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#1 karoloydi

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Posted 15 June 2010 - 11:09 PM


I started taking 500mg resveratrol a day cause there are several studies showing that resveratrol increases fetal hemoglobin. I have thalassemia beta minor cauing my hemoglobin levels to be lower than normal which causes me fatigue.
I am hoping that the increase in fetal hemoglobin will relieve some of the symptoms.
I ve read that hemoglobin is has a life of 120 days.Does this mean that I should be experiencing the full effects of resveratrol in 120 days?
I ve been taking it for 10 days now. I havent felt any results yet. I only noticed deeper sleep, but that could also be from some other supplements I started taking at the same time (methyl B12, methylfolate, Vit D)
I was also hoping to help with my brain fog/ADHD but nothing on that department either. Cause I ve read that it increases the blood flow in the brain. How long should it take to see cognitive improvement? Is it still 120 days?

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 03:59 AM

I wouldnt mix it with any ADHD meds, nor would I count on it to make any marked improvement in cognitive function Resveratrol may not be the thing to take if you have pre-existing health conditions.

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#3 karoloydi

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 05:11 AM

I wouldnt mix it with any ADHD meds, nor would I count on it to make any marked improvement in cognitive function Resveratrol may not be the thing to take if you have pre-existing health conditions.


I am not taking any ADHD medicine. I was just hoping it would help. About my other condition Thalassemia, there have been studies showing that it can help by increasing fetal hemoglobin.
Now back to my question. Does anybody know how long it takes to work?

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 05:34 AM

I am not taking any ADHD medicine. I was just hoping it would help. About my other condition Thalassemia, there have been studies showing that it can help by increasing fetal hemoglobin.
Now back to my question. Does anybody know how long it takes to work?

I'm not sure if fetal hemoglobin effects will translate to adults. That's not a resveratrol effect I've heard of, at any rate. I don't think it would take 120 days, if it's going to do anything. Maybe a few weeks to a month? If you haven't seen an effect by then, you probably won't see one. Brain fog? No telling. Some people report anti-depressant-like effects. It may or may not affect an ADHD condition. I would expect to see results anywhere from a few days to a few weeks, if there's going to be one. If you are using a low purity extract, e.g. a 50% material, then the non-resveratrol components may have some psychoactive effects (along with undesirable GI effects). These would be apparent quickly.

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 06:19 AM

I don't know about resveratrol, but I suggest you read this:

http://darwinstable....alassemia-gone/

Edited by rwac, 16 June 2010 - 06:19 AM.


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Posted 16 June 2010 - 07:32 AM

I don't know about resveratrol, but I suggest you read this:

http://darwinstable....alassemia-gone/


His iron levels got higher? Thats not at all a mark that his thalassemia symptoms got better. Thats actually a common thing with people with thalassemia. People with thalassemia can suffer from iron overload due to their bodies attempt combat anemia by producing more red blood cells (that contain iron).

I ll dig up some studies about resveratrol increasing fetal hemoglobin and post them here. I am definately sure that a big part of the improvement in performance that people are experiencing is because the increase in fetal hemoglobin. Fetal hemoglobin is able to carry more oxygen. Thats kind of equivalent to athletes exercising in high altitude in order to increase their bloods ability to carry oxygen.

I think I ll make a new thread about fetal hemoglobin cause people here dont seem to know about this aspect of resveratrol. It would make an interesting discussion.

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 08:43 AM

Resveratrol does increase aerobic exercise capacity in mice. No studies in the literature on humans yet, but plenty of anecdotal evidence has been posted here to back it up. One cycling coach (posted as ridetolive) self-measured power output while training after noticing improvements in athletes he coached. After three months of a structured training regimen he was able to measure an increase in his performance compared to previous training periods that he attributed to resveratrol.

Whether this translates to increased hemoglobin I do not know - it could be improved mitochondrial efficiency - , but it is possible that it was due to more or better functioning cells.

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Posted 16 June 2010 - 12:03 PM

I found some studies:

Fetal globin induction in beta-thalassemia.
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/20001626

Abstract
Thalassemia patients with persistently high levels of fetal globin typically have less severe anemia, have milder clinical syndromes, and are often transfusion independent. Therefore, the search for molecules exhibiting the property of inducing gamma-globin gene expression and fetal hemoglobin (HbF) production is of great interest. Different pharmacological agents have been studied, namely erythropoietin, short chain fatty acids and cytotoxic agents, azacytidine, and hydroxycarbamide. Hemoglobin F inducers from natural plants, such as angelicin and resveratrol, are powerful inducers of erythroid differentiation and increase HbF in erythroid progenitors of thalassemia patients. Induction of HbF in beta-thalassemia patients is expected to be crucial for developing countries unable to sustain the high cost of clinical management of beta-thalassemia patients.




Fetal Hemoglobin Inducers from the Natural World: A Novel Approach for Identification of Drugs for the Treatment of {beta}-Thalassemia and Sickle-Cell Anemia.
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/18955291

Abstract
The objective of this review is to present examples of lead compounds identified from biological material (fungi, plant extracts and agro-industry material) and of possible interest in the field of a pharmacological approach to the therapy of beta-thalassemia using molecules able to stimulate production of fetal hemoglobin (HbF) in adults. Concerning the employment of HbF inducers as potential drugs for pharmacological treatment of beta-thalassemia, the following conclusions can be reached: (i) this therapeutic approach is reasonable, on the basis of the clinical parameters exhibited by hereditary persistence of fetal hemoglobin patients, (ii) clinical trials (even if still limited) employing HbF inducers were effective in ameliorating the symptoms of beta-thalassemia patients, (iii) good correlation of in vivo and in vitro results of HbF synthesis and gamma-globin mRNA accumulation indicates that in vitro testing might be predictive of in vivo responses and (iv) combined use of different inducers might be useful to maximize HbF, both in vitro and in vivo. In this review, we present three examples of HbF inducers from the natural world: (i) angelicin and linear psoralens, contained in plant extracts from Angelica arcangelica and Aegle marmelos, (ii) resveratrol, a polyphenol found in grapes and several plant extracts and (iii) rapamycin, isolated from Streptomyces hygroscopicus.



Resveratrol, a natural dietary phytoalexin, possesses similar properties to hydroxyurea towards erythroid differentiation.
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/11380423

Abstract
Resveratrol, a natural dietary polyphenol, has been postulated to be implicated in the cardioprotective effect of red wine and the low incidence of breast and prostate cancers among vegetarians and Orientals respectively. This compound inhibits ribonucleotide reductase as does hydroxyurea, the first therapeutic agent used in the treatment of sickle cell disease. Using the human erythroleukaemic K562 cell line as an in vitro model, we show here that 50 micromol/l of resveratrol induced a higher haemoglobin production (sevenfold) in K562 cells than 500 micromol/l of hydroxyurea (3.5-fold). This erythroid differentiation was linked to a dose- and time-dependent inhibition of cell proliferation associated with an equivalent increased expression of p21 mRNA, but with a higher increased level of p21 protein (sixfold) for cells treated with resveratrol than for those treated with hydroxyurea (1.5-fold). We also show that 50 micromol/l of resveratrol and 25 micromol/l of hydroxyurea induced variable but similar enhancements of fetal haemoglobin synthesis in cultured erythroid progenitors for the majority of the sickle cell patients studied. These inductions were linked to, but not correlated with, a variable decrease in erythroid burst-forming unit clone number. Taken together, these results show that resveratrol merits further investigations in sickle cell disease therapy.




Increase in Nitric Oxide could also be a factor to the increase in performance. Lots of bodybuilders use nitric oxide supplements. Its also really good for people with thalassemia cause they have low levels of Nitric Oxide.

Resveratrol stimulates nitric oxide production by increasing estrogen receptor alpha-Src-caveolin-1 interaction and phosphorylation in human umbilical vein endothelial cells.
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/18296501

Abstract
Epidemiological studies correlate moderate red wine consumption to reduced incidence of cardiovascular disease. Resveratrol is a polyphenolic compound in red wine that has cardioprotective effects in rodents. Although endothelial cell (EC) studies indicate that micromolar resveratrol has diverse biological activities, these concentrations are not physiologically relevant because human oral ingestion provides only brief exposure to nanomolar plasma levels. Previously, we reported that nanomolar resveratrol activated ERK1/2 signaling in bovine aortic ECs (BAECs). The goal of this study was to determine the mechanisms by which nanomolar resveratrol rapidly activates endothelial nitric oxide synthase (eNOS) in human umbilical vein ECs (HUVECs). We report for the first time that resveratrol increased interaction between estrogen receptor alpha (ER alpha), caveolin-1 (Cav-1) and c-Src, and increased phosphorylation of Cav-1, c-Src, and eNOS. Pretreatment with the lipid raft disruptor beta-methyl cyclodextrin or G alpha inhibitor pertussis toxin blocked resveratrol- and E(2)-induced eNOS activation and NO production. Depletion of endogenous ER alpha, not ERbeta, by siRNA attenuated resveratrol- and E(2)-induced ERK1/2, Src, and eNOS phosphorylation. Our data demonstrate that nanomolar resveratrol induces ER alpha-Cav-1-c-SRC interaction, resulting in NO production through a G alpha-protein-coupled mechanism. This study provides important new insights into mechanisms for the beneficial effects of resveratrol in ECs.



Also have a look at this for reference on how increase in oxygen can increase athletic performance:

Drugs for increasing oxygen and their potential use in doping: a review.
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/12656640

Blood oxygenation is a fundamental factor in optimising muscular activity. Enhancement of oxygen delivery to tissues is associated with a substantial improvement in athletic performance, particularly in endurance sports. Progress in medical research has led to the identification of new chemicals for the treatment of severe anaemia. Effective and promising molecules have been created and sometimes used for doping purposes. The aim of this review is to present methods, and drugs, known to be (or that might be) used by athletes to increase oxygen transport in an attempt to improve endurance capacity. These methods and drugs include: (i) blood transfusion; (ii) endogenous stimulation of red blood cell production at altitude, or using hypoxic rooms, erythropoietins (EPOs), EPO gene therapy or EPO mimetics; (iii) allosteric effectors of haemoglobin; and (iv) blood substitutes such as modified haemoglobin solutions and perfluorochemicals. Often, new chemicals are used before safety tests have been completed and athletes are taking great health risks. Such new chemicals have also created the need for new instrumental strategies in doping control laboratories, but not all of these chemicals are detectable. Further progress in analytical research is necessary.


This is from Wikipedia on fetal hemoglobin's ability to carry more oxygen:

Fetal hemoglobin's affinity for oxygen is substantially greater than that of adult hemoglobin. Notably, the P50 value for fetal hemoglobin (i.e., the partial pressure of oxygen at which the protein is 50% saturated; lower values indicate greater affinity) is roughly 19 mmHg, whereas adult hemoglobin has a value of approximately 26.8 mmHg. As a result, the so-called "oxygen saturation curve", which plots percent saturation vs. pO2, is left-shifted for fetal hemoglobin in comparison to the same curve in adult hemoglobin.


Edited by karoloydi, 16 June 2010 - 12:39 PM.


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Posted 24 June 2010 - 11:16 PM

"One cycling coach (posted as ridetolive) self-measured power output while training after noticing improvements in athletes he coached. After three months of a structured training regimen he was able to measure an increase in his performance compared to previous training periods that he attributed to resveratrol. "

Link?

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 01:24 AM

"One cycling coach (posted as ridetolive) self-measured power output while training after noticing improvements in athletes he coached. After three months of a structured training regimen he was able to measure an increase in his performance compared to previous training periods that he attributed to resveratrol. "

Link?


You could find it searching members for "ridetolive" with the forum tools, and looking for his posts.
Try reading through he entire topic HERE

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 03:47 AM

Resveratrol, a natural dietary phytoalexin, possesses similar properties to hydroxyurea towards erythroid differentiation.
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/11380423

Abstract
Resveratrol, a natural dietary polyphenol, has been postulated to be implicated in the cardioprotective effect of red wine and the low incidence of breast and prostate cancers among vegetarians and Orientals respectively. This compound inhibits ribonucleotide reductase as does hydroxyurea, the first therapeutic agent used in the treatment of sickle cell disease. Using the human erythroleukaemic K562 cell line as an in vitro model, we show here that 50 micromol/l of resveratrol induced a higher haemoglobin production (sevenfold) in K562 cells than 500 micromol/l of hydroxyurea (3.5-fold). This erythroid differentiation was linked to a dose- and time-dependent inhibition of cell proliferation associated with an equivalent increased expression of p21 mRNA, but with a higher increased level of p21 protein (sixfold) for cells treated with resveratrol than for those treated with hydroxyurea (1.5-fold). We also show that 50 micromol/l of resveratrol and 25 micromol/l of hydroxyurea induced variable but similar enhancements of fetal haemoglobin synthesis in cultured erythroid progenitors for the majority of the sickle cell patients studied. These inductions were linked to, but not correlated with, a variable decrease in erythroid burst-forming unit clone number. Taken together, these results show that resveratrol merits further investigations in sickle cell disease therapy.

Thanks for bringing us up to speed on HbF. I didn't know that it could be pharmacologically induced in adults. Unfortunately, in this experiment, they used 50 micromolar resveratrol, a very high concentration that might be impractical to attain in humans. Your best shot at getting anywhere near that sort of concentration would be a large (~5-10g/d) dose of a micronized resveratrol formulation in an agent like HPMC or Tween. This would be expensive; probably on par with (or even more than) typical prescription drugs on a $/day basis, though less than high end drugs like EPO. It would probably also entail some side effects like stomach upset or other GI issues. It might be worth looking at hydroxyurea (and EPO if you're insured). It might be the case that a significantly lower concentration of resveratrol would still be effective; you could check the full paper to see if they addressed that. If you really want to go out on the edge (pretend you're Lance Armstrong...) maybe you could take out a unit of blood, treat it with 50 uM resveratrol, then put it back in. I wouldn't recommend that without some serious medical and lab skills, because the downside risk is pretty ugly if you don't get everything right.

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Posted 25 June 2010 - 07:58 AM

Resveratrol, a natural dietary phytoalexin, possesses similar properties to hydroxyurea towards erythroid differentiation.
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/11380423

Abstract
Resveratrol, a natural dietary polyphenol, has been postulated to be implicated in the cardioprotective effect of red wine and the low incidence of breast and prostate cancers among vegetarians and Orientals respectively. This compound inhibits ribonucleotide reductase as does hydroxyurea, the first therapeutic agent used in the treatment of sickle cell disease. Using the human erythroleukaemic K562 cell line as an in vitro model, we show here that 50 micromol/l of resveratrol induced a higher haemoglobin production (sevenfold) in K562 cells than 500 micromol/l of hydroxyurea (3.5-fold). This erythroid differentiation was linked to a dose- and time-dependent inhibition of cell proliferation associated with an equivalent increased expression of p21 mRNA, but with a higher increased level of p21 protein (sixfold) for cells treated with resveratrol than for those treated with hydroxyurea (1.5-fold). We also show that 50 micromol/l of resveratrol and 25 micromol/l of hydroxyurea induced variable but similar enhancements of fetal haemoglobin synthesis in cultured erythroid progenitors for the majority of the sickle cell patients studied. These inductions were linked to, but not correlated with, a variable decrease in erythroid burst-forming unit clone number. Taken together, these results show that resveratrol merits further investigations in sickle cell disease therapy.

Thanks for bringing us up to speed on HbF. I didn't know that it could be pharmacologically induced in adults. Unfortunately, in this experiment, they used 50 micromolar resveratrol, a very high concentration that might be impractical to attain in humans. Your best shot at getting anywhere near that sort of concentration would be a large (~5-10g/d) dose of a micronized resveratrol formulation in an agent like HPMC or Tween. This would be expensive; probably on par with (or even more than) typical prescription drugs on a $/day basis, though less than high end drugs like EPO. It would probably also entail some side effects like stomach upset or other GI issues. It might be worth looking at hydroxyurea (and EPO if you're insured). It might be the case that a significantly lower concentration of resveratrol would still be effective; you could check the full paper to see if they addressed that. If you really want to go out on the edge (pretend you're Lance Armstrong...) maybe you could take out a unit of blood, treat it with 50 uM resveratrol, then put it back in. I wouldn't recommend that without some serious medical and lab skills, because the downside risk is pretty ugly if you don't get everything right.


Bear in mind that those tests are done for conditions that causes severe anemia in which people need regular blood tranfusions.
The purpose for supplementation for those people is to need transfusions less regularly.
A normal person like you and a person with only mild anemia like me will probably need lower dose to start seeing benefits from it.




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