in your book:-(
<John_Ventureville> World Future Society
<Bitster> thanks
<kzzch> If you want Joe Sixpack on board, Imminst needs to sponsor a car in NASCAR.
<Rotaerk> what's starglider's website url?
<BJKlein> he has Hon. Phd
<Bitster> lol
<John_Ventureville> kzzch, LOL
<John_Ventureville> very true
<BJKlein> ImmInst needs to create a culture of Life Extension
<enoosphere> In addition to financial, what sort of help do you still need with this film?
<BJKlein> need connections with distribution channels
<Jose> Kurzweil is finishign to books now: one on Immortality (Fantastic Voyage) and another on the Singularity.
<Rotaerk> no one knows
<John_Ventureville> BJ, what exactly do you mean by creating a culture of life extension?
<enoosphere> The softsell to Joe Sixpack is a good idea, but from experience, Joe Sixpack is hard to reach.
<John_Ventureville> I can't wait to buy "Fantastic Voyage"
<John_Ventureville> or Max More's upcoming book
<John_Ventureville> or the one the ImmInst is doing
<BJKlein> John, talking about making LE more main stream as a legitimate scientific goal..
<John_Ventureville> or Dr. Hughes latest effort
<lightowl> Will the ImmInst book be available on amazon ?
<BJKlein> which will push more funding,
<John_Ventureville> BJ, mainstreaming extreme life extension has always been a challange
<John_Ventureville> lol
<BJKlein> lightowl, yes.. and B&N, etc
<John_Ventureville> cool
<John_Ventureville> Amazon.com gets most of my paycheck
<John_Ventureville> *at least it feels like it*
<Jose> BJK, did my Venezuelan friend offer you some support. He can surely commit some money to a good project like yours:-)
<lightowl> heh, me 2
<Bitster> hm. is joe sixpack hard to reach because he's always opn the other end of some advertiser's pipe?
<BJKlein> Jose, yes.. he asked more questions about the film.. and looks to be receptive.
<Bitster> I'm wondering if I 'm oversimplifying, here
<kzzch> I say forget Joe Sixpack
<Bitster> but actual conten distribution is easy
<enoosphere> Because he gets that glassy-eyed look at the beginning of any such conversation.
<Bitster> ala: Internet
<BJKlein> we shall wait until Las Vegas in Oct to firm the support
<Bitster> it's promotion that's the trick
<kzzch> Joe Sixpack doesn't give a shit about the future, and never will.
<enoosphere> True, he is only worried about today.
<Jose> BJK, don't forget to bring to Toronto Halperin's book since I will become a full paying member there!
<BJKlein> tackling LE memetics - firm your base and work from there..
<Bitster> eventually, tomorrow becomes today
<lightowl> If 4 month enough to make a good film? I would think more time was needed.
<Bitster> education and motivation are imporatnat goals
<BJKlein> Jose, I have your packet ready!.. thanks
<Bitster> that's the point
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<BJKlein> welcome Natasha..
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<Jose> BJK, Jose Salgado is planning to launch his Project Life in Las Vegas. You can certainly talk to him there.
<BJKlein> Rudy Hoffman looks to join ImmInst as a Full Member at TV04 as well..
<Jose> Hi Natasha. Looking forward to seeing you again in Toronto:-)
<Natasha> He there - we are in the middle of an electrical storm so I may
<Natasha> get bumped off
<BJKlein> Yes, I plan with Jose Salgado and David Kekich to produce a short film version with only them to help promote their projects..
<BJKlein> DVD's as calling cards
<Bitster> heh
<Natasha> are we discussed film ideas?
<BJKlein> DVD = inexpensive to produce from what i understand
<BJKlein> yes, Natasha.. please feel free
<BJKlein> thinking of naming = Exploring Life Extension
<Natasha> check out EZTV for alternative to film = I produced there and
<Natasha> they made films inexpensively and the owner Michael is
<BJKlein> hope to get attention of Discovery Channel, etc
<Natasha> highly skilled
<BJKlein> k.. thanks
<lightowl> If the DVD format i chosen, i recommend makeing it region free. ( please )
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<Natasha> for any project = no matter how small, you have to think
<Natasha> film festival, otherwise it is a waste of time
<BJKlein> ah, k..
<lightowl> thks.
<Natasha> film festivals for indeependent films are a shoe in
<Natasha> talking heads is boring and there have been so many
<Natasha> documentaries on life extension
<Jose> Discovery has produced several great programs about cryonics:-)
<Natasha> how about anovel idea?
<BJKlein> Natasha, do you have footage of FM 2030, etc you are able to allow ImmInst to use for the film?
<Natasha> I've been in more than a dozen films on life extension and
<Natasha> I think there is a better wayh to do them for today's audience
<Natasha> forgive myh typos, I don't hae myh glasses on
<BJKlein> np
<Natasha> Yes i have a lot of footage of FM, I was viewing it yesterday
<Natasha> it was cvery sad -
<BJKlein> i would not like to violate any licenses
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<Jose> Natasha, how would you call the film?
<Jose> How a name like "Immortality: From Science Fiction to Science Reality?"
<Natasha> \Im thinking .. and talking to Max who is right beside me
<BJKlein> current idea "Exploring Life Extension" = more broad
<Natasha> I was saying that over the past 15 years I have been in so many tht
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<Natasha> they are boring by today's standard
<Natasha> I was alsso thinking about the film
<Jose> Hi Max, too!
<lightowl> Subtitle: when and how ?
<Natasha> Synthtic Pleasures and other feature releases
<Natasha> and how they are more creatie than the basid documentry
<Natasha> Gaming is really hot right now
<BJKlein> the background images are what will keep the film interesting.. i agree
<Jose> Lightowñ, I like your subtitle. I think it is greatWhen and How?
<lightowl> tnks:)
<Jonesey> u gonna mention the legislative battle in AZ bjk?
<Natasha> most of the documentaries are hyyped too much
<Natasha> how about a straight shooter - taking it seriously for a change
<BJKlein> when we travel to Alcor I will contact Nancy Lopez.. who helped Alcor with legislative battle
<BJKlein> Lopez = AZ Rep
<Jonesey> great golfer
<lightowl> I think it is important to be realistic, and not to futuristic. To much POP is baad for docs.
<Natasha> has anyone been watching Plastic Surgery 90210 on TV
<Jose> Natasha, straight shooter like what? "Do you want to live forever?"
<Natasha> No, forever is too long and more like a Satre play "No Exit" how
<lightowl> Discovery Europe/Nordic is failing to be serious in their choises of docs.
<BJKlein> Natasha, straight shooting in that you mean... why live forever?
<Bitster> perpetual life, not eternal
<BJKlein> heh, Jose has same question
<lightowl> Have anyone seen the doc explorations lately. It really ruins some great topics with nasty background music and split screen filming.
<Bitster> "amortality" rather than "immortality"
<BJKlein> Natasha, how close are you guys to Jim Halperin in TX..
<Natasha> The facts are written and published that we are going to live longer
<Bitster> dying when you want, rather than when you must
<Natasha> how do we prepare? What are the obstacles, how do we over
<BJKlein> I may be making a trip to Dallas in Oct 2-3
<Natasha> come them... Is there really over population and envirnmental damage
<Natasha> how will this be resolved
<Natasha> key people giving short summaries of the facts is whaqt
<BJKlein> some who may be included in the film:
<BJKlein> Nick Bostom, Jose Cordeiro, James Hughes, Max More, Mike Treder,
<BJKlein> Natasha Vita-More, Aubrey de Grey, Peter Passaro
<Natasha> people what to hear
<BJKlein> Nick Bostom, Jose Cordeiro, James Hughes, Max More, Mike Treder,
<BJKlein> Natasha Vita-More, Aubrey de Grey, Peter Passaro
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<Bitster> how will Joe 6pack be able to afford to retire?
<BJKlein> Joe Waynick, Alcor CEO, Tanya Jones, Alcor COO
<BJKlein> Jim Halperin - David Kekich
<Natasha> I didn't know Nick bostro is a life extensionist. We need those who are
<Bitster> or to actually afford the treatments?
<Natasha> really supportive of it
<Nanogirl> good evening
<lightowl> Ray kurzweil ?
<BJKlein> Nick is .. in ImmInst book also
<BJKlein> Ray may be geographically to far
<John_Ventureville> BJ, I think you have found *THE* expert consultant in Natasha
<John_Ventureville> Hello, Gina
<BJKlein> only have $ for 4 locations
<lightowl> damn.
<Nanogirl> Hi John
<BJKlein> but, all names are tentative
<BJKlein> will depend on final theme and quality, etc
<Nanogirl> am i in BJ?
<lightowl> I offer $500 if that will help on fifth location.
<BJKlein> heh, would love to film you, Gina
<Nanogirl> I thought you were talking about the book
<enoosphere> Could you video conference with those you cannot reach because of limited transportation funds and film the interview that way? Might look interesting on film.
<Natasha> Idea: I would cover 5 key issues and show varied sides of the
<BJKlein> ah, sorry talking about film
<Nanogirl> : )
<Natasha> issues. This would be a highly extropic way to deal with
<Nanogirl> I didn't know about the film?
<Natasha> informaation and give the project timely significaqnce
<Jose> BJK, Kurzweil can probably send you some pre-recorded footage. The same with Marvin Minsky. It would give you lots of credibility:-)
<BJKlein>
http://www.imminst.org/film.php<Nanogirl> thank you
<BJKlein> good idea, Jose.. thanks
<Natasha> We have Marvin on video from Extro conferences
<Natasha> Ray is on the radio this evening by the way
<lightowl> net-streamed ?
<Bitster> in an open format? /cynic
<BJKlein> Natasha, key issues maybe = biotech, nanotech, cryonics, transhumanism, and AI
<Natasha> No, but is with Assimov's daughter on Robits
<Natasha> Yes.l I was talking to Ray yesterday about Hollywood films and sc
<lightowl> damn, I doubt its available in EU.
<Natasha> ience fiction and the problem with scripts. Central hero or central
<BJKlein> Ray audio link:
http://www.imminst.o...ST&f=111&t=4022<Natasha> "human" character is not transhumanist in philosophy
<Jose> Natasha, were you also on radio today?
<John_Ventureville> almost a luddite
<Bitster> drama is always "man vs. (something)"
<Natasha> transhumanism as a philosophy is the wave of the future to
<Natasha> deal with world problems and to develop positive solutions
<Natasha> this is the selling point of hte film project on life extension
<John_Ventureville> tying all these threads together may be a challenge
<Jose> BJK, include robotics
<BJKlein> John = Exploring Life Extension
<Natasha> If there are 5 issues the film addresses, they can be woven
<BJKlein> LE ties all in, perhaps
<Natasha> together nicely through editing
<John_Ventureville> Natasha, I see
<Natasha> Hey, I gotta go, love to you all
<BJKlein> Natasha, you suggest voice over.. hired voice?
<kzzch> patrick stewart
<BJKlein> thanks Natasha, very helpful!
<John_Ventureville> goodnight!
<kzzch> he does a lot of voice acting
<Natasha> a dignified maale and female - gender balanced :-)
<John_Ventureville> Bruce and Susan could do that...
<John_Ventureville> : )
<Bitster> I think you can find wnough skilled lecturers around to do a voice over without shellingout for celebrity
<Natasha> bye bye xxxx
<BJKlein> heh.. southern voices
<John_Ventureville> "y'all want to live forever and you can wit' nano-tek!"
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<John_Ventureville> *I can see it*
<Bitster> lol
<Bitster> sportscaster
<Bitster> s
<Bitster> hehe
<lightowl> Do we have enough moneys for this project ?
<John_Ventureville> having a narrator with academic cred may be a good idea
<BJKlein> 5k for travel thus far..
<enoosphere> BJK, is the film meant to convey LE ideas to a general audience (even sell it to them softly) or does it take LE as a certainty and discusses what comes next?
<BJKlein> 5k after finish for distribution..
<BJKlein> there is another 10 wildcard
<lightowl> Should I write you private for contribution ?
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<BJKlein> enoosphere, not sure.. but i feel take LE as certainty.. and then build around this certainty tech fact.. and working scientists, etc
<enoosphere> I can see validity in Natasha's approach to the film, but doing so might take a certain leap from an audience that might not know very much about the subject.
<John_Ventureville> BJ, had this film been a year or two down the road the Venturists might have been able to help
<John_Ventureville> but we are still trying to get off the ground with our business enterprise
<BJKlein> thanks, John.. we plan more films.. down the road
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<John_Ventureville> cool
<BJKlein> help by sending PI mag's is great
<John_Ventureville> that we can do
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<BJKlein> will have some for friends at TV04
<John_Ventureville> great
<John_Ventureville> I am sitting on over a thousand "extra" copies
<Bitster> Pi=?
<John_Ventureville> we are still negotiating with Alcor to try to get them to send a sample copy to everyone on their lists
<John_Ventureville> Physical Immortality magazine
<Bitster> nice
<John_Ventureville> CI had no problem
<John_Ventureville> but Alcor is giving us stiff resistance it seems!
<John_Ventureville> lol
<Bitster> is there a link to more info?
<BJKlein> 200 per qtr to advertise. not bad
<John_Ventureville> nope
<Jose> John, it will be great to distribute your magazines in Toronto:-)
<John_Ventureville> not at all
<John_Ventureville> would you do that for us?
<John_Ventureville> : )
<BJKlein> down the road
<BJKlein>
http://www.venturist.org/pi.htm<John_Ventureville> Oh...........
<Bitster> thank
<Bitster> s
<BJKlein> sure
<John_Ventureville> ok!
<John_Ventureville> ; )
<John_Ventureville> I guess you need to get your cred established there before you start doing favors like that for the Venturists
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<BJKlein> ya, that long and windy road
<John_Ventureville> is that your reason?
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<BJKlein> more akin to investment return..
<John_Ventureville> ?
<BJKlein> can we gain 4 new members per qtr
<BJKlein> ImmInst Full Membes Employed
<BJKlein> = 50 per year
<Jose> BJK, who else from ImmInst will be in Toronto?
<John_Ventureville> I see
<BJKlein> Michael Anissimov - ImmInst Co-Founder
<BJKlein> Kip Werking..
<BJKlein> i think Kevin Perrott - ImmInst Director
<BJKlein> Peter Passaro - ImmInst Advisor
<Jose> Great to see all those immortalists around:-)
<BJKlein> shall be fun conversation
<Jose> BJK, now that you are planing to fly to Toronto and Texas, have you lost your fear to fly?
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<BJKlein> Max More and Natasha Vita-More = ImmInst Full Members
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<John_Ventureville> BJ is flying???
<BJKlein> rental car
<John_Ventureville> ok!
<lightowl> heh
<BJKlein> cheeper than flying, believe it or not
<Jose> BJK, why not your own car?
<BJKlein> and i like to see the country
<BJKlein> don't want to put miles on it
<lightowl> I would take the bike
<BJKlein> and better gas milage than my blazer
<Jose> I think that driving is more dangerous than flying:-(
<BJKlein> thought about motor bike, but danger for immortalist
<epimetheus> so how do you get to europe?
<enoosphere> Do you not fly becuase of danger for immortalist?
<BJKlein> boat
<BJKlein> but never been yet
<epimetheus> very relaxing
<BJKlein> enoosphere, yes.. fly crash = not much for alcor
<Jose> Dear friends, I have to go:-(
<Bitster> train ride?
<enoosphere> Never thought of it that way....
<BJKlein> thanks jose, take care on your trips
<Jose> Great to talk to you this time:-)
<lightowl> What is your feelings on pirating the film for a wider aufience ?
<John_Ventureville> Jose, take care
<lightowl> audience ?
<BJKlein> lightowl, wish for the film to have widest aud. possible
<Bitster> lol
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<John_Ventureville> will the documentary be available on Mobius?
<BJKlein> internet distribution is good in my mind
<John_Ventureville> : o
<Bitster> "pirating" is only possible if the films has closed license
<epimetheus> yep, just torrent it
<BJKlein> imminst does not with to make much money.. just gain eyeballs on the first film
<Bitster> I'd love to seed it, permanently
<lightowl> well, unsolicited distribution
<BJKlein> with=wish
<epimetheus> you'll make the money from the PR
* BJKlein nods
<lightowl> The I think we should make a DVD iso available for download.
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<BJKlein> welcome nex
<BJKlein>
http://www.transhuma...resenters.shtml<BJKlein> link to potential film participants
<epimetheus> is there a script yet?
<Bitster> wouldn't cd size be a little easier to choke down?
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<BJKlein> no script.. epimetheus.. but thinking about that now.. theme..
<BJKlein> and who will be in it.. etc..
<epimetheus> where are you at with the theme?
<lightowl> Bitster, yep, but quality is nice. Both would be recommended.
<BJKlein> 5 key ideas =
<BJKlein> nanotech, biotech, AI, cryonics, transhumanism
<BJKlein> all = Life Extension
<Bitster> I guess I always fall into the low quality end of the debate
<BJKlein> title (maybe) = Exploring Life Extension
<lightowl> Also, I have a fealing bandwith will multiply in the future.
<Bitster> especially since this isn't exaclty an eyecandy sfx extravaganza
<Bitster> heh
<Bitster> certainly
<Bitster> Verizon's strting fiber to the home
<BJKlein> epimetheus, please see:
http://www.imminst.org/film.php<Bitster> wireless is going nuts
<lightowl> It would be great to have a dusin copies to deal out when meeting people on the subject.
<BJKlein> yes.. DVD is inexpensive way
<Bitster> but, overall, It doesn't appear that connectivity is following exponential growth rates
<epimetheus> lot to cover.. thought of breaking it up?
<BJKlein> perhaps
<enoosphere> Film structure suggestion: Where are we right now, what is in the labs, and extrapolation
<BJKlein> ya.. status quo on LE tech
<Bitster>
http://www.creativecommons.org/<epimetheus> a gentler introduction for a wider awdience appeal
<BJKlein> wide audience is target for Discovery version
<BJKlein> another version longer for us types - immortalist
<lightowl> Does anyone have a SETI radio breadcast frequesy in EU ?
<epimetheus> biotech is a good bridge because its connected with traditional science
<BJKlein> biotech = Aubry de Grey
<BJKlein> MM prize
<epimetheus> maybe you can get aubrey to be the narrator
<BJKlein> hmm. perhaps
<BJKlein> english accent
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<BJKlein> Thomas! welcome
<BJKlein> brb
<epimetheus> hey chubtoad
<Chubtoad> hey
<Chubtoad> chat over 1 hr ago?
<lightowl> Have we discussed the things that will be possible with immortality, like intersolar spacetravel
<lightowl> Should that have a segment in the film?
<epimetheus> actually a female narrator would be cool too
<lightowl> I am pro female marrator
<lightowl> narrator
<Chubtoad> where will you find the narrator?
<John_Ventureville> Bruce, do you have a good speaking voice?
<John_Ventureville> to save on money you should probably be the narrator
<enoosphere> That might be too much for the focus of the film.
<John_Ventureville> BJ, you have the mien of an actor/narrator
<enoosphere> Or maybe a quick summary at the end about the exciting possibilities ahead?
<epimetheus> yeah,,, like the moore thing
<epimetheus> plenty of material if you focus on sens, aubrey, mmp - good introduction
<epimetheus> (for the dicocovery thing)
<epimetheus> discovery
<enoosphere> Going too far into the future might alienate some viewers. I think it would be more interesting to hear what these researchers are currently working on, to get a better sense of where we are now. Otherwise, some might dismiss it outright as SF.
<epimetheus> correct enoo
<lightowl> agreed, but we must also show why we want to go there.
<epimetheus> enancing and extending quality of life for the increasingly populous geriatric community is a legitimate reason
<enoosphere> That is true, but for the lay audience, just getting over the idea of life extension may be enough, let alone immortalists traveling the stars.
<lightowl> I want to travel the universe. Thats just not possible at my current state.'
<lightowl>
<enoosphere> I think that "quality of life" will be more important to more people.
<epimetheus> the objective has to be getitng some legitimacy traction
<lightowl> yes, healthy life extension
<enoosphere> Though one of the main reasons I want to live forever is to travel the universe too
<Bitster> space travel is a very accessible topic for the average person
<Rotaerk> I wanna create a universe
<Bitster> moreso than robotics or cryonics
<Bitster> or nano, ai...
<lightowl> Rotaerk, me 2
<enoosphere> I'm not so sure that it is. The average person in my life hardly gives robotic space travel a second thought (Cassini, for example).
<epimetheus> space travel yes, livining for ever no (science fiction for general population)
<enoosphere> Let alone human space travel. Get too far into that glorious future and you lose too much of your audience, unless you are selling it as fantasy.
<epimetheus> the aging community is a very important issue at the moment including research on aging disorders
<epimetheus> great opportunity for imminst to break into
<lightowl> I think it will be hard to address all the issues of aging and immortality in this one movie.
<lightowl> film
<enoosphere> Put Life extension into persepective with those who have elderly relatives in nursing homes, loved ones with cancer, the ills and pains of aging, etc., then you have captured the audience.
<Chubtoad> I think we need to avoid the word antiaging at all costs. I saw some ad for a show on antiaging madicine and it turned out to be about botox injections.
<epimetheus> better to hear inteviews from 70+ people saying the would like to live longert than young kinds talking about space (respectfully)
<BJKlein> fighting for life = (against involuntary death) theme
<BJKlein> agree with chub.. be positive - life extension (not anti-aging)
<epimetheus> and stay away from "faces of death" type of material
<BJKlein> although there are many scientist who push and use the term
<John_Ventureville> Faces of Death!!!!!!
<John_Ventureville> yeouch!
<Chubtoad> scare people into life extension?
<BJKlein> heh, love faces of death.. but the imminst film will lean toward more professionalism
<BJKlein> dr kevorkian style
<BJKlein> muhaha
<epimetheus> we can re-educate through the film if we makethe disticntion about bulshit cures versus real biotech research
<epimetheus> show very accomplished professionals in their 80's giving their opinion
<enoosphere> The Kronos Institute use to advertise anti-aging technology, but now advertise with "longer, healthier life for you, your children, and your grandchildren."
<BJKlein> not sure on voice for film.. i may try a sample of myself.. and let Natty Coleman (filmmaker) decide
<enoosphere> Didn't want to appear too fringe, according to the book "Biorapture".
<BJKlein> would love to have good female voice though
<epimetheus> lots of arts/law undergrds who would do it for free
<Bitster> haha faces of death
<epimetheus> just chose an nice neutral accent
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<BJKlein> welcome back, david
<lightowl> young people are possobly the easiest audience to convince through this kind of media.
<lightowl> or any media ( except newspapers )
<epimetheus> precisely why we need to get traction/credibility with oldre audiences - they are the ones that need it
<lightowl> I find it verry hard to convince elderly people. I doubt they would even view this kind of doc.
<epimetheus> need to speak in their language
<epimetheus> they are looking for hope too
<enoosphere> Who is the audience again?
<BJKlein> two segments = two versions
<BJKlein> Discovery version = wide..
<lightowl> I am wondering about the same thing. Has it been desided.
<enoosphere> Discovery and us.
<BJKlein> ya
<epimetheus> focus on discovery - we know about ourselves
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<BJKlein> Discover = 40 min to allow for commercials
<lightowl> Discovery does not target elderly, are they ?
<BJKlein> na.. Dis = science type general
<epimetheus> it can be syndicated
<BJKlein> hope so
<BJKlein> not sure how that woks
<Bitster> heh
<BJKlein> works
<enoosphere> But they have an older audience, don't they? Not the younger demographics.
<BJKlein> hm. not sure
<epimetheus> depends who is your agent
<Bitster> I can't count the number of times ppl have said "I watch TV, but only Discovery
<enoosphere> That's true, but then have you asked them exactly what they watch?
<Th3Hegem0n> ...wtf Jimmy Neutron man..!
<lightowl> Well, what group of people do we want to be our audience ?
<enoosphere> That show with the motorcycle guy and his kids.
<Bitster> lol
<epimetheus> you need to get some feedback from non-imminst members
<BJKlein> perhaps
<Th3Hegem0n> aka the ignorant
<epimetheus> indeed
<enoosphere> lol
<Th3Hegem0n> hahaha
<epimetheus> but its our obligation to educate
<Th3Hegem0n> absolutely
<Th3Hegem0n> and increase their brain capacity to tolerable levels
<BJKlein> we must educate or die
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<BJKlein> immortalist depend on a network of support
<enoosphere> Yes it is, but to also be aware of our audience. So that they will in fact be educated.
<Bitster> or at least, take our place in the welfare lines
<BJKlein> building support by multi-media is using leverage
<Th3Hegem0n> dude i'll give you some money
<Th3Hegem0n> i got 10 bucks in my car
<epimetheus> what about starting with close family members who also happen to be 60+ what is their feedback?
<BJKlein> hmm.. most are religious
<lightowl> The way I see it, it is the young and the middle aged people who have the power to make a difference.
<epimetheus> what are the important issues for them?
<Th3Hegem0n> my grandma is extremely religious
<epimetheus> then work down to 50+ , 40+ etc
<Th3Hegem0n> she had a discussion in which her funeral was involved and she was laughing about it
<BJKlein> it's their immortality = heaven
<BJKlein> our immortality = heaven on earth
<Th3Hegem0n> let em have it
<enoosphere> So do we not want to target them?
<epimetheus> not necessarlily - they have become cyncal
<Th3Hegem0n> you need to target jackass teenagers like myself
<epimetheus> you can capture their imagination
<BJKlein> not for the first film, don't think efficient
<BJKlein> or overall effective in helping ImmInst at this stage..
<enoosphere> But then again, the elderly are one of the fastest growing segments of Internet Users.
<BJKlein> the last to support us will be religious
<enoosphere> Maybe they are not as cynical as we think.
<Th3Hegem0n> we suburban teenagers are loaded with cash
<Bitster> as far as "growing segments" go
<BJKlein> the first to support ImmInst = transhumanist, middle and younger aged scientists
<enoosphere> Ok, I see your point.
<BJKlein> build from support and then out..
<epimetheus> then you can look at the aging brain in 40+ yo - panick the baby boomers
<BJKlein> ya
<BJKlein> good
<BJKlein> brain cells dying..
<BJKlein> stem cell help = biotech
<BJKlein> eventual = nanotech
<BJKlein> eventual = AI
<lightowl> Meybe we should target very young, children even, through school or something.
<BJKlein> screw up = cryonics
<John_Ventureville> lol
<enoosphere> lol
<BJKlein> success = transhuman
<John_Ventureville> Da-Dah!!!
<enoosphere> Wow, I feel like applauding.
<epimetheus> don't forget simple ways of implementing gene regulation in biotech - stuff that's possible now
<lightowl> children have a hand in the parrents pockets.
<John_Ventureville> BJ, if you can, please include Anders Sandberg
<John_Ventureville> a fine gentleman and so damn bright
<BJKlein> circle unbroken = life extension )immortality)
<BJKlein> will hope to film Anders
<BJKlein> at TV04
<John_Ventureville> nice
<epimetheus> what child do you know that cares about immortality or aging?
<BJKlein> eh, Highlander
<BJKlein> Buffy
<Th3Hegem0n> i'm 17 is that young enough
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<BJKlein> boarderline
<epimetheus> exactly - you represent the exception - not the rule
<Th3Hegem0n> ...oh
<epimetheus> think of the audience
<lightowl> Exactly my target group. If we could get all teenagers to see, it would be great.
<Captain_Integral> you havent yet had that desire feeling that you will probably die
<Th3Hegem0n> hell yeah
<John_Ventureville> the college years seem to bring an interest in our ideas
<Th3Hegem0n> cause teenagers are retarded as shit and we think of crazy ass shit like this
<John_Ventureville> late teens/ early to mid twenties
<Th3Hegem0n> i have like 6 friends and we have our own group
<Captain_Integral> only the LSD smoking ones
<Th3Hegem0n> no dood marijuana
<John_Ventureville> the frontal lobe of the teenager just hasn't fully developed yet
<epimetheus> heeh
<John_Ventureville> : )
<Bitster> lsd smoking?
<Th3Hegem0n> haha
<BJKlein> Th3Hegem0n, do you talk about what happens (or not) after death?
<enoosphere> Like BJK said, will it be the teenagers who support first or will it be those who are already adopting a transhumanist philosophy?
<BJKlein> with your group?
<Th3Hegem0n> all the time
<BJKlein> no kidding..
<Th3Hegem0n> serious talking
<BJKlein> shit, that's shweet
<Th3Hegem0n> i explained the singularity and all of it's implications to like 12 friends
<Th3Hegem0n> and they were like oh my god your so smart
<lightowl> I find it much easier to convince young people. Thats just my position.
<epimetheus> if you are looking at serious dollars you will have to think on targetting a greater audience
<BJKlein> that's nice stuff.. singlarity already..
<epimetheus> build credibility and traction
<epimetheus> else it fall in the category of all the other fringe stuff
<BJKlein> agree
<Th3Hegem0n> hey smart teenagers grow up to make a lot of money
<epimetheus> facts of life gentlemen
<BJKlein> but the young shall grow up (no matter our work to the contrary)
<enoosphere> But we need the money now, not when the smart teenagers grow up. (though we will need it then too).
<Th3Hegem0n> lol
<Th3Hegem0n> you can target more then one audience
<epimetheus> yeah ok heg, talk to me after you've made your first mil
<BJKlein> Th3Hegem0n, has like 10 in the car?
<Th3Hegem0n> i will trust me
<BJKlein> no?
<John_Ventureville> *don't trust anyone over 30!*
<Th3Hegem0n> dude petsmart ain't making me a million
<enoosphere> lol
<BJKlein> heh, Petsmart!
<epimetheus> im sure you will - if you are detemined enough - by then you will understand the concept of speaking in other peoples language and building rapport
<John_Ventureville> BJ, what about discussing pet life extension?
<BJKlein> i'd like 10 goldfish, please.
<John_Ventureville> people get so attached to their pets nowadays
* BJKlein has 2 golden retrievers
<epimetheus> just get a pet rock
<John_Ventureville> you're an example, then
<lightowl> We are working on the mice already
<Bitster> I was smart once, too. Now, here I am selling christmas trees
<enoosphere> Keeping that pet around just a little longer...Life Extension Technology.
<BJKlein> suspects that freezing pets is a good nich market
<John_Ventureville> *pet rocks live a long time*
<Th3Hegem0n> yeah it will
<Th3Hegem0n> petsmart shoppers are insane
<epimetheus> we think we are working on mice
<John_Ventureville> freezing pets is not as good as pet anti-aging medicine!
<John_Ventureville> now that would sell!!
<epimetheus> we are working on journal citations
<Th3Hegem0n> dude i got a mouse, i'm going to make him live long
<John_Ventureville> you can do it with calorie restriction
<enoosphere> How about a documentary on Immortalists and their pets?
<Th3Hegem0n> i am it will be cool
<John_Ventureville> but he might not appreciate it
<Bitster> how long is the warranty on an aibo?
<epimetheus> my pomeranian is very intersted
<BJKlein> hmm.. how about we keep it to just their pets?
<John_Ventureville> my employer's pom can hold off Great Danes and German Shepards
<Th3Hegem0n> feed your dog science diet and it will live 25 years long
<epimetheus> kept a sample of my burmese's blood when he died in the ln
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<BJKlein> RJB, do you have pets?
<John_Ventureville> I want to freeze all the pets here at the lodge, so they can be uplifted down the road and all become management trainees
<BJKlein> also.. have many q's for you if ready re: ImmInst Film
<BJKlein> to RJB
<RJB> No, I'm not a petish person in general and could never keep them during the times I traveled alot
<John_Ventureville> "Ma'am, please be patient with the new manager, he used to be a housepet!'
<Th3Hegem0n> ..lol
<BJKlein> RJB, do you like possible film title "Exploring Life Extension"
<RJB> Getting a dewar for a horse is going to be tough...
<BJKlein> heh
<John_Ventureville> *just freeze the brain*
<John_Ventureville> "nyaaaaahhhh, whinnnnnneeey, I want full-body only!" says Mr. Ed
<Th3Hegem0n> .......
<Bitster> lol
<RJB> BJ, its fine. Doesn't raise the "immortality" red flag. I think you buy a lot by not raising the red flag of "religioius destiny". As long as you can invoke the idea that the hazard function will get you sooner or later you don't trample on too many toes.
<John_Ventureville> Alcor charges him $1,000,000
<BJKlein> do you like possible 5 film key themes: biotech, nanotech, cryo, ai & transhumanism
<BJKlein> or rather 5 themes running in the one film..
<John_Ventureville> transhumanism could turn off the kind of people RJB is referring to
<RJB> AI probbably isn't necessary for, and may even be a threat to life extension.
<BJKlein> possible target Discovery Chan. etc 40 min for commericals
<Th3Hegem0n> dude that would be a kick ass movie
<BJKlein> ya... AI is questionable.. depending on segment film captured from interviews
<BJKlein> and how it may relate
<John_Ventureville> but AI just might be the key to indefinite lifespan
<RJB> perhaps rather than transhumans -- evolution of humanity -- doesn't get you into "exclusive club land" where people don't know all the acronyms.
<BJKlein> ya
<BJKlein> cyborg = better
<John_Ventureville> even just mentioning evolution can turn off some people
<BJKlein> fuck those people
<BJKlein> (sorry)
<RJB> J, why? If we needed AI we wouldn't be able to lay out 50 million transistors for a microprocessor at this point in time.
<BJKlein> scratch that
<John_Ventureville> BJ, remember to say that in your film
<John_Ventureville> ; )
<Th3Hegem0n> haha
* BJKlein remembers
<enoosphere> I'm applauding again.
<Th3Hegem0n> dude that's weird that you break out into applause at your computer
<John_Ventureville> that will get you tons of publicity (but not the kind you like)
<Bitster> lol
<BJKlein> RJB, please see:
http://www.imminst.org/film.php when you have a chance
<RJB> Is there a term for evolution that doesn't get you into the swamp -- imrpovement? betterment? How about achieving humanity's potential?
<enoosphere> Yep, probably
<John_Ventureville> "upward sweep"
<Bitster> natural selection
<Bitster> recursive self improvement
<John_Ventureville> "mojo enhancement"
<Th3Hegem0n> hehehe
<John_Ventureville> lol
<enoosphere> Designerless Design
<Th3Hegem0n> differential reproductive success
<Rotaerk> ns is a component of the evolutionary process
<John_Ventureville> true
<Bitster> but the alarm bells tend not to go off
<BJKlein> what is the % of Discovery Channel viewers who are Creationists?
<Bitster> ppl turned off by "evolution" aren't going to be won over anyway
<BJKlein> 20 - 30% ?
<John_Ventureville> BJ, hardcore creationists?
<John_Ventureville> probably not many
<RJB> Well, that is one thing that will be different -- we will not have "natural selection" we will have directed "evolution" (enhancement)... There was an article in SA recently about the problem of athletes gene doping -- how do you tell that -- sequence the DNA from every cell in the body??? Not likely...
<Th3Hegem0n> 60-70
<Th3Hegem0n> my dad watches that shit
<Th3Hegem0n> he's religious as hell
<John_Ventureville> most people have mixed feelings on the subject
<John_Ventureville> they compartmentalize their thoughts and feelings about it
<BJKlein> Th3Hegem0n, he needs to watch it more then.
<Th3Hegem0n> he won't change
<epimetheus> RJB you use exactly the same technology to deliver antiaging enhancements
<BJKlein> or turn up the sound or something
<Th3Hegem0n> you don't understand, we are southern people
<Th3Hegem0n> heh
<RJB> I think an aggressive campaign -- pick a small state, say R.I. and then stand outside every Church (on public property of course) and hand out flyers for a film about how humanity is going to create paradise on Earth.
<Bitster> the major objection of creationists is the "accident".
* BJKlein lives in Alabama
<enoosphere> I'm not sure if that will work. I know many identified religious people who watch the Discovery Channel "religiously".
<RJB> (... every church sunday morn...)
<Bitster> obviously, with technology, we are the designers,
<Th3Hegem0n> exactly...
<Bitster> so there's really not much of an objection
<BJKlein> RJB, do you know Bart Kosko?
<BJKlein> author = Heaven in a Chip
<epimetheus> so build a bridge from SA and get traction from their credibility
<Bitster> sa=?
<RJB> ep, well they are similar -- but a full anti-aging therapy is a bit beyond what you would require for genetic enhancements for athletics
<BJKlein> Scientific American = Mag
<Bitster> ty
<RJB> Don't think I know BBart.
<BJKlein> he is Fuzzy Logic fella
<RJB> SA?
<epimetheus> no exactly all you need to do is deliver fucntioning genes
<BJKlein> is that not Scientific American, the Mag?
<epimetheus> which encode fucntioning peptides
<epimetheus> which fold into fucntional enzymes
<epimetheus> which extend lifespan
<RJB> ep -- for genetic enhancements for athletics I can think of 3-4 genes and you can deliver them separately. For anti-aging, you may need hundreds and they probably need to be installed as "groups" that is quite a bit trickier.
<epimetheus> not hundreds. just 5 will do the trick
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<Captain_Integral> does anyone have a link to a listing of all the flaws in CFAI
<epimetheus> think teleologically
<BJKlein> good news.. Mel Gibson has agreed to narrate the ImmInst film
<enoosphere> lol!
<epimetheus> great an aussie
<epimetheus> teleologically not theologically
<BJKlein> what's the diff, heh
<epimetheus> with an end in mind and refeering to the number of genes needed for aa
<Chubtoad> narrator=7000
<RJB> e, you and I are reading different journals...
<BJKlein> so that explains it
<epimetheus> hehe... have you heard about dna damage?
<RJB> BJ -- that is *interesting* given his last film...
<RJB> I know a lot about DNA damage -- what are you talking about?
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<epimetheus> great. how do you minimize it?
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<BJKlein> Mel explains it as working on crossover apeal
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<RJB> Live in the depths of the ocean is one way.
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<RJB> Living on the dark side of the moon might be another.
<BJKlein> what about lead roof?
<Th3Hegem0n> lol
<BJKlein> or underground..
<Bitster> and we use the term "live" loosely
<RJB> Would help somewhat... There isn't a good understanding as to the division of the sources of damage between radiation, toxins and free radicals.
<BJKlein> what if we sleep standing up?
<RJB> For F.R. damage you have got to deal with caloric restriction until Aubrey's solution for moving the mt genome to the nucleus is implemented (if it can be done).
<epimetheus> try dna repair
<John_Ventureville> "The Passion of Bruce Klein" Mel records hours of BJ being chased and beaten by fundamentalist luddites!
<BJKlein> or with head toward the sun..
<epimetheus> then look at the enzymes driving it
<Th3Hegem0n> lol
<epimetheus> hehe
<lightowl> heh, this seems to have gone silly
<John_Ventureville> I had a long day
<RJB> BJ, probably doesn't help much -- actually if you are sleeping at night, all you are getting is the background radiation, not anything from the sun -- don't know how much difference this makes in dangerous particles however.
<John_Ventureville> please forgive me
<epimetheus> 500,000 mutattion occur per cell per day
<BJKlein> BJ suffers for the sins of 1,000 immortalist
<John_Ventureville> RJB, would there be any benefit to living inside (if you are very rich to do it) a huge lead container buried underground to protect from cosmic rays, background radiation, etc.?
<lightowl> Are we still on the subject of the film?
<enoosphere> You martyr, you.
<epimetheus> the rate of dna repair detemines if a cell goes apoptotic, carcinogenic or senescent
<RJB> e, the problem probably isn't with most of those mutations -- single point mutations are mostly corrected properly. Its the double strand breaks that are the problem.
<epimetheus> i think we were on the subject of cryogenically preserving pet rocks
<Bitster> but of course, bj, after crucifixion, rises again on the thrid day
<Th3Hegem0n> hahaha
<RJB> Nope. Its the number of DSB that determines whether p53 sends the cells off to apoptosis land...
<Bitster> those christians never seem to learn....
* BJKlein make a wry grin
<epimetheus> overexpress dna repair related genes and oyu increase the rate of dna repair
<John_Ventureville> with the help of the Father (...of cryonics, Robert Ettinger)
* BJKlein shall swim with the father
<RJB> Cfxn doesn't destroy the brain -- I bet if you get it within 3 days you are probably still ok!
<Bitster> rofl
<BJKlein> ah, depends on if your under the sun
<RJB> Doesn't help you -- looks like DNA repair for DSB is fundamentally broken -- it introduces deletions and insertions into the genome.
<BJKlein> lead hat, perhaps
<John_Ventureville> whew! So if I travel through time and Romans crucify me (right before the Alcor standby team beams me back to Phoenix) I wll be fine
<epimetheus> some dna repair enzymes hae more specificity than others
<John_Ventureville> good to know
<Th3Hegem0n> if i had a time machine i'd go back and save jesus to prevent this whole mess
<BJKlein> eh, there'd just be some other myth
<RJB> J, you will have to have chelation therapy from drinking liquids the romans stored in lead vessels and/or piped through lead pipes
<John_Ventureville> ever see the "Mad TV" movie sketch where a Terminator robot is sent back in time to save Jesus? Very, very funny.
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