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[Animal]

Hey, I'm just wondering anyone has any experience with the product mentioned in the title http://www.iherb.com...blets/1605?at=0 as I've been taking it for a few days and it has been extremely effective at combating my chronic fatigue syndrome.

Basically what I'm wondering is if this effectiveness lasts, and if I need to cycle it.

Thanks for any replies!

[Thorsten3]

Hey, I'm just wondering anyone has any experience with the product mentioned in the title http://www.iherb.com...blets/1605?at=0 as I've been taking it for a few days and it has been extremely effective at combating my chronic fatigue syndrome.

Basically what I'm wondering is if this effectiveness lasts, and if I need to cycle it.

Thanks for any replies!

Cool that looks like it has lots of exotic fruity stuff in it! I especially like the dogwood extract that sounds quality...But it's working for ya? Might have to give it a try. I'm going to sample some of these ginseng supplements I read so much about too this month. Basically I'm looking for something that kicks my energy levels back up after the early afternoon crash that I normally get.

[PerfectSeek]

As a fellow CFS/ME sufferer, I'll be more convinced if it lasts!

Several supplements have shown short-term benefit for me, but almost none long-term. I do remember liking adapt 232 very much, which contained rhodiola, eleuthero, and schisandra. Too bad we can't get it in the states anymore.

I'll be following this thread so please update if you continue to feel well.

Edited by PerfectSeek, 25 July 2010 - 04:44 PM.

[outsider]

I didn't really expect that from you

Well looks like you are taking a potent supp. It's a classical formula so it is designed to circulate energy efficiently.

Fast results are always a bit dubious but one thing is for sure you will certainly benefit from it. I believe if you cycle this formula you will only lose its effect.

Edited by outsider, 28 July 2010 - 11:00 AM.

[kenj]

Does that mean there's a legit alternative to adderall, caffeine gum, and black coffee? Nice.
Joking apart, it's interesting to hear this one can help you. Would be interesting to hear if the effects last.

[Animal]

Well it's still effective at the moment, this is after a week of daily dosing, if anything is has become more effective with time. Note that it doesn't give me energy exactly, it just gives me more stamina, both when performing physical activities and just in general. I typically begin to feel extremely tired after being awake for only 8 hours, unless I take more modafinil which I try and minimise the use of. After taking this formula for a couple of days I noticed that I didn't feel anywhere near as tired upon reaching the usual 8 hour limit, and in fact I happily stay active for more then 12 hours a day now. I know this doesn't sound like much to you healthy people, but it's a big improvement for me.

[PerfectSeek]

Great to hear Animal... if you have success for another week I'll purchase some as well

[Yearningforyears]

I have tried eleuthero and schisandra pills. Huge energy- / mood boost every time. (a couple of days to kick in) Unfortunately it tends to destabilize my sleep patterns and then irritability and agitation follows.
It´s a kind of ego heightened mood boost. Probably not the right thing for me, but I´ll probably try it sometime again just for fun...

[Soma]

Its rather standard to cycle herbs. A good rule of thumb is 5 days on, 2 days off.

[pycnogenol]

Its rather standard to cycle herbs. A good rule of thumb is 5 days on, 2 days off.

Excellent advice. I myself do that. I have an unopened bottle of Schisandra (see link) that I probably should get going on.

http://www.iherb.com...30-ml/8012?at=0

Edited by pycnogenol, 29 July 2010 - 10:30 PM.

[Animal]

I'll give an update on how I'm doing next week, it still seems to be getting more effective with time, so hopefully this is a trend that will continue. Reluctant to cycle it just yet when results are still improving. Maybe when it levels out I'll cycle it.

[outsider]

Herbs that work deep and are in the highest class like schizandra don't need to be cycled.

Edited by outsider, 30 July 2010 - 09:49 AM.

[Logan]

I'll give an update on how I'm doing next week, it still seems to be getting more effective with time, so hopefully this is a trend that will continue. Reluctant to cycle it just yet when results are still improving. Maybe when it levels out I'll cycle it.

Sounds promising. I wonder if the product you're taking is superior for some reason to other schizandra products. I would like to know what the reason is for adding each of the other ingredients in the formulation you are taking.

[Soma]

Herbs that work deep and are in the highest class like schizandra don't need to be cycled.

By "herbs that work deep and are in the highest class" are you referring to adaptogenic herbs? "Tonic" herbs?

[Logan]

It appears that schisandra may be hepatoprotective.

http://www.google.co...VjI0HDnzb88DIpw

http://www.google.co...ZbteDcuR2PRFhfA

I work at an organic market that sells tons of supplements including schisandra. After was I've read in this thread and finding out that schisandra may be good for the liver, I think I will be buying some tomorrow when i go into work.

[Logan]

Just got my hands on some schizandra today, we'll see how it goes.

Animal, are you still feeling the positive effects?

How much do you take and how many times a day?

[Logan]

Damn there are several interesting and promising studies on schisandra on pubmed. Too tired to link em. Bedtime.

[Logan]

Hmmm, should we be concerned at all that Schisandra may act somewhat as an AChE inhibitor?

http://www.google.co...ehOtgdnafmVy12g

I mean, AChE inhibitors are used to treat dementia and Alzheimer's, so it may not be such a bad thing, at least for hurting brains like mine.

I just remember reading about concerns over AChE inhibition and I can't remember why.

Otherwise, I've seen nothing but positive studies on Schisandra. O.k. now time for bed. Guess I wasn't feeling all that lazy. So here are some of those studies and articles.

http://www.google.co...J9v6EIFsUXCRyzw

http://www.google.co...lmrNVqZmTSaLsDQ

http://www.google.co...4ku3gETeYXYvTyg

http://www.google.co...KC6x874rA6ZSR3g

http://www.google.co...eKbtXEcwPouhKUw

http://www.google.co...m0yZFwN08EAM2hQ

http://www.google.co...DCUZ2mT3IOAkeZA

There's another study I read that concluded Schizandra my help prevent cartilage degeneration(if I read it correctly) but I can't find it now, getting tired.

Edited by morganator, 01 August 2010 - 07:41 AM.

[outsider]

Herbs that work deep and are in the highest class like schizandra don't need to be cycled.

By "herbs that work deep and are in the highest class" are you referring to adaptogenic herbs? "Tonic" herbs?

I don't know the traditional list of herbs in the "superior herbs" class but reishi, ginseng and schizandra are at the top.

Reishi is first and then ginseng.

[outsider]

I'll give an update on how I'm doing next week, it still seems to be getting more effective with time, so hopefully this is a trend that will continue. Reluctant to cycle it just yet when results are still improving. Maybe when it levels out I'll cycle it.

Sounds promising. I wonder if the product you're taking is superior for some reason to other schizandra products. I would like to know what the reason is for adding each of the other ingredients in the formulation you are taking.

Usually a traditional formulation is designed to magnify the main ingredient with herbs for better absorption, "carrier herbs", to drag it deeper in the tissues and other herbs to balance the energy and other similar herbs to schizandra might be added too exactly like we do with our own stack to get even better results.

My favorite formulation is chyawanprash which has 45 different herbs. Very effective for energy.

[Logan]

I'll give an update on how I'm doing next week, it still seems to be getting more effective with time, so hopefully this is a trend that will continue. Reluctant to cycle it just yet when results are still improving. Maybe when it levels out I'll cycle it.

Sounds promising. I wonder if the product you're taking is superior for some reason to other schizandra products. I would like to know what the reason is for adding each of the other ingredients in the formulation you are taking.

Usually a traditional formulation is designed to magnify the main ingredient with herbs for better absorption, "carrier herbs", to drag it deeper in the tissues and other herbs to balance the energy and other similar herbs to schizandra might be added too exactly like we do with our own stack to get even better results.

My favorite formulation is chyawanprash which has 45 different herbs. Very effective for energy.

Thanks I was thinking it was something like that.

I should try chyawanprash. I just order Triphala and hope it will help with digestive health.

[Logan]

Animal, how's it going on the Schisandra Adrenal Complex? I just bought some today. I had a bottle of Schisandra tincture by HerbPharm and took it one day then lost the damn bottle somehow. I think I noticed an enhanced sense of well being and more energy. I also think Schisandra may have eased my headache some.

[Animal]

Animal, how's it going on the Schisandra Adrenal Complex? I just bought some today. I had a bottle of Schisandra tincture by HerbPharm and took it one day then lost the damn bottle somehow. I think I noticed an enhanced sense of well being and more energy. I also think Schisandra may have eased my headache some.

Well now might not be the best time for me to be assessing it's efficacy. I got dumped by my girlfriend at the weekend, so I'm feeling like shit at the moment, which is definitely having a negative effect on my energy levels. Despite this I am still maintaining my gym attendance and am keeping myself active, and I have reduced my Modafinil intake from 600mg daily to only 200mg. It's likely that the Schisandra is at least partially responsible for this since it's the only thing I've added to my regime in a long time, so I can't see any other reason why I feel sustained energy with less Modafinil.

[Logan]

Animal, how's it going on the Schisandra Adrenal Complex? I just bought some today. I had a bottle of Schisandra tincture by HerbPharm and took it one day then lost the damn bottle somehow. I think I noticed an enhanced sense of well being and more energy. I also think Schisandra may have eased my headache some.

Well now might not be the best time for me to be assessing it's efficacy. I got dumped by my girlfriend at the weekend, so I'm feeling like shit at the moment, which is definitely having a negative effect on my energy levels. Despite this I am still maintaining my gym attendance and am keeping myself active, and I have reduced my Modafinil intake from 600mg daily to only 200mg. It's likely that the Schisandra is at least partially responsible for this since it's the only thing I've added to my regime in a long time, so I can't see any other reason why I feel sustained energy with less Modafinil.

Damn sorry to hear that man. That really sucks. Been there.

Thanks for getting back to me.

Edited by morganator, 05 August 2010 - 04:04 PM.

[caruga]

This is certainly of interest to me being a CFS sufferer myself. I'm interested to know what ingredient is playing the biggest role, since then I can just by that. It's one reason I don't like formulas, since if it does help you can't always trace what is making the contribution.

[Logan]

This is certainly of interest to me being a CFS sufferer myself. I'm interested to know what ingredient is playing the biggest role, since then I can just by that. It's one reason I don't like formulas, since if it does help you can't always trace what is making the contribution.

I think it is the Schisandra. I would try it by itself for a few weeks and see what happens.

[dilenja]

Animal, my best wishes to you during this difficult time, I've been there before and I know its not easy. I found what helped most was surrounding myself with people I cared about, and taking up activities which I felt reflected the person that I wanted to become. I think you give (and consequently lose) a part of yourself to the other person in the relationship, and that coming out of one it is especially important to redefine and emphasize those attributes you like about yourself that make you, you.

Also too, I want to mention that today was my third day of taking the planetary herbals adrenal complex which I ordered after reading of your glowing endorsement. I can so far corroborate what you've said with respect to increased mental endurance and reduced somnolence; I've been able to stay mentally active for longer than normal, and notice that my energy levels have been persistently stable (and more adequate) rather than up and down since I've started taking it. I'm so far quite impressed with this supplement. My only complaint would be that it contains gluten, so it isn't appropriate for those who are sensitive.

[Logan]

Are you guys dosing it one or two times a day and how much?

[Animal]

Thanks for the (unexpected) support people! We're having extensive conversations over Facebook messaging, so I'm hoping there is a possibility of us getting back together.

I'm taking the schisandra twice a day, two tablets per dose, so four altogether.

[Logan]

Thanks for the (unexpected) support people! We're having extensive conversations over Facebook messaging, so I'm hoping there is a possibility of us getting back together.

I'm taking the schisandra twice a day, two tablets per dose, so four altogether.

Thanks for getting back.

Good luck with her! And, if things don't happen to workout, I'm sure the time off of being in a relationship will be a good opportunity for personal growth and enlightenment. Your a smart guy, you will learn from the experience and the past relationship and be better for yourself and for the next one. Shit, maybe you find someone that you love even more than this one. I'm assuming you love her since you are obviously hurting some and trying to get back with her. Whatever happens, good luck man.