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#1 nootropi

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Posted 19 August 2004 - 10:44 PM


Hey Nootropi,
With Breakfast

Life Extension Mix 1 scoop
PS 100 mg
R-ALA 200 mg
Pyridoxamine Dihydrochloride 100 mg
L-Carnosine 500 mg
Idebenone 100 mg

Morning Weight Train

Creatine 3 g
R-ALA 200 mg (to transport creatine to muscles)
Whey Protein 23 g protein

After Showering / Geting Ready for Work

Piracetam 1 g
Aniracetam 350 mg
Hydergine 2.25 mg
Alpha GPC 450 mg
Galanthamine 4 mg
Centrophenoxine 125 mg

Lunch

Life Extention Mix 1 tab

Post Work Weight Train (if I don't get lazy or have other plans for the night)

Creatine 3 g
R-ALA 200 mg
Whey Protein 23 g protein

With Dinner

Life Extension Mix 1 scoop
PS 100 mg
R-ALA 200 mg
Pyridoxamine Dihydrochloride 100 mg
L-Carnosine 500 mg
Idebenone 100 mg

Nootropic Stack Same as Above (I don't always take this consistently in the evenng after work)

Pre - Sleep (I take these for GH Release at night)

Gaba 3 g
L-Theanine 200 mg
Acetyl L-Carnitine 500 mg
Ornithine 50 mg

And my prioritized objectives are:

1 Life Extension (quality of life)
2 Cognitive Enhancement
3 Body Building

More or less I've been following this exact stack and adding various products along the way (more props to rizzer for making the ones I was already getting cheaper and making new editions cost efficient compared to other sources such as BAC and overseas pharmaceutical Co.'s) for almost a year now.

Last but not least I feel good, look good (if I may boast) and I'm at the top of my game at work (I'm an engineer).


Hello Lemon;

Your regimen is very elaborate. With my limited knowledge of the advanced field of life extension/cognitive enhancement, I can offer you a couple of tips.

First: your dosing schedule is out of control. You take your supplements in an order which does not maximize bioavailablity.

Here is what I think you should change:

Before breakfast/immediately after waking:

R-ALA 300 mg
ALCAR 800 mg
L-Carnosine 500 mg

Here is a suggestion/question: do you feel awake and alert immediately after waking? Would you like to? I don't want to push modafinil on you, but it has done wonders for me. It has no overstimulation effects; it only increases altertness, that's it; without affecting sleep patterns. If you can get a prescription for this, and your insurance covers it, I would highly suggest adding 200 mg immediately after waking. That will alleviate the need for massive amounts of caffeine ever again. If, for some reason, you cannot afford modafinil, and would like to achieve the same effect with a much lower price tag, then you can order a very acceptable substitute on the web: adrafinil. I have found that 300 mg of adrafinil equates roughly to 100 mg of modafinil, so you could substitute 600 mg of adrafinil for 200 mg of modafinil. If you have the time you should read this article Click here to view it. (you MUST have Adobe Acrobat reader installed, however.) I think that the hype regarding adrafinil increasing liver enzyme levels is just that; hype; however, I prefer modafinil simply because there is no hype about modafinil increasing liver enzymes at all.

In fact, all of your RALA, ALCAR, and L-Carnosine intake should be on an empty stomach. What this means is that you should not have eaten for at a few hours before prior to ingesting the aforementioned supplements. Upon taking these, wait for at least half an hour before eating or ingesting other supplements. Forty-five minutes would be even better.

From what I have read, L-Carnosine should be taken in 2 500 mg doses in each day, R-ALA 250 mg 3 times a day, ALCAR 800 mg 3 times a day.

I think you should reduce your dosage scheduling a bit, and add pretty much all the supps you take in the AM with your breakfast. That includes:

Life Extension Mix 1 scoop (?) You are probably paying TOO MUCH for this item on a day to day basis. You should find out the constituents of this so called Life Extension Mix, and order them in bulk to save $).
PS 100 mg
Pyridoxamine Dihydrochloride 100 mg
Idebenone 100 mg (I recommend 40-45 mg twice a day rather than one 100 mg dose-all of the published research which reported positive results used 45 mg twice a day)
Creatine 3 g
Whey Protein 23 g protein
Piracetam 1 g (I would have this dose twice a day)
Aniracetam 350 mg (I would increase this to 700 mg twice a day)
Hydergine 2.25 mg (I would increase this to 4.5 FAS daily)
Alpha GPC 450 mg
Galanthamine 4 mg

*I noticed you have no ALCAR in your regimen. That is a total must for life extension as well as cognitive enhancement. Rizzer has this for quite cheap, you should pick some up and start 800 mg 3 times a day on an empty stomach with R-ALA 250-300 mg, and L-Carnosine 500 mg thirty minutes to an hour before breakfast and lunch.

One excellent pharmacutical that I just added to my regimen is bromocriptine. It is a very powerful ergot, very powerful. I would suggest adding 0.75 mg (with breakfast) for the first few days then raise the dose to 1.25 mg. It is a very potent cererbral vasodialator, and has many other interesting properties as well. One such property is management of growth hormone (I see that this is among your interests), and lowering of prolactin (which is definately positive [that is, unless you like to be secreting milk]). One member of this forum mentioned that bromocriptine may have beneficial effects on body weight redistribution; ie your muscles grow where they are "supposed to" and weight is not added in unfavorable places (this comment is purely what I have heard and not found in scientific literature).

There are several more additions I would suggest; however, I need to know your age and budget.

I am sure you will get some excellent feedback from several other members of this forum. I always like to read what others have to add to the mix.

Take care.

:)

#2 lemon

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Posted 19 August 2004 - 11:27 PM

Thanks for the reply Nootropi.

Once again I assume all responsibility for anything I ingest and take everything said here with a grain of salt and do my own further research.

Now on to the points you made...

I do take ALCAR (Atcetyl L-Carnitine) before bed *on* an empty stomach (500mg).

:)


However, currently my morning routine is to eat immediately upon waking and take the "life extention" stack and then weight train for about 30 minutes and then take creatine/RALA/Whey protein. After this I shower and get ready for work and take my nootropic stack before heading out the door.

So a better routine might be, as you say, to take RALA, ALCAR, Carnosine when I wake then weight train.

As far as the Life Extension Mix goes. It's very comprehensive (take a look at the label sometime at www.LEF.org) and balanced I believe and is my core of my sumplementation regime. (This is the one item I would reccomend to anyone if they took nothing else).

As far as adrafinil and bromocriptine are concerned I'll be sure to read up on these.

And I think you wanted some vital information... I'm 28, no health complications to speak of and I'm an engineer (so yes I could afford pretty much whatever I wanted if it added real value).

Thanks for your comments.

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#3 nootropi

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Posted 19 August 2004 - 11:39 PM

Woopsie, I did not notice the ALCAR in your stack [tung]

Not adrafinil if you can afford modafinil (and can get a prescription for it)...

Also:

Nicergoline 5 mg after waking w/RALA, ALCAR, L-Carnosine

For cognitive enhancment:

Bacopa monniera extract, (20% standardized for bacosides), powder, 500g

That is 500 grams, the daily dose is 1 gram per day; so at that dose a 500 day supply; I ordered from this place; they sent me a COA with the order, high quality stuff.

For general health/cognitive enhancement:

Withania somnifera (standardized) Cost: $58.00 1 LB (16 OZ)
That is one lb (about 448 grams; the dose 1 gram a day)

Edited by nootropi, 19 August 2004 - 11:56 PM.


#4 lemon

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Posted 20 August 2004 - 12:38 AM

Fieyaa,

If you've followed me over to my own little thread nootropi was nice enough to share I'd like to comment on some of your points.

Cognitex's ingredients

Glycerylphosphorylcholine (GPC) 600 mg (I can get this from Smi2le)

Nexrutine ® 500 mg (inflamation blockade - Pyridoxamine Dihydrochloride and Carnosine do the same thing and better from what I understand)

Quercetin (water-soluble) 125 mg (Yeah, I'm gonna pay 60 bucks a month for this?)

Phosphatidylserine (PS) 100 mg (I can get this from Smi2le)

5-Loxin 50 mg (inflamation blockade - Pyridoxamine Dihydrochloride and Carnosine do the same thing and better from what I understand)

Pregnenolone 50 mg (I can get this from Smi2le - if I wanted it - I don't)

Vinpocetine 15 mg (I can get this from Smi2le)

The Super Booster is intriguing with the Vit-E components but I'm balking on it due to low perceived value for this relatively small list of ingredients as compared to the L.E.M. (I could still buy these ingredients in bulk if I wanted them cheaper).

Also... as far as inflamation pathway / glycation goes I plan to add 100 mg of benfotiamine to the mix (Rizzer? When you gettin' this?)

:)

Thanks for the reply!

#5 stellar

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Posted 20 August 2004 - 04:00 AM

R-ALA 300 mg
ALCAR 800 mg
L-Carnosine 500 mg


Nootropi,
Why must ALCAR be taken on an empty stomach?
Does ALA need to be taken on an empty stomach (I dont have the R form)?

That dose of L-Carnosine looks too high, I read an article in the IAS magazine that says b/t 100-300 mg of L-carnosine should be taken daily. I have experienced twitching and allergies on it, and realized I was taking too much carnosine (when using the 500 x2). Carnosine releases histamine, so this is probably why I experienced the allergies at least.

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Posted 20 August 2004 - 07:11 AM

nootropi, I'm glad you were able to find such an extensive article on adrafinil. I've been looking for a good overall analysis of adrafinil for a while. Thanks. :)




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