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#1 imminstBob

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Posted 08 July 2010 - 08:13 PM


In his book, Ending Aging, Aubrey stated that he came up with the idea of SENS in 1999/2000. Well, now one decade later stem cells have made big progress, that's good news. I hear the amyloid vaccines are also making progress. So, 2 of the SENS identified problem areas are moving along. Now, how much scientific progress has been made by SENS in each of the remaining 5 identified problem areas in the last decade? I imagine the progress there is nothing compared to what stem cells are doing.

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Posted 09 July 2010 - 07:33 AM

In his book, Ending Aging, Aubrey stated that he came up with the idea of SENS in 1999/2000. Well, now one decade later stem cells have made big progress, that's good news. I hear the amyloid vaccines are also making progress. So, 2 of the SENS identified problem areas are moving along. Now, how much scientific progress has been made by SENS in each of the remaining 5 identified problem areas in the last decade? I imagine the progress there is nothing compared to what stem cells are doing.


Considering their budget, I think they have done quite well. As you pointed out, SENS is not the only company working on SENS. There are also some very promising biotechs such as Histogen which are working on rejuvenation therapies. Once we have some real anti-aging solutions, which I think will be cosmetic and really make people see that aging is not necessary, then we'll get bucket-loads of progress. This has been said before by others, but I actually think cosmetic enhancements will make the mainstream most interested in anti-aging therapies. Because most people have convinced themselves / accepted / been programmed to think that aging is natural and therefore, somehow good in a mother-nature-goodness sort of way. Women don't walk up to the cosmetics counter in a fine clothing store and ask, "Can you make me feel younger?" they ask "Can you make me LOOK younger." People (myself included frankly) are so concerned about their appearances that if they can overcome some major obstacle that they have been struggling with their entire lives and already somewhat somewhat accepted, that will change their entire paradigm and cause them to question the necessity of other medical-related conditions. Think about a woman who has been morbidly-obese all her life or a guy who went bald when he turned 18. 20 years later if all of a sudden that burden was lifted, holy cow, they would be so thankful and it would completely change their perspective on life. They would immediately question the other limitations they have endured. So generally, the mainstream may not have reasons to live forever, but they definitely would appreciate living better. And better is a pathway to best. Slower than I would like, we are starting to see this happen over the past 10 years, but more in the past few years.

I think most of the SENS strategies will occur with or without SENS. The hope is that SENS can bring indefinite lifespan mainstream as soon as possible to alleviate unnecessary suffering and save lives.

Edited by Ghostrider, 09 July 2010 - 07:45 AM.


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Posted 09 July 2010 - 05:28 PM

In his book, Ending Aging, Aubrey stated that he came up with the idea of SENS in 1999/2000. Well, now one decade later stem cells have made big progress, that's good news. I hear the amyloid vaccines are also making progress. So, 2 of the SENS identified problem areas are moving along. Now, how much scientific progress has been made by SENS in each of the remaining 5 identified problem areas in the last decade? I imagine the progress there is nothing compared to what stem cells are doing.


Considering their budget, I think they have done quite well. As you pointed out, SENS is not the only company working on SENS. There are also some very promising biotechs such as Histogen which are working on rejuvenation therapies. Once we have some real anti-aging solutions, which I think will be cosmetic and really make people see that aging is not necessary, then we'll get bucket-loads of progress. This has been said before by others, but I actually think cosmetic enhancements will make the mainstream most interested in anti-aging therapies. Because most people have convinced themselves / accepted / been programmed to think that aging is natural and therefore, somehow good in a mother-nature-goodness sort of way. Women don't walk up to the cosmetics counter in a fine clothing store and ask, "Can you make me feel younger?" they ask "Can you make me LOOK younger." People (myself included frankly) are so concerned about their appearances that if they can overcome some major obstacle that they have been struggling with their entire lives and already somewhat somewhat accepted, that will change their entire paradigm and cause them to question the necessity of other medical-related conditions. Think about a woman who has been morbidly-obese all her life or a guy who went bald when he turned 18. 20 years later if all of a sudden that burden was lifted, holy cow, they would be so thankful and it would completely change their perspective on life. They would immediately question the other limitations they have endured. So generally, the mainstream may not have reasons to live forever, but they definitely would appreciate living better. And better is a pathway to best. Slower than I would like, we are starting to see this happen over the past 10 years, but more in the past few years.

I think most of the SENS strategies will occur with or without SENS. The hope is that SENS can bring indefinite lifespan mainstream as soon as possible to alleviate unnecessary suffering and save lives.


How far away are we from seeing a mouse that gets to have its max lifespan extended because of therapies developed by SENS? It's really nice that SENS is making progress, but some solid scientific evidence to show that the other 5 SENS problem areas (except stem cells and amyloids, because they are already mainstream bio-medical research topics) are really worthy efforts would be nice. What specific scientific problems remain before the SENS guys can publish the mighty-mouse in Nature and Aubrey's critics can eat their shorts? In these 10 years, what is the convincing scientific breakthrough that SENS has made? What new and major thing can we tell people about SENS' chances of being right that we couldn't tell people in 2000?

Also, I really hope Aubrey has an update soon about how much specific progress has been since his book came out in 2007. I have the hardcover version and I'm trying to find the old afterword that came with the paperback. An update that is freely available on the internet would be nice.

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Posted 10 July 2010 - 01:50 AM

Also, I really hope Aubrey has an update soon about how much specific progress has been since his book came out in 2007. I have the hardcover version and I'm trying to find the old afterword that came with the paperback. An update that is freely available on the internet would be nice.


SENS Foundation publishes updates on its website: http://sens.org/news

If you have questions, you can ask here: http://sens.org/forum

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Posted 10 July 2010 - 06:00 PM

Also, I really hope Aubrey has an update soon about how much specific progress has been since his book came out in 2007. I have the hardcover version and I'm trying to find the old afterword that came with the paperback. An update that is freely available on the internet would be nice.


SENS Foundation publishes updates on its website: http://sens.org/news

If you have questions, you can ask here: http://sens.org/forum


And as I said before, SENS is not the only one working on SENS:



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Posted 11 July 2010 - 04:16 AM

The research discussed in the video above is not SENS.

http://www.sens.org/...ch/what-is-sens

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 04:25 AM

The research discussed in the video above is not SENS.

http://www.sens.org/...ch/what-is-sens


Yes, you're right. David mentioned Aubrey's name a few times so I thought it was related to one of the 7 SENS targets, but it's actually not. In any case, if it helps me live longer, I'll take it!

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Posted 12 July 2010 - 04:20 PM

It's ironic that David Sinclair brings up Aubrey's name so often in that lecture, given the fact that Aubrey's method of solving aging has nothing to do with activating or inhibiting nuclear genes (well, except for oncoSENS). If David is correct, and resveratrol-like compounds reverse aging by activating/inhibiting nuclear genes, then I would think Aubrey has to reconsider his position that nuclear DNA modification doesn't matter (except for cancer). Which could make fixing aging that much harder with the introduction of nuclear DNA modification as an EIGHTH problem to solve, a very hard problem at that. So, part of me is hoping that David Sinclair's method doesn't work out. This can't possibly be good news. Is there something I'm missing with my logic?

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Posted 12 July 2010 - 04:45 PM

No, it's quite okay to want people like Sinclair to succeed. It buys us time. If the compound is cheap enough, it buys us extra wealth, too. As well, it helps crack the 'deathist paradigm'.

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Posted 12 July 2010 - 05:49 PM

Yes, those are all definite advantages for the pro-life camp. Yet, I can't help but think the dire possiblity that Aubrey's "nuclear DNA doesn't matter in aging" principle is shown to be wrong by Sinclaire's research. Then we could be looking at an EIGHTH SENS problem -- a problem that is very likely so hard that it is NET worse than the benefits afforded by Sinclair's successes.

Edited by imminstBob, 12 July 2010 - 05:57 PM.


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Posted 12 July 2010 - 05:56 PM

Another point: if I remember correctly, Aubrey says that practicing calorie restriction will not increase human lifespans by much, if any. And yet, here is Sinclair showing how similar the effects of this resveratrol-like compound are to the effects of calorie restriction. So if this resveratrol-like compound works out in really increasing human lifespans, as Sinclair is claiming, then Aubrey will have a bit of a conundrum, to say the least, in his hands to explain, will he not?

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Posted 12 July 2010 - 06:30 PM

So if this resveratrol-like compound works out in really increasing human lifespans, as Sinclair is claiming, then Aubrey will have a bit of a conundrum, to say the least, in his hands to explain, will he not?


Only if SENS or something else works out also, because otherwise he won't be around in the 6 or 7 decades it will take to do lifespan studies in humans with this these sirtuins (or CR).

Edited by eternaltraveler, 12 July 2010 - 06:31 PM.


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Posted 12 July 2010 - 09:04 PM

Also, I really hope Aubrey has an update soon about how much specific progress has been since his book came out in 2007. I have the hardcover version and I'm trying to find the old afterword that came with the paperback. An update that is freely available on the internet would be nice.


SENS Foundation publishes updates on its website: http://sens.org/news

If you have questions, you can ask here: http://sens.org/forum

the news section of SENS is actually quite engaging:



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Posted 12 July 2010 - 10:24 PM

So if this resveratrol-like compound works out in really increasing human lifespans, as Sinclair is claiming, then Aubrey will have a bit of a conundrum, to say the least, in his hands to explain, will he not?


Only if SENS or something else works out also, because otherwise he won't be around in the 6 or 7 decades it will take to do lifespan studies in humans with this these sirtuins (or CR).


6 or 7 decades?? Is there some reason why they can't give people who are in their middle/old age some sirtuin activators and see if they experience an aging-reversal effect/longer lifespan than the control?

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Posted 12 July 2010 - 10:53 PM

yes, probably only a few decades... my bad


other than wishful thinking is there any reason to expect resveratrol or other sirtuins would extend lifespan in humans when resveratrol hasn't in other mammals?

http://www.nia.nih.g...resveratrol.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/18599363

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Posted 13 July 2010 - 04:17 AM

It's ironic that David Sinclair brings up Aubrey's name so often in that lecture, given the fact that Aubrey's method of solving aging has nothing to do with activating or inhibiting nuclear genes (well, except for oncoSENS). If David is correct, and resveratrol-like compounds reverse aging by activating/inhibiting nuclear genes, then I would think Aubrey has to reconsider his position that nuclear DNA modification doesn't matter (except for cancer). Which could make fixing aging that much harder with the introduction of nuclear DNA modification as an EIGHTH problem to solve, a very hard problem at that. So, part of me is hoping that David Sinclair's method doesn't work out. This can't possibly be good news. Is there something I'm missing with my logic?

Sinclair and Aubrey can both be correct without any problem. If a small molecule like resveratrol acts on nuclear genes, it is just binding to an effector without actually modifying the DNA. I think Aubrey is talking about mutation or other damage to nuclear DNA.

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Posted 14 July 2010 - 02:49 AM

other than wishful thinking is there any reason to expect resveratrol or other sirtuins would extend lifespan in humans when resveratrol hasn't in other mammals?

http://www.nia.nih.g...resveratrol.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/18599363


Sinclair appears to be very excited about the prospects of moderate life extension in that lecture, I mean really excited. But I don't have any research to back his celebratory tone, unfortunately.

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Posted 14 July 2010 - 03:07 AM

Sinclair and Aubrey can both be correct without any problem. If a small molecule like resveratrol acts on nuclear genes, it is just binding to an effector without actually modifying the DNA. I think Aubrey is talking about mutation or other damage to nuclear DNA.


According to Aubrey, isn't changing gene expression a _response_ by our cells to aging, and not a cause of aging in normal human lifetime? So if this molecule really does successfully cause aging to be slowed down by modifying gene expression, then isn't that a strong signal that genetic and/or epigenetic (I'm using the term loosely) changes are in fact causing aging.. and therefore, shooting down the idea that there are only 7 problems to focus on?

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Posted 14 July 2010 - 03:35 AM

Sinclair and Aubrey can both be correct without any problem. If a small molecule like resveratrol acts on nuclear genes, it is just binding to an effector without actually modifying the DNA. I think Aubrey is talking about mutation or other damage to nuclear DNA.

According to Aubrey, isn't changing gene expression a _response_ by our cells to aging, and not a cause of aging in normal human lifetime? So if this molecule really does successfully cause aging to be slowed down by modifying gene expression, then isn't that a strong signal that genetic and/or epigenetic (I'm using the term loosely) changes are in fact causing aging.. and therefore, shooting down the idea that there are only 7 problems to focus on?

Gene expression changes might be one response to cellular aging, or they might be a response to an external agent like a corticosteroid or even resveratrol. That doesn't mean that genetic changes are a major cause of aging.

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Posted 22 September 2010 - 07:48 PM

In his book, Ending Aging, Aubrey stated that he came up with the idea of SENS in 1999/2000. Well, now one decade later stem cells have made big progress, that's good news. I hear the amyloid vaccines are also making progress. So, 2 of the SENS identified problem areas are moving along. Now, how much scientific progress has been made by SENS in each of the remaining 5 identified problem areas in the last decade? I imagine the progress there is nothing compared to what stem cells are doing.

Certainly, there is no SENS strand with a comparable rate of progress as stem cells and tissue engineering, for the simple reason that these receive enormous amounts of government support and substantial industry investment. SENS Foundation's role is precisely to catalyze research in neglected areas, directly through the funding of research on a critical-path basis, and indirectly through the spur that the results of such research may play in drawing others to pursue such research using external funding sources.

As to your question: in addition to the Afterword to the paperback of Ending Aging, and the Foundation blog posts already liked by AgeVivo, here is an update on this subject I wrote in 2009 (apologies for broken links):

Let's start by remembering that the Methuselah Foundation didn't even exist until 2004, and having started with the MPrize (which by definition requires a large pool of raised funds before it becomes an effective incentive to spur research), the the generosity of our many donors' support (for which we should all be pathetically grateful -- I don't know if you intended it, but your tone came off as dismissive) gave the Foundation a sufficiently large and reliable funding base to start investing badly-needed funds directly into bottlenecks in key SENS biotechnologies just two years later, leveraging our relationships with leading scientists and their academic labs, and the passion and volunteer spirit of many graduate students now going into SENS research to get big results from precious, scarce funding. [And only with the more recent launch of SENS Foundation is there an organization whose undivided mission is the direct sponsorship of such research, rather than the divided priorities between direct research investments in SENS science vs. open-ended research prizes open to "gerontological" interventions as well as SENS-type rejuvenation biotechnology per se -MR, 2010/09]

Results in those mere two years:

LysoSENS
We are funding research in 3 labs (at Arizona State, Rice University, and Columbia), working on identification, characterization, and eventual animal and clinical testing of enzymes to degrade specific aggregates whose accumulation is central to atherosclerosis and age-related macular degeneration. Results to date: John Schloendorn, Kent Kemmish, and Jacques Mathieu (and their graduate advisors) have found (but not in all cases precisely identified -- ie, in a couple of cases, they've got the enzyme but can only say what it does, not what exactly it is or what its encoding gene is) microbial hydrolases that can degrade A2E (the stuff that accumulates in retinal pigmented epithelial cells, causes Stargardt’s disease, an inherited form of macular degeneration, and is believed to be the cause of most forms of the age-related variety) and 7-ketocholesterol ( arguably the most important such recalcitrant material in foam cells in atherosclerosis). Some, but not all, of this has been reported in the literature (1,2) ; more has been presented at scientific conferences, including the recent "Understanding Aging: Biomedical and Bioengineering Approaches", hosted at UCLA by (wait for it) the Methuselah Foundation:

Cleaning Out the Junk with Medical Bioremediation
B.E. Rittmann, K. Kemmish, J. Schloendorn, L. Jiang
Center for Environmental Biotechnology, Biodesign Institute, Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ

... As a first step towards testing medical bioremediation, we isolated a range of bacterial species capable of degrading the pro-atherosclerotic model compound 7-ketocholesterol (7KC) and other pathogenic cholesterol derivatives found to accumulate in human atherosclerotic tissue. The fastest-degrading isolates were strains of Nocardia, and we identified key degradation intermediates for one Nocardia strain and proposed a 7KC-degradation pathway that is different from its cholesterol-degradation pathway. This raises the possibility that oxysterol-specific catabolic enzymes may be used for the selective elimination of pathogenic oxysterols from our arteries.

A2E, which accumulates in age-related macular degeneration, is a retinoid compound with strong a visual absorption spectrum. We failed to culture microbes on A2E for over two years. This led us to test the idea that some organisms may have enzymes to degrade A2E without necessarily being able to grow on it as the only carbon and energy source. Thus, we changed our strategy to testing microbial enzymes directly, without requiring growth on A2E as the only carbon and energy source. With our new strategy, we identified two enzymes able to degrade A2E: a peroxidase from horseradish and a cyanobacterial carotenoid cleavage dioxygenase.


Most recently, in as-yet-unpublished work, Dr. Janet Sparrow of Columbia University’s Department of Ophthalmology, who is one of the most distinguished scientists working in this very area, has repeated and confirmed the ASU group’s results on A2E, and is now being funded by the Foundation to lend her expertise to the further characterization and development of the candidate enzymes. After identifying the products of A2E degradation by the enzymes, her lab will perform preliminary safety and efficacy screens by delivering them into A2E-loaded retinal pigment epithelial cells; if the cell culture results are promising, the Foundation will fund the testing of any viable-looking enzymes in vivo, in a mouse model of Stargardt’s.

MitoSENS
After investing MF funds to revive a dorman research program into allotopic expression in Ian Holt's lab at Cambridge,(3) we developed the earlier work extensively enough work to convince ourselves that the initial strategy they had used was going to be extremely challenging (you can hear about some of the progress and problems encountered on the video presentation from the third SENS scientific conference). Happily, at about the same time, Aubrey became aware of early, promising-looking work on a new allotopic expression technique, targeting the allotopically-expressed mRNA to the mitochondrial outer membrane -- work that was also featured, along with several other approaches, at SENS3,(5) by which point it had made even further progress. The results were sufficiently robust that the Foundation redirected its funding to Dr. Corral-Debrinski's newly-opened lab at the Fondation Voir et Entendre in Paris, where (as attendees of "Understanding Aging" were again the first to hear) she has made a huge leap forward with Foundation support:

Optimized Allotopic Expression of the Human Mitochondrial ND4 Prevents Blindness in a Rat Model of Mitochondrial Dysfunction

Mitochondrial diseases due to mutations in mitochondrial DNA can no longer be ignored in most medical areas. With prevalence certainly higher than one in 6000, they probably represent the most common form of metabolic disorders. Despite progress in identification of their molecular mechanisms, little has been done with regard to therapy. We have recently optimized the allotopic expression for the mitochondrial genes ATP6, ND1, and ND4 and obtained a complete and long-lasting rescue of mitochondrial dysfunction in the human fibroblasts in which these genes were mutated. ... To create an animal model of Leber Hereditary Optic Neuropathy (LHON), we introduced the human ND4 gene harboring the G11778A mutation, responsible of 60% of LHON cases, to rat eyes by in vivo electroporation. The treatment induced the degeneration of retinal ganglion cells (RGCs), which were 40% less abundant in treated eyes than in control eyes. ... Importantly, RGC loss was clearly associated with a decline in visual performance. A subsequent electroporation with wild-type ND4 prevented both RGC loss and the impairment of visual function. Hence, these data provide the proof-of-principle that optimized allotopic expression can be an effective treatment for LHON, and they open the way to clinical studies on other devastating mitochondrial disorders.(6)


You can now watch Dr. Corral-Debrinski's original "Understanding Aging" presentation online.

Of course, there's also work that is still ongoing, because it just takes more than a year or 2 to complete, and still other work that, while the protocols have been established and the researchers brought on board, is unfortunately currently delayed, because the global economic downturn has hit Foundation supporters large and small and forced a downward revision of the Foundation's research budget projections. Notable projects discussed in a recent SENS progress report include:

- a project to test the widely-held (but very probably mistaken (7)) belief that low-level, non-cancerous, non-apoptosis and -senescence-inducing age-related (epi)mutations affect enough cells to meaningfully impair tissue function; a definitive resolution to this question will be central to knowing whether WILT will provide sufficient obviation of nuclear (epi)mutations that, in combination with other SENS biotech, it will allow us to achieve "escape velocity." This work is under way the lab of Dr. Jan Vijg, Chair of the Department of Genetics at Albert Einstein College of Medicine, arguably the lead researcher into age-related nuclear mutations and a proponent of the "general cellular malaise" hypothesis.

-a project to ablate anergic T-cells from aging mice, in expectation of substantially reversing immune senescence, in the lab of Dr. Janko Nikolich-Zugich, head of the Department of Immunobiology and co-director of the Arizona Center on Aging at ASU;

-a project to replace the bone marrow of normal mice with telomerase-deficient stem cells, as a key proof-of-concept of WILT and a test for possibly deal-breaking non-telomere-maintenance functions of the telomerase enzyme, in the lab of Dr. K. Lenhard Rudolph at Medical School Hannover in
Germany, whose extensive experience with telomerase-deficient mice and existing research into possible alternative functions of telomerase make him the best choice for principal investigator (as well as having a strong existing interest in this very question).

And, there's the Foundation's hosting of several highly successful, intellectually thrilling interdisciplinary scientific conferences on the key biotechnologies of SENS, which have helped get researchers working quietly locked in their silos to see the broader picture in which their work is embedded and raised the profile of biomedical gerontology both within the scientific community and without; we've raised awareness and excitement about the real potential to achieve the indefinite control of biological aging through the MPrize and Dr. de Grey's tireless efforts to promote serious biomedical gerontology in scientific, public policy, and public arenas; we've helped to nurture a new generation of prolongevist "Young Turks" within the biogerontology establishment, helping life sciences students with a dream of contributing to the cure of the Grey Plague to get a foothold in SENS science by guiding them into relevant postgraduate work (including in many cases positions within Foundation-supported labs) and by providing tools for independent projects for undergraduate students through the MF Undergraduate Research Initiative ...

Dude, what do you want? ;) Oh, wait, I know: a cure for aging! Point being, the Foundation is working assiduously on it, and making substantial progress, especially in key 'bottlenecks' in the progress of the overall SENS platform. I'm sorry if this hasn't been announced clearly or widely enough, and hope that we internally -- and the community more broadly -- will be more effective in communicating our progress in future.

-Michael

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2. Engineering away lysosomal junk: medical bioremediation.
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4. Holt IJ, Bokori-Brown M, Hamalainen M.
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5. Ellouze S, Bonnet C, Augustin S, Kaltimbacher V, Forster V, Simonutti M, Sahel JA, Corral-Debrinski M.
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6. Ellouze S, Augustin S, Bouaita A, Bonnet C, Simonutti M, Forster V, Picaud S, Sahel JA, Corral-Debrinski M.
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Sinclair and Aubrey can both be correct without any problem. If a small molecule like resveratrol acts on nuclear genes, it is just binding to an effector without actually modifying the DNA. I think Aubrey is talking about mutation or other damage to nuclear DNA.


According to Aubrey, isn't changing gene expression a _response_ by our cells to aging, and not a cause of aging in normal human lifetime? So if this molecule really does successfully cause aging to be slowed down by modifying gene expression, then isn't that a strong signal that genetic and/or epigenetic (I'm using the term loosely) changes are in fact causing aging.. and therefore, shooting down the idea that there are only 7 problems to focus on?

No. First, of course, we already know that it is possible to slow down aging by modifying gene expression: this is what all the "gerontological" interventions -- mutations in insulin/IGF-1 signaling components, Calorie restriction, etc -- do. The point is that these genes' default expression are not causes of aging: aging is caused by the accumulation of cellular and molecular damage to the integrity of the body. Rather, these genes regulate the rate at which such damage occurs, either by slowing down its production (by lowering the production of mtROS, or slowing down mitosis and ensuing mutation accumulation, or lowering blood sugar and thus glycation, etc) or by increasing its removal (by upregulating autophagy, increasing the activity of DNA repair genes, producing a lower basal inflammatory tone, etc). Changes in the expression of these genes can thus affect the rate of aging, without being themselves causes of aging.

The limitations of attempting to retard the rate of aging are laid down briefly here, in more detail in Ending Aging, and in my new book chapter in The Future of Aging (*ker-PLUG*), with emphasis on the specific challenge to actual testing of such therapies. This also highlights the importance of not getting distracted by such interventions, even if (unlike resveratrol) they actually work.

-Michael




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