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[PerfectSeek]

How is everything going Animal? Are you able to objectively rate your CFS symptoms at this point?

[John Barleycorn]

One way of getting closer to the bottom of this issue is to test whether this complex does something that a combination of NAC, metafolin/folinic acid and berberine-containing species (like Oregon Grape Root) doesn't do. All reputed liver tonics.

Personally, SAM-e makes me nauseous instantly, whereas NAC does it after a few days.

[outsider]

One way of getting closer to the bottom of this issue is to test whether this complex does something that a combination of NAC, metafolin/folinic acid and berberine-containing species (like Oregon Grape Root) doesn't do. All reputed liver tonics.

Personally, SAM-e makes me nauseous instantly, whereas NAC does it after a few days.

But schizandra works on the entire physiology, brain, liver, kidney etc. It enters all 12 meridians.

"In Oriental Medicine, schizandra is recommended for the lungs, liver and kidneys, including as an aphrodisiac ( kidney element)."

[kilgoretrout]

I love Schizandra! Used to take it religiously, 3 caps whole berry caps from Solaray 2 or 3X/day... loved the really strong tart smell opening the bottle... put my nose in there and took several good whifs every time I bought a new bottle. Almost medicinal but clearly "food". Just really gave off an aura that something that smelled like that had GOT to be really good for you.... 'THE NOSE KNOWS"

Definitely made me feel more clear headed, have more endurance both physical and mental, cleared up aches and pains from heavy weight lifting, etc.

Stopped using it due to cost, but the occasions when I buy a bottle on a whim and take it for a few weeks again, I do notice a nice overall glow. Really, a wonderful, magical natural substance, IMHO.

[Animal]

How is everything going Animal? Are you able to objectively rate your CFS symptoms at this point?

Well I'm still getting owned by this fucking bitch and her games, I'm finding it really hard to let go though. Actually I'd like to ask for some advice since people here have been so understanding. I'm currently in regular txt contact with her, and we talk on the phone (for 2+ hrs) every other day. She knows how I feel about her, but her feelings about me are somewhat vague, so when she mentioned going to a party tonight, I said "Well maybe I'll go out on the pull then" and she went berserk. Saying that I know how paranoid and jealous she is, and that if I want to get back with her I shouldn't be hurting her like this all the time. I told her I was only joking and that it was difficult to even know what she feels at the moment. But she made a massive deal out of it, saying that maybe we should just sever contact completely. I think she was overreacting, what do you think? The thing is, it feels like I'm treading on eggshells at the moment, and it's difficult to talk to her about anything of substance without her getting upset. Judging from her jealous reaction to the "goin on the pull" comment, do you think it shows she still has feelings for me, or just that she doesn't want to see me with anyone else?

Besides that, well I recently started a full time job on Monday this week. This is not something I really thought I would be capable of considering the chronic fatigue, but I've actually been coping really well, still taking my 4 tablets of 'Schisandra Adrenal Complex' per day. I still get fatigued, don't get me wrong, but my endurance is much improved.

[Ginnungagap]

How is everything going Animal? Are you able to objectively rate your CFS symptoms at this point?

Well I'm still getting owned by this fucking bitch and her games, I'm finding it really hard to let go though. Actually I'd like to ask for some advice since people here have been so understanding. I'm currently in regular txt contact with her, and we talk on the phone (for 2+ hrs) every other day. She knows how I feel about her, but her feelings about me are somewhat vague, so when she mentioned going to a party tonight, I said "Well maybe I'll go out on the pull then" and she went berserk. Saying that I know how paranoid and jealous she is, and that if I want to get back with her I shouldn't be hurting her like this all the time. I told her I was only joking and that it was difficult to even know what she feels at the moment. But she made a massive deal out of it, saying that maybe we should just sever contact completely. I think she was overreacting, what do you think? The thing is, it feels like I'm treading on eggshells at the moment, and it's difficult to talk to her about anything of substance without her getting upset. Judging from her jealous reaction to the "goin on the pull" comment, do you think it shows she still has feelings for me, or just that she doesn't want to see me with anyone else?

Besides that, well I recently started a full time job on Monday this week. This is not something I really thought I would be capable of considering the chronic fatigue, but I've actually been coping really well, still taking my 4 tablets of 'Schisandra Adrenal Complex' per day. I still get fatigued, don't get me wrong, but my endurance is much improved.

I'm sorry that you are finding yourself in that situation, and while I don't really feel comfortable giving you advice (this being the internet and me being some faceless username), I'll still tell you what I learned from my own previous relationships:

If your relationship gives you more pain than pleasure, you should end it and leave it there. I have often been dumped or dumped someone, put without really putting it to an end. Getting back together, breaking up again, getting back together, trying to work on it... But it's never really the same after the first breakup, and if she broke up with you, you'll always know in the back of your head that she might dump you again, without warning, which is especially unhealthy if you don't know why she broke up with you in the first place.
I know it's very difficult, but it will spare you much emotional turmoil in the long run. Or at least it would have in my case.

Also, if someone, in this situation, doesn't tell you how they feel (especially women), they most probably don't know it themselves.

And, if you really want to have her back, I wouldn't focus too much on what is wrong right now, but rather what attracted her to you in the first place. And something very important, if you talk to her, don't ask her whats bothering her, or at least not the whole time, but try to subtly maneuver the conversation to positive topics, for example, fun times you had together, what she likes about you, what you like about her, that sort of thing. In my experience, she now will associate thinking of you mainly with some negative aspects of the relationship, fights or whatever, and talking about what bothers her will only reinforce that. You want her to associate you with fun times you had!


This is only my experience, so if it doesn't make sense whatsoever please simply ignore my rant. I wish you best of luck, either way!

[Animal]

How is everything going Animal? Are you able to objectively rate your CFS symptoms at this point?

Well I'm still getting owned by this fucking bitch and her games, I'm finding it really hard to let go though. Actually I'd like to ask for some advice since people here have been so understanding. I'm currently in regular txt contact with her, and we talk on the phone (for 2+ hrs) every other day. She knows how I feel about her, but her feelings about me are somewhat vague, so when she mentioned going to a party tonight, I said "Well maybe I'll go out on the pull then" and she went berserk. Saying that I know how paranoid and jealous she is, and that if I want to get back with her I shouldn't be hurting her like this all the time. I told her I was only joking and that it was difficult to even know what she feels at the moment. But she made a massive deal out of it, saying that maybe we should just sever contact completely. I think she was overreacting, what do you think? The thing is, it feels like I'm treading on eggshells at the moment, and it's difficult to talk to her about anything of substance without her getting upset. Judging from her jealous reaction to the "goin on the pull" comment, do you think it shows she still has feelings for me, or just that she doesn't want to see me with anyone else?

Besides that, well I recently started a full time job on Monday this week. This is not something I really thought I would be capable of considering the chronic fatigue, but I've actually been coping really well, still taking my 4 tablets of 'Schisandra Adrenal Complex' per day. I still get fatigued, don't get me wrong, but my endurance is much improved.

I'm sorry that you are finding yourself in that situation, and while I don't really feel comfortable giving you advice (this being the internet and me being some faceless username), I'll still tell you what I learned from my own previous relationships:

If your relationship gives you more pain than pleasure, you should end it and leave it there. I have often been dumped or dumped someone, put without really putting it to an end. Getting back together, breaking up again, getting back together, trying to work on it... But it's never really the same after the first breakup, and if she broke up with you, you'll always know in the back of your head that she might dump you again, without warning, which is especially unhealthy if you don't know why she broke up with you in the first place.
I know it's very difficult, but it will spare you much emotional turmoil in the long run. Or at least it would have in my case.

Also, if someone, in this situation, doesn't tell you how they feel (especially women), they most probably don't know it themselves.

And, if you really want to have her back, I wouldn't focus too much on what is wrong right now, but rather what attracted her to you in the first place. And something very important, if you talk to her, don't ask her whats bothering her, or at least not the whole time, but try to subtly maneuver the conversation to positive topics, for example, fun times you had together, what she likes about you, what you like about her, that sort of thing. In my experience, she now will associate thinking of you mainly with some negative aspects of the relationship, fights or whatever, and talking about what bothers her will only reinforce that. You want her to associate you with fun times you had!


This is only my experience, so if it doesn't make sense whatsoever please simply ignore my rant. I wish you best of luck, either way!

Thank you! Well anyway, now we're having a week long break from txting and talking on the phone because apparently it's "doing her head in" and "I'm making it impossible for her". I'm not sure exactly what I'm making impossible for her. But I do know that what's doing her head in is that I regularly remind her that I still have feelings for her, out of fear that'll she'll start to treat this like a 'normal' platonic friendship.

To be clear, I don't want a platonic friendship, and the only reason I am engaging her now as a 'friend' is because she said that if I give her some time we can make another try at the relationship. I just want her to make her fucking mind up and tell me whether or not she still wants me. Then I can know whether this is futile and just move on. But she can't seem to answer that question. I'm not just going to wait around in limbo for her to take 6 months to make up her mind. I'm impatient about this.

So after this week long communication abstinence, I'll play the friend game, but only for a month at the most and if after that time I'm still not sure where I stand with her then I'm going to minimise contact and consider myself single and available.

Any input is welcome lol, I hope Chrono doesn't delete this for going off topic.

How is everyone else getting on with the Schisandra complex?

[kilgoretrout]

Animal, when someone is constantly creating all that drama and protesting issue after issue with you, they are most likely suffering from some power-complex and they are trying to make themselves feel better by playing this series of emotionally and psychologically manipulative power-games with you.

You are better than that, and dont deserve it. What makes you think that if she agrees to get back into a relationship again that this psychotic behavior will suddenly be cured? It wont and you will invest alot more of your life in her only to come out miserable.

To hell with her. There are plenty of other fish in the sea, sane ones, who will like you and respect you and want to make you happy. All she wants is someone to utilize for her own purposes. Screw her illness, have no part of.

[aLurker]

I agree with kilgore. Such controlling jealousy is a clear sign of insecurities. She probably just wants to keep you around as her security blanket since it makes her feel good about herself. Even if I'm totally wrong about that you should definitely start seeing others even if you're still talking to her.

To keep this somewhat on topic: does tolerance to the Schisandra product or Eluthero seem to build up?

[medievil]

Hey Animal, cant be of any more support but i hope this situation with your girlfriend turns out allright, i definatly wouldnt give her more then a month, dont let her play around with you too long.

[Animal]

I agree with kilgore. Such controlling jealousy is a clear sign of insecurities. She probably just wants to keep you around as her security blanket since it makes her feel good about herself. Even if I'm totally wrong about that you should definitely start seeing others even if you're still talking to her.

To keep this somewhat on topic: does tolerance to the Schisandra product or Eluthero seem to build up?

Well that week long break from txting or talking didn't last, she started txting me again today and rang me earlier on, saying that she missed communicating with me and couldn't stand a week without contact. I'll just make clear that she lives in London and I live in Coventry, which are 1-2hrs away by train, so it's not like we can see each other very easily. So we had a pleasant conversation and she said she'd bought me a gift, a real prehistoric insect trapped in amber that cost her over £60, that is a gift that I would love by the way. I'm not sure what's going on because yesterday I said I was going to send her some flowers and chocolate and she wouldn't let me because she claimed it was too romantic, but her gift is more neutral so it's okay. Bah, I'm confused, so what I'm going to do is play this game where we pretend to just be 'friends' for a few weeks and see where it leads. If I don't feel that we're going to get back together after this amount of time I'll just let our friendship evaporate because it'll help me move on properly.

I've realised though that my continued attraction to her isn't solely emotional, her appearance is a major factor, I think she looks incredible, though I know she wouldn't be to everyone's taste. Also the sex was by far the best I've ever had. I only mention this because I'm wondering if we're just not compatible personality wise, but I'm trying to get back with her for superficial reasons.

I don't think tolerance develops, I've continued to take my current dose every day and it still seems as effective as ever.

Edited by Animal, 15 August 2010 - 09:52 PM.

[Logan]

I agree with kilgore. Such controlling jealousy is a clear sign of insecurities. She probably just wants to keep you around as her security blanket since it makes her feel good about herself. Even if I'm totally wrong about that you should definitely start seeing others even if you're still talking to her.

To keep this somewhat on topic: does tolerance to the Schisandra product or Eluthero seem to build up?

Well that week long break from txting or talking didn't last, she started txting me again today and rang me earlier on, saying that she missed communicating with me and couldn't stand a week without contact. I'll just make clear that she lives in London and I live in Coventry, which are 1-2hrs away by train, so it's not like we can see each other very easily. So we had a pleasant conversation and she said she'd bought me a gift, a real prehistoric insect trapped in amber that cost her over £60, that is a gift that I would love by the way. I'm not sure what's going on because yesterday I said I was going to send her some flowers and chocolate and she wouldn't let me because she claimed it was too romantic, but her gift is more neutral so it's okay. Bah, I'm confused, so what I'm going to do is play this game where we pretend to just be 'friends' for a few weeks and see where it leads. If I don't feel that we're going to get back together after this amount of time I'll just let our friendship evaporate because it'll help me move on properly.

I've realised though that my continued attraction to her isn't solely emotional, her appearance is a major factor, I think she looks incredible, though I know she wouldn't be to everyone's taste. Also the sex was by far the best I've ever had. I only mention this because I'm wondering if we're just not compatible personality wise, but I'm trying to get back with her for superficial reasons.

That's very insightful and may be true, I guess you will find that out sooner or later. Have you shared the exact reason why your girlfriend decided to make the split in the first place? I think you're handling this pretty well Animal. It sounds like she definitely cares about you and has feelings for you. Something has either confused her or scared her in regards to how she feels about staying in a committed intimate relationship with you. I would continue to examine and analyze why you like her so much. Hopefully you will have things figured out soon and will reach a point of satisfaction and contentment with or without her.

Thanks for sharing your experience with the Schisandra Adrenal Complex, so far I think it has been helping me. Other things I just added to my regimen that I believe are making an impact-Jarrow Wellness Optimizer(has a little schisandra amongst other things), Cordyceps-just took 6 grams today in divided doses and I'm pretty sure it has me feeling better, Maca-Navitas Naturals' Raw Maca powder-I may switch to the gelatinized version as I read it is better absorbed and easier on digestion, Chyavanprash-Himalya Herbs, Coconut oil-2 tablespoons in my morning smoothie, CDP-choline-don't think this is having a profound effect, D Aspartic Acid-from Smart Powder's, and Creatine(CreaPure)-Jarrow.

One other thing that I think has made a difference in my overall feeling of well being is upping my Lithium Carbonate(extended release) dose from 300 mg/day to 600 mg/day in 2 divided doses.

Edited by morganator, 15 August 2010 - 11:09 PM.

[kilgoretrout]

Well if the sex was the best you ever had, then maybe there is a real connection there, buried behind insecure gameplaying on her part. Well I hope you all can get around that and back to the good stuff

Have you tried just a high quality pure Schizandra berry supplement,, like that made by Solaray? I am a little wary of "extracts" when it comes to traditional herbs. Seems like extracting single focused chemicals is missing out on many balanced sub-components. How do they know that only certain molecules and nothing else is contributing to the traditional effects?

[Logan]

Well if the sex was the best you ever had, then maybe there is a real connection there, buried behind insecure gameplaying on her part. Well I hope you all can get around that and back to the good stuff

Have you tried just a high quality pure Schizandra berry supplement,, like that made by Solaray? I am a little wary of "extracts" when it comes to traditional herbs. Seems like extracting single focused chemicals is missing out on many balanced sub-components. How do they know that only certain molecules and nothing else is contributing to the traditional effects?

The Planetary Herbals product has the Schisandra fruit, not an extract that isolates it's beneficial components.

[kilgoretrout]

morganater, thanks. I should have checked the ingredients, I just assumed such a "complex" would use an extract to try and get an effective dose of each of the many components.

So, now I have a few remarks:

I avoid these things that throw in everything plus the kitchen sink. I think it is just a marketing ploy, so buyers look at the label and say "Wow, this looks really good with all that different stuff in it" When really it is more than likely there are so many different things, that there is not room for an active dosage of any one of them.

Has anyone ever studied this combination of over a dozen things? I seriously doubt it has any validity as a "combo". They just looked up everything in the herbal literature with "adrenal" in the description, and added a little of it to this.

I found using Schizandra as a single herb, I had to take 3-4 600mg caps of pure fruit twice a day to really feel a noticeable effect. So my guess is this does not even have an effective level of Schizandra.''

With this many elements, who knows what the hell is doing what? If 1 element is really helping alot more than the others, you are never going to know which, and will be locked into taking this vendor's exact combo blend for ever. Which is sort of the sneaky plan, I guess.

Animal, I would suggest you stop the complex, and try just taking 2-4 Solaray Schizandra Berry caps 2-3 times/day... start low and work your way up if you dont feel any effect at first. At some point I am pretty sure you will.... it is a VERY effective and potent adrenal helper on its own... no need to add all that other crap. For me 3 Solaray Schiz. caps twice a day is enough to feel better, clearer, more energy. Add another dosing time (for 3X/day) on especially tough days or ones where you feel tired.

Also I would worry one of the more obscure items could be having contrary effects that reduce the tried and true effects of the Schizandra.

[Logan]

morganater, thanks. I should have checked the ingredients, I just assumed such a "complex" would use an extract to try and get an effective dose of each of the many components.

So, now I have a few remarks:

I avoid these things that throw in everything plus the kitchen sink. I think it is just a marketing ploy, so buyers look at the label and say "Wow, this looks really good with all that different stuff in it" When really it is more than likely there are so many different things, that there is not room for an active dosage of any one of them.

Has anyone ever studied this combination of over a dozen things? I seriously doubt it has any validity as a "combo". They just looked up everything in the herbal literature with "adrenal" in the description, and added a little of it to this.

I found using Schizandra as a single herb, I had to take 3-4 600mg caps of pure fruit twice a day to really feel a noticeable effect. So my guess is this does not even have an effective level of Schizandra.''

With this many elements, who knows what the hell is doing what? If 1 element is really helping alot more than the others, you are never going to know which, and will be locked into taking this vendor's exact combo blend for ever. Which is sort of the sneaky plan, I guess.

Animal, I would suggest you stop the complex, and try just taking 2-4 Solaray Schizandra Berry caps 2-3 times/day... start low and work your way up if you dont feel any effect at first. At some point I am pretty sure you will.... it is a VERY effective and potent adrenal helper on its own... no need to add all that other crap. For me 3 Solaray Schiz. caps twice a day is enough to feel better, clearer, more energy. Add another dosing time (for 3X/day) on especially tough days or ones where you feel tired.

Also I would worry one of the more obscure items could be having contrary effects that reduce the tried and true effects of the Schizandra.

I think if you reach the other components of the Schisandra Adrenal Complex you might better understand why Planetary Herbals put them in there. I personally have no problem with this complex if I feel better taking it. I am interested in just trying schisandra by itself.

[Animal]

That's very insightful and may be true, I guess you will find that out sooner or later. Have you shared the exact reason why your girlfriend decided to make the split in the first place? I think you're handling this pretty well Animal. It sounds like she definitely cares about you and has feelings for you. Something has either confused her or scared her in regards to how she feels about staying in a committed intimate relationship with you. I would continue to examine and analyze why you like her so much. Hopefully you will have things figured out soon and will reach a point of satisfaction and contentment with or without her.

Well I'm not comfortable sharing the exact reason, but we had an argument that resulted in both of us being hurt, her more then me. In the middle of the night (4am) she got up, got dressed and went out wondering the beach (we were on holiday) alone, trying to regain some emotional stability. She thinks that I should have at least txt her to make sure she was safe, but I went back to sleep. I honestly thought she was just going to have a smoke or go to the room her friends were staying in. Anyway, the next day I didn't talk to her at all, because I was still angry and hurt by the argument. The holiday ended without us talking an a silent trip home. She thinks I should have at least made the effort to talk to her during this time, and she's right. I basically made her feel like I didn't give a shit. I should have really pursued her when she left the room, because if someone you love is that distraught then you should be there to comfort them, and especially not let them wander a dangerous beach at night alone.

Ok so the whole thing really hurt her and she lost a lot of trust in me because of it, as she believed I would always look after her no matter what happened. I admit I fucked up, and have tried explaining the reasons why I behaved as I did. She still doesn't trust me though. Like you say, she is scared of getting involved with me again because she thinks the same thing might happen again. It won't I've learnt my lesson.

Well if the sex was the best you ever had, then maybe there is a real connection there, buried behind insecure gameplaying on her part. Well I hope you all can get around that and back to the good stuff

Have you tried just a high quality pure Schizandra berry supplement,, like that made by Solaray? I am a little wary of "extracts" when it comes to traditional herbs. Seems like extracting single focused chemicals is missing out on many balanced sub-components. How do they know that only certain molecules and nothing else is contributing to the traditional effects?

Yeah that's the thing, for me sex can't be that good unless I have an emotional connection to the person. She also said it was much better then what she had experienced before and reignited her libido, after it had been killed off by shit sex with her ex boyfriends. So there was a real connection, we loved each other, I'm just not sure what the state of that love is any more.

I agree with you about trying a pure schizandra supplement, it's something I will experiment with when I run out of the complex. I just hate messing around with something that seems to be working so well, it really isn't expensive so I don't mind continuing the complex indefinitely. But if even better effects are to be had by a higher volume of pure schizandra then I definitely be getting hold of some.

[Logan]

I've thought about maybe continuing the schizandra complex and adding some pure schizandra to it, maybe in the form of a liquid tincture.

Good luck with the girl Animal.

[Animal]

I've thought about maybe continuing the schizandra complex and adding some pure schizandra to it, maybe in the form of a liquid tincture.

Good luck with the girl Animal.

Yeah, that's been my thought too, although I would prefer the schizandra to be in capsule form.

Thanks! LoL you're a cool guy, gonna add you to friends, k?

[Logan]

I've thought about maybe continuing the schizandra complex and adding some pure schizandra to it, maybe in the form of a liquid tincture.

Good luck with the girl Animal.

Yeah, that's been my thought too, although I would prefer the schizandra to be in capsule form.

Thanks! LoL you're a cool guy, gonna add you to friends, k?

Sure brotha..Hey have you tried Cordyceps? I think it has really hooked me up the last few days-uplifting, more energy/stamina, less inflammatory response, sharper clearer mind, less headache(I've had a fucking headache everyday for months now).

[ajnast4r]

saying that maybe we should just sever contact completely.

i think this is exactly what you should do... it sounds to me like she doesnt want to give you the same emotional investment shes asking from you. this is a GIANT red flag for someone who is, and will continue to be a toxic influence on your life. that whole 'ill bate you into saying something and then over-react and be super emo about everything in hopes that you'll chase me down, placate to my instability & try to make me feel better' is THEE SINGLE MOST toxic thing a woman can do to you.

trust me, it seems hard but theres a million fish in the sea... as special as she seems, she is not. toxic people like this will only have a negative effect on your mind & life, & they should be removed from your life.

Edited by ajnast4r, 17 August 2010 - 05:19 PM.

[Soma]

This thread has morphed into a soap opera.

[strider]

thanks for the link i want to try it out i might have an adrenal problem as well

[Animal]

I've thought about maybe continuing the schizandra complex and adding some pure schizandra to it, maybe in the form of a liquid tincture.

Good luck with the girl Animal.

Yeah, that's been my thought too, although I would prefer the schizandra to be in capsule form.

Thanks! LoL you're a cool guy, gonna add you to friends, k?

Sure brotha..Hey have you tried Cordyceps? I think it has really hooked me up the last few days-uplifting, more energy/stamina, less inflammatory response, sharper clearer mind, less headache(I've had a fucking headache everyday for months now).

Hey, I'm on Cordyceps now, thanks for the recommendation, lets hope it's as effective as the schizandra complex has been for me. The burps after I've taken a capsule of Cordyceps are vile though.

[Logan]

I've thought about maybe continuing the schizandra complex and adding some pure schizandra to it, maybe in the form of a liquid tincture.

Good luck with the girl Animal.

Yeah, that's been my thought too, although I would prefer the schizandra to be in capsule form.

Thanks! LoL you're a cool guy, gonna add you to friends, k?

Sure brotha..Hey have you tried Cordyceps? I think it has really hooked me up the last few days-uplifting, more energy/stamina, less inflammatory response, sharper clearer mind, less headache(I've had a fucking headache everyday for months now).

Hey, I'm on Cordyceps now, thanks for the recommendation, lets hope it's as effective as the schizandra complex has been for me. The burps after I've taken a capsule of Cordyceps are vile though.

Ha ha, really? Haven't experienced those burps. Maybe drink a full glass of water with them? I do think I've noticed a difference once I tried 3 or 4 grams of cordyceps, 1 gram wasn't very noticeable. I just notice an uplifting sense of well being and a nice smooth subtle energy boost. Cordyceps may also be good for the immune system. I'm really kinda getting into taking mycelium for health and wellness. I just added Rieshi to my regimen.

What brand of Cordyceps are you using?

[Animal]

I've thought about maybe continuing the schizandra complex and adding some pure schizandra to it, maybe in the form of a liquid tincture.

Good luck with the girl Animal.

Yeah, that's been my thought too, although I would prefer the schizandra to be in capsule form.

Thanks! LoL you're a cool guy, gonna add you to friends, k?

Sure brotha..Hey have you tried Cordyceps? I think it has really hooked me up the last few days-uplifting, more energy/stamina, less inflammatory response, sharper clearer mind, less headache(I've had a fucking headache everyday for months now).

Hey, I'm on Cordyceps now, thanks for the recommendation, lets hope it's as effective as the schizandra complex has been for me. The burps after I've taken a capsule of Cordyceps are vile though.

Ha ha, really? Haven't experienced those burps. Maybe drink a full glass of water with them? I do think I've noticed a difference once I tried 3 or 4 grams of cordyceps, 1 gram wasn't very noticeable. I just notice an uplifting sense of well being and a nice smooth subtle energy boost. Cordyceps may also be good for the immune system. I'm really kinda getting into taking mycelium for health and wellness. I just added Rieshi to my regimen.

What brand of Cordyceps are you using?

I'm taking Dr's Best Ultra Cordyceps, I take 3 grams a day in two separate doses. I've got to say, I think it's quite possible that Cordyceps is the dogs bollocks. This is only my second day of taking it but I've been in a fantastic mood today and was really enjoying work while being ultra productive, the amount of post-retroviral suspensions and subsequent rats I inoculated was at least 30% more then usual, just because I was enjoying my work so much, even though at this stage the experimental process can be tedious. I'm not certain it's the Cordyceps, but its the only thing I've added to my (fairly extensive) regime.

There is one other variable though which may be having a significant effect on my mood, my ex-girlfriend and I talked last night, and she agreed to give it another try. I told her I was going to have to sever contact with her for a while so I could get over her, and purge my affection for her. She started crying when I told her this saying she didn't want to lose contact with me and she still loved me but she's scared of being hurt again. Long story short she agreed to meet and work at it, since the feelings that we both have are worth the risk of another break-up. So of course I'm very happy to hear that and I know that I'd been struggling with a negative mood since we split.


Honestly I think it's a combination of both these influences, but I must admit my mood feels extremely stable and I can't help but think the Cordyceps is influencing that.

[Logan]

I've thought about maybe continuing the schizandra complex and adding some pure schizandra to it, maybe in the form of a liquid tincture.

Good luck with the girl Animal.

Yeah, that's been my thought too, although I would prefer the schizandra to be in capsule form.

Thanks! LoL you're a cool guy, gonna add you to friends, k?

Sure brotha..Hey have you tried Cordyceps? I think it has really hooked me up the last few days-uplifting, more energy/stamina, less inflammatory response, sharper clearer mind, less headache(I've had a fucking headache everyday for months now).

Hey, I'm on Cordyceps now, thanks for the recommendation, lets hope it's as effective as the schizandra complex has been for me. The burps after I've taken a capsule of Cordyceps are vile though.

Ha ha, really? Haven't experienced those burps. Maybe drink a full glass of water with them? I do think I've noticed a difference once I tried 3 or 4 grams of cordyceps, 1 gram wasn't very noticeable. I just notice an uplifting sense of well being and a nice smooth subtle energy boost. Cordyceps may also be good for the immune system. I'm really kinda getting into taking mycelium for health and wellness. I just added Rieshi to my regimen.

What brand of Cordyceps are you using?

I'm taking Dr's Best Ultra Cordyceps, I take 3 grams a day in two separate doses. I've got to say, I think it's quite possible that Cordyceps is the dogs bollocks. This is only my second day of taking it but I've been in a fantastic mood today and was really enjoying work while being ultra productive, the amount of post-retroviral suspensions and subsequent rats I inoculated was at least 30% more then usual, just because I was enjoying my work so much, even though at this stage the experimental process can be tedious. I'm not certain it's the Cordyceps, but its the only thing I've added to my (fairly extensive) regime.

There is one other variable though which may be having a significant effect on my mood, my ex-girlfriend and I talked last night, and she agreed to give it another try. I told her I was going to have to sever contact with her for a while so I could get over her, and purge my affection for her. She started crying when I told her this saying she didn't want to lose contact with me and she still loved me but she's scared of being hurt again. Long story short she agreed to meet and work at it, since the feelings that we both have are worth the risk of another break-up. So of course I'm very happy to hear that and I know that I'd been struggling with a negative mood since we split.


Honestly I think it's a combination of both these influences, but I must admit my mood feels extremely stable and I can't help but think the Cordyceps is influencing that.

Good to hear you are feeling pretty good, whatever the reason is. While I understand other people here thinking that your ex is not worth the trouble, I also know that everyone is not perfect and we all react poorly to situations sometimes out of fear and being hurt. So I say go for it if she is willing to give it another go.

I'm going to guess that you're feeling better because of the talk with your ex and the cordyceps. I think cordyceps can definitely improve mood, I've noticed a boost in mood from it. It also makes me feel like I can breath easier, which always helps with my anxiety-just one reason why exercise always relieved my anxiety.

After researching a bit, the main active components of cordyceps appear to be beta-glucan, adenosine, and mannitol. I think the benefits of beta-glucans on immune health are well known by most of us here. I'm guessing adenosine is largely responsible for the energy boosting power of cordyceps. I'm wondering if the mannitol in cordyceps is increasing blood brain barrier permeability, allowing other beneficial components of cordyceps to better cross the BBB and have a positive impact on brain function. While the studies on mannitol and it's effect on the blood brain barrier involved injections of a fairly high dose, I still can't help but think that it is possible for oral consumption of mannitol to have some effect on opening up the BBB. I realize the BBB is there for a reason and increasing it's permeability is not always a good thing. I'm hoping the the increase in permeability is very brief, only allowing those substances that are consumed at the time more access. Maybe we have to be careful about other things consumed while consuming cordyceps? I'm probably looking into this a little too much.

I wonder if there is a tolerance build up to cordyceps. I am going to try lowering my dose some soon to see if I still feel the positive effects. Once I am back in the gym and feeling somewhat normal again, I will definitely go some days without cordyceps to see how I feel. I may take a day or two off before I get back to have good workouts at the gym just to see what happens.

Anyway, looks like both schisandra and cordyceps are both winners for me. I like that they have other potential health benefits aside from the improved well being and energy. Like I said before, I will also be experimenting with other mycelium in the near future, I've already started with Rieshi.

Edited by morganator, 20 August 2010 - 11:45 PM.

[Animal]

Anyway, looks like both schisandra and cordyceps are both winners for me. I like that they have other potential health benefits aside from the improved well being and energy. Like I said before, I will also be experimenting with other mycelium in the near future, I've already started with Rieshi.

Great, let me know how you get on with the Reishi. I've taken it in the past because it was extremely effective at reducing my hay-fever symptoms, I did not notice any other benefits at the time. I'm going to wait a few more days before trying to assess the benefits of Cordyceps again, but this pervasive feeling of well-being does feel too stable to simply be due to the good news with my ex.

I do suffer with dysthymia, but my current regime has that under control. The contribution from Cordyceps seems to make me feel less stressed which adds to my feelings of well-being. But I don't think it has antidepressant action per se.

Edited by Animal, 21 August 2010 - 12:45 PM.

[Logan]

Anyway, looks like both schisandra and cordyceps are both winners for me. I like that they have other potential health benefits aside from the improved well being and energy. Like I said before, I will also be experimenting with other mycelium in the near future, I've already started with Rieshi.

Great, let me know how you get on with the Reishi. I've taken it in the past because it was extremely effective at reducing my hay-fever symptoms, I did not notice any other benefits at the time. I'm going to wait a few more days before trying to assess the benefits of Cordyceps again, but this pervasive feeling of well-being does feel too stable to simply be due to the good news with my ex.

I do suffer with dysthymia, but my current regime has that under control. The contribution from Cordyceps seems to make me feel less stressed which adds to my feelings of well-being. But I don't think it has antidepressant action per se.

Yeah I don't think cordyceps has any direct antidepressant action, but like you, anytime something stimulates me and makes me feel better, I am way less depressed and anxious. I'm curious to see if you figure out that cordyceps is having the positive effect you think it is.

I'm not really expecting to get the same energizing effect out of Reishi. I'm hoping that it just contributes to my feeling of wellness and enhances immunity. Rieshi can also be calming and may help with sleep.

[ajnast4r]

i tried some of this and it is unusually effective... kind of amazing actually