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[A941]

What are the more interessting sources of alternative energy which could help us to generate power after the oil is gone?

[Reno]

I wonder what sort of power a CNT space elevator would generate just sitting over all the magnetic layers of the atmosphere.

Could you imagine space elevators created from carbon every couple of hundred miles apart coordinated and designed to disperse electricity and transportation for the local areas. If you needed more energy you could put solar stations in orbit. It's Cheap, 100% clean, and once the first CNT cables are made, relatively easy.

[Reno]

I've been thinking about this question more and more over the last few days. Here is a short list of the accepted ideas for creating power. I think it's kind of fun to think of ways to solve problems like this.

Solar
Geothermal
Hydroelectric
Wind
Bio diesel from algae---> CNN article and video
Natural gas
Hydrogen

For me, I think this field is still full of possibilities for the average person to explore, because I believe the oil companies have buried quite a few of the relevant clean energies. Like I imagine there is such a thing as a perpetual motion machine. It probably isn't anything close to 100% energy efficient, but then again there is no generator that is. I believe gravity is like any other resource. It can probably be exploited if done in a clever way. There are other more exotic ideas for generating energy: fusion, antimatter etc. I doubt we'll every run across enough antimatter to light a light bulb.

Edited by Reno, 03 July 2010 - 09:35 AM.

[bobdrake12]

We need to go further outside the box.


Free Energy Another Inconvenient Truth


Tesla The Race to Zero Point Free Energy
http://video.google....05906535911834#

[Luna]

As long as we get an energy that can never end (by perfectly replenishing or simply being infinite) one day then I am happy.. seeing the possibilities known at the moment.. I am not so happy even if it will only be depleted in trillions of billions squared more trillions of years.

[Reno]

As long as we get an energy that can never end (by perfectly replenishing or simply being infinite) one day then I am happy.. seeing the possibilities known at the moment.. I am not so happy even if it will only be depleted in trillions of billions squared more trillions of years.

Why, what does it matter? I bet you a snowcone that in 1 trillion years you won't care.

Edited by Reno, 05 July 2010 - 01:15 AM.

[Luna]

As long as we get an energy that can never end (by perfectly replenishing or simply being infinite) one day then I am happy.. seeing the possibilities known at the moment.. I am not so happy even if it will only be depleted in trillions of billions squared more trillions of years.

Why, what does it matter? I bet you a snowcone that in 1 trillion years you won't care.

I will care if we are somehow very very lucky.

If not, it sucks trillions!

And no that it matters to us if we failed, it will matter for anyone alive in a trillion years. Better succeed though ^^

Edited by Luna, 05 July 2010 - 05:16 AM.

[valkyrie_ice]

on the Nanopower newsfront: http://nextbigfuture...nic-motors.html

Nature Nanotechnology - Light-driven nanoscale plasmonic motors

A plasmonic motor only 100 nanometers in size when illuminated with linearly polarized light can generate a torque sufficient to drive a micrometre-sized silica disk 4,000 times larger in volume.

In addition to easily being able to control the rotational speed and direction of this motor, we can create coherent arrays of such motors, which results in greater torque and faster rotation of the microdisk

"When multiple motors are integrated into one silica microdisk, the torques applied on the disk from the individual motors accumulate and the overall torque is increased," Liu says. "For example, a silica disk embedded with four plasmonic nanomotors attains the same rotation speed with only half of the laser power applied as a disk embedded with a single motor." The nanoscale size of this new light mill makes it ideal for powering NEMS, where the premium is on size rather than efficiency. Generating relatively powerful torque in a nanosized light mill also has numerous potential biological applications, including the controlled unwinding and rewinding of the DNA double helix. When these light mill motors are structurally optimized for efficiency, they could be useful for harvesting solar energy in nanoscopic systems.

They are tiny and yes, they look like Swastikas. Get over it. They take light rays and convert them directly to usable mechanical energy.


For nanobots, this is a viable powersource using long wavelength penetrating light. For the solar power industry, this could be the answer to cheap high efficiency solar, with layers of rotors absorbing specific lengths of light based on penetration depth into the cell. This could be the answer to "batteries" with the creation of items whose entire surface can be made as a solar cell without compromising other electronic functions.


This could be a game changer.

[Reno]

They are tiny and yes, they look like Swastikas.

"White power white power"

Sorry lmao, this idiot saying white power just popped in my mind when i read that.

[bobdrake12]

Free Energy = Free People

More expensive "clean" energy = more profits for a select elete at a higher cost to the rest of us.

We need less expensive (and preferrably free) energy that is clean. But where are the profits in clean, free energy?

Here is a case in point:

Over 100 years ago, inventor Nikola Tesla conceptualized limitless free enegry for everybody by using his Wardenclyffe Tower. But when J.P. Morgan, who financed Tesla's project, found out about his leap in technology, he eventually backed off. This is because the Banker Overlord couldn't put a meter on it. Construction costs eventually exceeded the money provided by Morgan, and additional financiers were not to be found. Then, Morgan decided not to provide any additional financing. Morgan cancelled the project and also advised other investors to avoid funding Tesla's Wardenclyffe Tower... This example in history is discussed in the video below:

[bobdrake12]

http://www.knowledge...enclyffe_Tower/


Wardenclyffe Tower (excerpts)

Nikola Tesla's Wardenclyffe Tower is named after James S. Warden, a western lawyer and banker, who had purchased land in Shoreham, Long Island, New York, in proximity to Manhattan, and built a resort community (known as Wardenclyffe-On-Sound). Warden believed that Tesla's system would establish a "Radio City" in the area. Warden offered Tesla 200 acres of land close to a railway line.

History

In 1900, Nikola Tesla began planning the Wardenclyffe Tower facility. In 1901, the construction project was begun on the land near Long Island Sound. The architect Stanford White designed the Wardenclyffe facility main building. Nikola Tesla's project was funded by influential industrialists and other venture capitalists. The project was also initially backed by the wealthy J. P. Morgan (he had a substaintial investment in the facility; initially investing over $100,000 to as much as $150,000).

In June 1902, Tesla's laboratory operations were moved to Wardenclyffe from his previous Houston street Laboratory. In 1903, the tower structure was near completion, although it was not yet functional due to a design error. When Morgan wanted to know "Where can I put the meter?", Tesla's vision of free power did not agree with Morgan's worldview. The construction costs eventually exceeded the money provided by Morgan, however, and additional financiers were reluctant to give any more. By July, 1904, Morgan (and the other investors) decided that additional financing was not to be given. J. P. Morgan also encouraged other investors to avoid the project. In May 1905, Tesla's alternating current motors and methods of power transmission patents expired, stopping the royalty payments and causing severe reduction to the fundinig of the Wardenclyffe Tower. Tesla advertised services of the Wardenclyffe facility to find alternative funding with little success. At this time, Tesla also designed the Tesla turbine at Wardenclyffe and produced Tesla coils for sale to various businesses to generate funding.

When Tesla could not find any more backers, most of the site's activity had to be shut down by 1905 and employees were laid off in 1906. Parts of the building were used until 1907.

Nikola Tesla - Wardenclyffe Tower

Excerpt from documentary entitled "Nikola Tesla: The Genius Who Lit The World". Information regarding the Wardenclyffe Tower, which Tesla said would provide the world with free wireless electricity.

The Missing Secrets Of Nikola Tesla

[robomoon]

Just nuclear. This offers some unforeseen blasts or spills, so mankind will be gone before fuel for the power itself. Very strategic, not for immortality, but anyways...

Edited by robomoon, 09 July 2010 - 09:40 PM.

[bobdrake12]

As long as we get an energy that can never end (by perfectly replenishing or simply being infinite) one day then I am happy.

http://viewzone2.com/abioticoilx.html

Abiotic Oil

The abiotic oil formation theory suggests that crude oil is the result of naturally occurring and possibly ongoing geological processes. This theory was developed in the Soviet Union during the Cold War, as the Union needed to be self sufficient in terms of producing its own energy. The science behind the theory is sound and is based on experimental evidence in both the laboratory and in the field. This theory has helped to identify and therefore develop large numbers of gas and oil deposits. Examples of such fields are the South Khylchuyu field and the controversial Sakhalin II field.

In its simplest form, the theory is that carbon present in the magma beneath the crust reacts with hydrogen to form methane as well as a raft of other mainly alkane hydrocarbons. The reactions are more complicated than this, with several intermediate stages. Particular mineral rocks such as granite and other silicon based rocks act as catalysts, which speed up the reaction without actually becoming involved or consumed in the process.

Experiments have shown that under extreme conditions of heat and pressure it is possible to convert iron oxide, calcium carbonate and water into methane, with hydrocarbons containing up to 10 carbon atoms being produced by Russian scientists last century and confirmed in recent US experiments. The absence of large quantities of free gaseous oxygen in the magma prevents the hydrocarbons from burning and therefore forming the lower energy state molecule carbon dioxide. The conditions present in the Earth's mantle would easily be sufficient for these small hydrocarbon chains to polymerise into the longer chain molecules found in crude oil.

[valkyrie_ice]

There's more to it than just Tesla, Bobdrake

Maxwell's equations were originally 8 in number, and used quarternons to denote 4 dimensional electromagnetic fields and scalar waves. Oliver Heaviside decided he didn't like the 4th dimension in Maxwell's equations, and "Murdered them" out of the math, replacing them with vector mathematics. His work eliminated the potentials (electrostatic potential and vector potential) that Maxwell had used as the central concepts in his equations. The version taught universally today as "Maxwell's equations" are in reality Heaviside's work, and far too simplified, but you would be hard pressed to find a physicist who would be willing to question them.

How different could modern theories be if Einstein had worked with the original equations?

[bobdrake12]

There's more to it than just Tesla, Bobdrake

Maxwell's equations were originally 8 in number, and used quarternons to denote 4 dimensional electromagnetic fields and scalar waves. Oliver Heaviside decided he didn't like the 4th dimension in Maxwell's equations, and "Murdered them" out of the math, replacing them with vector mathematics. His work eliminated the potentials (electrostatic potential and vector potential) that Maxwell had used as the central concepts in his equations. The version taught universally today as "Maxwell's equations" are in reality Heaviside's work, and far too simplified, but you would be hard pressed to find a physicist who would be willing to question them.

How different could modern theories be if Einstein had worked with the original equations?

Very good point, valkyrie_ice!

It all depends on your background and what your need to know is.


Einstein and Tesla

If you go beyond the usual open access information, you could find that during the war effort against the Axis Powers both Einstein (Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton) and therefore Tesla used the second set of Maxwells equations that is sometimes confused with the primary set of four. Derived from Maxwell’s 1865 work “A Dynamical Theory of the Electromagnetic Field,” this combination of equations totals eight and is far more useful.

Source

Bearden has redone 19th century James Clerk Maxwell’s work, the founder of the classical electrodynamics theory. He says the interpretation of the original work of Maxwell is seriously flawed and has been misinterpreted and simplified by Lorentz and Heaviside for better understanding. Bearden discovered that the original quaternion equations of Maxwell were overlooked and, as a result, so was the possibility of tapping free energy from the vacuum. Bearden is in good company about this statement since it was Max Planck the founder of quantum physics who had always suggested that the validity of Maxwell’s equation should be re-established.

In lay terms Bearden’s MEG devices is basically a charged dipole, consisting of two charged plates. He explains that the physical vacuum creates a virtual photon flux of electromagnetic energy that sustains the electrical dipole potential. The dipole potential is actually the equilibrium between the discharge and replenishment by virtual photons from the vacuum. Hence, the static electric field is not static at all; it only appears to be so, much like a waterfall, which from a distance looks like one static wall of water, but when studied at close range proves to be a constant flow of water. The secret of the Meg device is not to discharge the charge of the dipole in the same circuit of the dipole but in another separate electrical circuit. After this the vacuum will automatically replenish the discharged dipole to seek equilibrium. The charge that flows in the other circuit is said to deliver real electrical power.

In this way zero point energy is extracted from the vacuum and discharged in an electrical circuit. Bearden says that all our current sources of electrical energy such as batteries, dynamos and power plants all have one problem in common. When the electrical current is fed back to the source that created the electrical current to begin with, it will kill the source of the virtual photon flux with the vacuum. Unknowingly we’ve been taking buckets full of zero point energy from the river but were unintentionally throwing it straight back into the river.

Tom Bearden also made a very important new discovery concerning a new type of ‘electromagnetic energy’. According to Bearden the four Maxell equations used in today’s electrical engineering are simplified versions of Maxwell’s original work. According to Bearden it was Oliver Heaviside who removed the scalar part of the complex numbers in Maxwell’s equations leaving only the vectors in Maxwell’s equations for easy calculation.

This is why science today only knows the classical electromagnetic wave that is a transverse wave. In the transverse wave the electrical and magnetic fields of the electromagnetic wave oscillate perpendicular to the propagation of the wave. Bearden says that by removing the scalar part in Maxwell’s equations we missed the fact that energy can also propagate as a longitudinal wave at super-luminal speed (faster than the speed of light). Longitudinal waves are akin to sound waves and oscillate in the same direction as their propagation.

According to Bearden the internal longitudinal wave in the electromagnetic wave is the fundamental wave and exists in all known electromagnetic fields of any shape. The scalar component of the electromagnetic wave can be created from two opposing electromagnetic waves, a wave and its anti wave. Both waves will cancel each other’s electrical and magnetic field components when the waves are in phase spatially but 180 degrees out of phase temporally The result is an electromagnetic scalar wave. This scalar wave travels in the time domain and it is completely different from the transverse electromagnetic wave, which travels through three dimensional space. According to Bearden we must think of time as a compressed form of energy just like matter is. Remember Einstein’s famous law that tells us that energy equals mass times light speed squared? Now the same amount of abundant compressed energy can be found in the time domain and can be tapped when the longitudinal scalar EM waves of the time domain are converted into ordinary transverse EM waves. The conversion of scalar electromagnetic energy into transverse electromagnetic energy is called scalar interferometry and is the result of two interfering scalar waves. It is the opposite effect to the self-cancelling of two transverse electromagnetic waves which creates the scalar wave.

The virtual photon flux that occurs between the dipole and the vacuum mentioned above is what scalar waves are. So scalar waves are very different from electromagnetic waves; for one thing they can travel over immense distances with no loss of energy at super-luminal speed (faster than light).

When scalar waves are created by a dipole, such as a battery, a generator or a permanent magnet with two poles, the polarisation of charge will create scalar waves that rush between the dipole and the vacuum. Every dipole in the universe from the atom with its positive and negative charges, to the Earth and the Sun with its magnetic fields and all the other heavenly bodies in the universe radiate scalar waves, so basically scalar waves are everywhere in the universe, they fill the vacuum of space making it a plenum of zero point energy.

In the early 20th century Nikola Tesla was the first to discover the scalar wave. He used induction coils to create these scalar waves. He had conducted many experiments while sending scalar waves around the Earth proving that scalar waves propagate over long distances with no loss in field strength. Unlike our current familiar electromagnetic wave that dissipates and looses its energy at a rate equal to the square of the distance from the source, Tesla’s longitudinal waves could travel any distance with practically no loss of energy.

Tesla in his time believed in the existence of the aether and that it could be harnessed for free energy that could be the salvation of humankind. He addressed the American Institute of Electrical Engineers in 1891 with these words; ‘.. with the power derived from it, with every form of energy obtained without effort, from stores forever inexhaustible, humanity will advance with great strides, it is a mere question of time when man will succeed in attaching their machinery to the wheelwork of nature’.

Tom Bearden’s scalar waves have also been discovered by Russian scientists. The Russians however have given scalar waves a different name; they refer to them as torsion waves. We will learn much more about torsion waves later. As a former military man, Bearden is convinced that the Russians used this technology to create an arsenal of scalar wave weaponry during the Cold War. These weapons are based on Tesla’s howitzer, a deadly scalar weapon that makes our present day weapons of mass destruction weak in comparison. In their mildest form these weapons can be used to modify and manipulate the weather, create hurricanes and tornados and can even be used to induce earthquakes. In their most aggressive application they could wipe out our present civilisation with a deadly force that is unstoppable.

On the other hand the peaceful application of scalar wave technology is beyond imagination; it is unlike any other technology that this planet has ever witnessed and may lead us into a Golden Age. It promises free energy, anti gravity propulsion, and healing applications that will cure any disease by means of time reversing the illness. According to Bearden, Antoine Priore in the sixties and seventies used a pre-cursor of his patented medical application of the scalar wave technology and Priore’s experiments on animals proved that he was able to cure all forms of cancer. The explanation for these miraculous cures is that the damaged cells are simply forced by the scalar waves to their previous healthy state. So scalar wave technology is a technology of miracles if we are to believe Bearden.

Bearden’s theory, which he has put in writing in a book called ‘Energy from the vacuum, concepts & principles’, is proven by the first marketed power device called the ‘Patterson Power Cell’, an innovative over unity energy device.

Please note the significance of the following portion of the quote:

It promises free energy, anti gravity propulsion, and healing applications that will cure any disease by means of time reversing the illness

[bobdrake12]

AntiGravity Physics Background & Initial Research

NASA's Gravity Probe B recently measured the gravitomagnetic field of the Earth as it rotates around the sun. With Maxwell's Field Equations so begin many attempts to unify the theories of Electromagnetism and Gravity... A Unified Field Theory will provide the correct analog and allow us to then build technology with which to control Gravity.

In science we start with experimental evidence, which brings us to a superconductor laboratory in Finland 1992 where Dr. Eugene Podkletnov and colleagues discovers an anomalous gravitational effect in rotating superconductors. This effect has since been replicated by NASA, ESA (European Space Agency), and others...

Electrogravity & Thomas Townsend Brown

Thomas Townsend Brown's 1928 Brown paper on the Biefeld-Brown Effect: An Electrogravitic effect whereby high-voltage electrostatic fields effect local gravity. T.T. Brown was born in 1905 in Zanesville, Ohio. He discovered electrogravity while toying with a Coolidge tube. He later went on to produce an asymmetric capacitor which he termed the "Gravitator", Brown entered CalTech in 1922 and later left after his professors ignored his work on electrogravity. Brown transferred to Denison University where he worked with one of his physics professors Dr. Paul Alfred Biefeld. Myth Busters, Dr. Martin Tajmar, and Dr. R. J. Talley (USAF) have tried to debunk the effect with unconvincing results. In 1955-56 Brown conducted vacuum chamber experiments at, Societe Nationale du Constructions Aeronautiques du Sud-Ouest, a paris based aerospace company.

In the March 9, 1992, issue, aviation week & space technology magazine it was disclosed that the B-2 Advanced Technology Bomber electrostatically charges it's exhaust stream. West Coast Aviation scientists and engineers revealed the information. At an aerospace sciences meeting held in New York in January 1968 Northrops Norair Division revealed it was conducting wind tunnel experiments on electrostatically charging the leading edges of speeding aircraft bodies. Similar research was conducted in 1965 by the Grumman and Avco corporations.

Edited by bobdrake12, 11 July 2010 - 12:58 PM.

[bobdrake12]

How Superconducting Levitation Works

An education video describing how the cool technology of superconductors in magnetic levitation works.

Maglev Train (Superconductor) - Marathi

The fastest train in the world.
This belongs to Dept of Physics, University of Sherbroke, Canada.
Uploaded only for Scientific Views.

[valkyrie_ice]

Don't overlook the Electric Cosmos theories. http://www.electric-...rg/indexOLD.htm

I used to be a true believer in current mainstream physics and astrophysics, but it has become clearer and clearer with each new "unexpected result that flies in the face of accepted theories" that those fields made a serious wrong turn somewhere, and have now become too heavily invested in salvaging the reputations that they strove so hard to make as "infallible" to admit to the fact that they have completely left observed reality for mathematical fantasy. Like Ptolemy, they have created an ever more complex "model" with more and more "undetectable" mathematical ghosts to cover the fact that their "theories" don't explain observed results.

In fact, a recent experiment http://www.physorg.c...s197727820.html just proved that the proton is 4% smaller than has been assumed for the last century, a finding which throws almost the entirety of sub atomic physics into question.

the findings could challenge fundamental precepts of quantum electrodynamics, the theory of how quantum light and matter interact, say its authors.

Is Bearden right? At this point I couldn't say, because despite all his claims, he has yet to produce a verified working version of his "inventions" nor have any people who have bought the "plans" come forward to vindicate his claims. I simply cannot buy into such a vast conspiracy that it could prevent publication of any evidence to back his claims, which could not simply solve the "problem" by eliminating him.

It TT Brown right? Again, I can't say, but I think there's a higher probablity he is, because it has been verified that in the early 50's there was enormous interest in Electrogravitics, which suddenly vanished with evidence that it was classified into a black ops research project. I've done a lot of digging on EG, and nothing in it seems to indicate a hoax, unlike Bearden.

Is Tesla right? Again, I can't say, because there has been enormous effort to try and reproduce his work, and again, all the players in his downfall are long dead, and I cannot buy into a conspiracy to keep his work buried still being effective in the modern age.

But Tesla, Brown, and Bearden all could have pieces of the real truth, just like Electric Cosmos theory seems to explain the structure of the universe far more simply than a theory which requires 90% of the universe to be "dark" to try and salvage their belief that gravity is the only factor which controls that structure when electromagnetic forces 37 orders of magnitude more powerful explains things better.

Right now, the only "science" I put any real trust in is those which directly connect with the real world, such as chemistry, biology, and computer science. Physics and Astrophysics need a LOT of work to return from mathematical lala land.

[bobdrake12]

But Tesla, Brown, and Bearden all could have pieces of the real truth

It all depends upon your background and your need to know, valkyrie_ice.

[bobdrake12]

I cannot buy into a conspiracy to keep his work buried still being effective in the modern age.

The FBI took Tesla's papers after his death. Reportedly, some 252 pages have now been declassified, although I have so far been unable to locate them on the net.

Even so, numerous sources have stated that the vast majority of Tesla's papers still remain classified. I have included just three of these sources further below.

I would appreciate any information (including links) to the contrary. Also, it would be appreciated if someone could find the 252 declassified pages on the net. I would be interested to see if portions of them have been redacted (blacked out).

http://lyne4lyne.tripod.com/tesla.htm

There have been countless speculations as to what Tesla's most secret discoveries were. At the time of his death, there were in all, the approximate equivalent of a railroad boxcar load of Tesla materials confiscated by the FBI, from around four different storage locations and Tesla's hotel storage and hotel room and safe. Of this, a total of only about 150,000 documents were released to Tesla's Yugoslavian relatives, now held by the Tesla Institute in Belgrade. These documents and old models, primarily of a historical nature, comprise most of the published Tesla materials of the institute. The huge volume of the rest of the documents and models was retained by the Custodian of Alien Properties in an unclassified state, because the government's "experts" had declared that none of it was worth classifying, from 1943 until 1945, when, following the arrival of the Nazi scientists and the secret war files of Nazi Germany, acquired under Operation Paperclip, the spooks from Wright-Patterson Air Force Base hurried up to the warehouses of the Custodian of Alien Properties, and took possession of all the documents and other materials, and every bit of them have been classified at the highest level ever since, the government having declassified NONE of them.

The remainder of Tesla's papers are still classified---literally tons of notes, documents, drawings, and plans. The government distributed false rumors that "Tesla never kept notes", which was a blatant lie. The notes on his Colorado Springs experiments alone (1899-1900) were enough for a large-format book of 433 pages. Considering the fact that Tesla continued to do some mysterious research at the Colorado Springs laboratory for a number of years---from which we have no notes---there is ample cause for suspicion. It is known from Tesla's own word's that these additional experiments at Colorado Springs were much more far-reaching.

http://peswiki.com/i...ry:Nikola_Tesla

Dynamic Theory of Gravity

Tesla's work on flying craft is perhaps the least well known, and perhaps the most revolutionary in how it would change the way we live if it were implemented today. As of this date, Tesla's work in this area is still classified by the U.S. Government.

■http://www.netowne.c...logy/important/
■Wikipedia:Dynamic_theory_of_gravity

There are several references to an "ideal flying machine" Tesla wanted to develop (see). It had no "sustaining planes, wings, propeller nor gas bag". Tired of all the recurring hostilities and hoping that with such a machine these wars could be finally ended, Tesla proposed his ideal flying machine for a patent at the Swiss patent office. Prior to this, he had proposed his machine to the American government (as he always did with his inventions) but nobody there believed him. Even after his death his discovery remained unnoticed to the American government until reports started coming in about strange flying objects in the European skies. Nearly one year after his death, all his notes and dossiers (truckloads) were hastily transferred from the Office of Alien property warehouse where they were stored at his death to a secured place, and all of them were classified, and are still today.

http://www.deepblack...m_weapons_1.htm

Following Tesla’s death in 1943, the US government seized his papers and research notes, placing them under national security lock and key. An undoubted genius during his life, Tesla’s papers curiously remain highly classified today - 53 years later.

[Reno]

There is a request link to the 287 pages at this link http://foia.fbi.gov/...foiaindex_t.htm

Truthfully speaking, I don't think there is anything he did that hasn't been explored and explained. From what I remember reading about tesla, he sent big static discharges across the countryside with his towers and really pissed of his neighbors and the surrounding towns. It doesn't surprise me that the government would classify a chunk of his work to keep other idiots from doing the same thing. At the time I think there was little interest in following his work. His competitors in big industry probably saw an opportunity to buy a some congressmen and have his research buried. That doesn't mean that his results were exceptionally unique.

Edited by Reno, 13 July 2010 - 05:19 PM.

[bobdrake12]

There is a request link to the 287 pages at this link http://foia.fbi.gov/...foiaindex_t.htm

Truthfully speaking, I don't think there is anything he did that hasn't been explored and explained. From what I remember reading about tesla, he sent big static discharges across the countryside with his towers and really pissed of his neighbors and the surrounding towns. It doesn't surprise me that the government would classify a chunk of his work to keep other idiots from doing the same thing. At the time I think there was little interest in following his work. His competitors in big industry probably saw an opportunity to buy a some congressmen and have his research buried. That doesn't mean that his results were exceptionally unique.

Thanks for the feedback, Reno.

When an engineer (Otis Pond) once said to Tesla, "Looks as if Marconi got the jump on you" regarding Marconi's radio system, Tesla replied, "Marconi is a good fellow. Let him continue. He is using seventeen of my patents."

There is no question that Tesla came across as a mad scientist to some. Some have even theorized a Tunguska Explosion - Tesla connection.

But Tesla has been given credit for inventing fluorescent lighting, the Tesla induction motor, the Tesla coil, and developed the alternating current (AC) electrical supply system that included a motor and transformer, and 3-phase electricity. In addition, Tesla is now credited with inventing modern radio as well.

[Luna]

I'm a geek, I truly believe that I am.. But I am completely lost with this thread (:

[Reno]

"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cheshire Cat:
"we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."

I don't think anyone understands what goes on around here.

[bobdrake12]

I'm a geek, I truly believe that I am.. But I am completely lost with this thread (:

We need to think outside the box when it comes to new energy sources.

For example, how about using wind energy?





Source

Wind Energy: Back to the Future (excerpts)

Global warming concerns have launched a renewable electricity-generation boom with sleek wind-turbine farms on land and at sea playing a leading role. Yet capturing wind energy using windmills is an ancient science that pre-dates the use of electricity. The invention of the windmill is variously attributed to the Babylonians (circa 1700BC) and the Persians (circa 600-900AD); either way it is still an ancient machine.

Prior to the Industrial Revolution (circa 1760-1830) windmills were a primary power source for a host of activities that supported vital food production. They drove pumps to extract water from wells for drinking and irrigating arid lands to make them fertile. They also provided the motive force to grind cereals such as wheat to form flour for bread. From the 12th century onwards in North Western Europe windmill design converged on the familiar multi-blade (usually 4) rotor mounted on a horizontal axis, rotating turret, and tapered tower body. Their utility was extended to drive sawmills and threshers. Windmills and waterwheels were the undisputed kings of power generation. Their virtue of generating no greenhouse gases that cause global warming was of no concern to anyone, but change was in the air.

The Industrial Revolution triggered our dependence on greenhouse gas emitting fossil fuels, starting with coal to power steam engines and extending to oil to power internal combustion engines. Thus began the demise of the renewable power derived from windmills and waterwheels. The intermittent power provided by windmills was a nuisance that the 'always on' steam engine didn't suffer from. So wind power lost its hold on power generation, with steam engines replacing sails on boats and pumps on land. Ultimately the steam engine too would fall from favor, replaced by the internal combustion engine, steam turbine and gas turbine. The distribution of power using electricity solidified coal as a primary fuel for electricity generation. Thus fossil fueled power generation became, and still is, king, only briefly interrupted by the young pretender – nuclear fission power generation.

[valkyrie_ice]

thought you might find this interesting Bobdrake

http://www.nytimes.c...gewanted=2&_r=2

[bobdrake12]

thought you might find this interesting Bobdrake

http://www.nytimes.c...gewanted=2&_r=2

Thanks, valkyrie_ice!

Gravity is reportedly one the four fundamental forces of physics.

The more we understand these fundamental forces, the more options we have in developing other energy sources.

Gravity can be conceptulized in terms of space-time as shown in the videos below:


Gravity in terms of space-time

Cool vid exploring how gravity works in terms of the 4th dimension: space-time fabric of space. Enjoy

The Elegant Universe - Einstein's Relativity

Einstein's General Theory of Relativity explained.

[Luna]

thought you might find this interesting Bobdrake

http://www.nytimes.c...gewanted=2&_r=2

Oh! I saw that on Shannon's wall.

I must say:

“We’ve known for a long time gravity doesn’t exist,” Dr. Verlinde said, “It’s time to yell it.”

Time too! (doesn't exist) YELL IT! :P (Not that it is completely a good thing :/)

[bobdrake12]

thought you might find this interesting Bobdrake

http://www.nytimes.c...gewanted=2&_r=2

Oh! I saw that on Shannon's wall.

I must say:

“We’ve known for a long time gravity doesn’t exist,” Dr. Verlinde said, “It’s time to yell it.”

Time too! (doesn't exist) YELL IT! :P (Not that it is completely a good thing :/)

Time doesn't exist? Tell that to your boss the next time your late to work.

In physics, spacetime (or space–time; or space/time) is any mathematical model that combines space and time into a single spacetime continuum. Spacetime is usually interpreted with space being three-dimensional and time playing the role of a fourth dimension that is of a different sort from the spatial dimensions. The two videos posted directly above discuss this concept while adding gravity to spacetime.

If we agree with the model, gravity does not exist by itself, nor does time. They all interrelate as space-time-gravity if the mathematical model is correct, which I sense it is.

The Gravity Probe B was "intended to measure how space and time are 'warped' by the presence of the Earth, and by how much the Earth's rotation 'drags' space-time around with it. This is the so-called frame-dragging effect, an example of gravitomagnetism. It is an analog of magnetism in classical electrodynamics, but caused by rotating masses rather than rotating electric charges."

http://en.wikipedia....Gravity_Probe_B


A representation of the geodetic effect.

Gravity Probe B was a relativity gyroscope experiment funded by NASA. Efforts were led by Stanford University physics department with Lockheed Martin as the primary subcontractor. Mission scientists view it as the second gravity experiment in space, following the successful launch of Gravity Probe A (GP-A) in 1976.


A representation of the geodetic effect.Some preliminary results were presented at a special session during the American Physical Society meeting, 14–17 April 2007. NASA initially requested a proposal for extending the GP-B data analysis phase through December 2007. The data analysis phase was further extended to September 2008, and possibly later, when definitive science results on the frame-dragging effect are expected. The mission plans were to test two unverified predictions of general relativity: frame-dragging and the geodetic effect.

The experiment planned to check, very precisely, tiny changes in the direction of spin of four gyroscopes contained in an Earth satellite orbiting at 650 km (400 mi) altitude, crossing directly over the poles. The gyroscopes were so free from disturbance that they provided a near-perfect space-time reference system. They were intended to measure how space and time are "warped" by the presence of the Earth, and by how much the Earth's rotation "drags" space-time around with it. This is the so-called frame-dragging effect, an example of gravitomagnetism. It is an analog of magnetism in classical electrodynamics, but caused by rotating masses rather than rotating electric charges.

Previously, only two analyses of the laser-ranging data obtained by the two LAGEOS satellites, published in 1997 and 2004, claimed to have found the frame-dragging effect with an accuracy of about 20% and 10% respectively,[6][7][8] whereas Gravity Probe B aims to measure the effect to a precision of 1%. However, subsequent analysis showed that the level of total uncertainty of the tests conducted with the two LAGEOS satellites has likely been greatly underestimated.[9][10][11][12][13][14] A recent analysis of Mars Global Surveyor data has claimed to have confirmed the effect to a precision of 0.5%,[15] although the accuracy of this claim is disputed.[16][17] Also the Lense–Thirring effect of the Sun has been recently investigated in view of a possible detection with the inner planets in the near future.[18][19]

The probe has also detected the so-called geodetic effect, a much larger effect caused by space-time being 'curved' by the mass of the Earth. A gyroscope's axis when parallel transported around the Earth in one complete revolution does not end up pointing in exactly the same direction as before. The angle 'missing' may be thought of as the amount the gyroscope 'leans over' into the slope of the space-time curvature. A more precise explanation for the space curvature part of the geodetic precession is obtained by using a nearly flat cone to model the space curvature of the Earth's gravitational field. Such a cone is made by cutting out a thin 'pie-slice' from a circle and gluing the cut edges together. The spatial geodetic precession is a measure of the missing 'pie-slice' angle. Gravity Probe B should measure this effect to an accuracy of one part in 10,000, the most stringent check on general relativistic predictions to date.

The launch was planned for 19 April 2004 at Vandenberg Air Force Base but was scrubbed within 5 minutes of the scheduled launch window due to changing winds in the upper atmosphere. An unusual feature of the mission is that it only had a one-second launch window due to the precise orbit required by the experiment. On 20 April, at 9:57:23 AM PDT (16:57:23 UTC) the spacecraft was launched successfully. The satellite was placed in orbit at 11:12:33 AM (18:12:33 UTC) after a cruise period over the south pole and a short second burn. The mission lasted 16 months.

Edited by bobdrake12, 17 July 2010 - 05:51 AM.

[bobdrake12]

New Discovery about the Fabric of Space-Time

Scientists have turned up rare evidence that space-time is smooth as Einstein predicted, while pushing closer to a complete theory of gravity. From NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Fermi Gamma Ray Space Telescope.