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[caruga]

Just got the following in my mailbox today from a retailer:
"The FDA has recently informed retailers and distributors that Piracetam is being marked as a drug. That it is not legal to sell as a dietary supplement."

They go on to say they've been informed they have 15 days to comply to the new law and they're having a clearance sale.

I'm sick of these faschist assholes, aren't you?

[Aragonien]

Yes, I am very angry and sad since USA is my only source of piracetam. And I did not understand the reasoning behind the ban. Piracetam has been proven not to be harmful. Probably it is the big medical companies who wants to earn some money by selling their Nootropyl (Nootropil), fuck capitalism!

[caruga]

Yes, I am very angry and sad since USA is my only source of piracetam. And I did not understand the reasoning behind the ban. Piracetam has been proven not to be harmful. Probably it is the big medical companies who wants to earn some money by selling their Nootropyl (Nootropil), fuck capitalism!

No, this is an undermining of capitalism and freedom of trade. What you refer to is the corruption of capitalism by the government. Outlawing a drug is statist, not capitalist.

[Aragonien]

Sorry! I meant American Capitalism, which really is not capitalism, like you said.

[Animal]

Which retailer?

[chrono]

It's Smartpowders.

http://www.imminst.o...more-piracetam/

[newbieLLP]

Just got the following in my mailbox today from a retailer:
"The FDA has recently informed retailers and distributors that Piracetam is being marked as a drug. That it is not legal to sell as a dietary supplement."

They go on to say they've been informed they have 15 days to comply to the new law and they're having a clearance sale.

I'm sick of these faschist assholes, aren't you?

It might just be an issue with how the company, smartpowders, was marketing their products. A member from here contacted the guy in charge of the investigation a couple days ago ... so we might get more info soon.

[FortFun]

So far this rumour is unverified by any facts. It appears a single vendor (who has been propogating this false claim in e-mails to customers and many different forums) got caught by the FDA making false claims about many several of his products. The vendor has been using this to try to dump product before the FDA looks further into their operations and business practices...at least that is my impression of the vendors claims. It is also much better for business if customers think the FDA banned a single product than have customers think you have been busted for false claims in adverstsing.

Check out the vendor forum thread if you need more information on this topic and the vendor mentioned in the previous post.

(edits in bold)

Edited by FortFun, 04 September 2010 - 08:06 PM.

[FortFun]

BTW, it is so funny how these vendors operate...

Look at the wording of the e-mail you received...

"The FDA has recently informed retailers and distributors that Piracetam is being marked as a drug. That it is not legal to sell as a dietary supplement."

What does thw word 'marked' mean? Was it a typo and did they really mean 'marketed' as a drug???

That is the what the FDA has stated in plain language. That the vendor in question was marketing the product as a drug. Not that it is a drug, just the vendor was just selling it as one...and therefore they broke the law

Anyway, I just kind of laugh when you see a vendor do something like this.

If you assume good intentions, then it was a typo. If you don't assume good intentions and realize they have been re-releasing this e-mail (with the advice/consent of attorneys) for several days now...then you wonder.

Personally, if I was not trying to distort the facts I would have used the words 'listed', or 'catagorized', or 'classified', or 'considered' ' a drug.

I definitely would have thought about the benefits of using the odd word 'marked' before deciding to spam everyone.

Just saying...

[Viscid]

Yeah, looks like Mike M of SmartPowders just wants to sell more Piracetam by threatening its imminent extinction. I got suckered into buying 6 kilos a while ago. So much for Piracetam making me any smarter.

[kassem23]

Yeah, looks like Mike M of SmartPowders just wants to sell more Piracetam by threatening its imminent extinction. I got suckered into buying 6 kilos a while ago. So much for Piracetam making me any smarter.

Hahahaha, that's hilarious dude.

[Cuil]

Yeah, looks like Mike M of SmartPowders just wants to sell more Piracetam by threatening its imminent extinction. I got suckered into buying 6 kilos a while ago. So much for Piracetam making me any smarter.

Hahahaha, that's hilarious dude.

+1!!!!!!!

Anyhow, whats the legal status with piracetam? I have been getting my brain back into shape after a long hiatus from the nootropics and a devolving trend towards non-nootropics. Ewww, steer clear of the hedonistic chemicals and stimulants if you don't want your priorities and relationships ruined.

[adamh]

I think you nailed it Fortfun. Another spam attempt by a sleazy vendor anxious to unload his stuff.

BTW, it is so funny how these vendors operate...

Look at the wording of the e-mail you received...

"The FDA has recently informed retailers and distributors that Piracetam is being marked as a drug. That it is not legal to sell as a dietary supplement."

What does thw word 'marked' mean? Was it a typo and did they really mean 'marketed' as a drug???

That is the what the FDA has stated in plain language. That the vendor in question was marketing the product as a drug. Not that it is a drug, just the vendor was just selling it as one...and therefore they broke the law

Anyway, I just kind of laugh when you see a vendor do something like this.

If you assume good intentions, then it was a typo. If you don't assume good intentions and realize they have been re-releasing this e-mail (with the advice/consent of attorneys) for several days now...then you wonder.

Personally, if I was not trying to distort the facts I would have used the words 'listed', or 'catagorized', or 'classified', or 'considered' ' a drug.

I definitely would have thought about the benefits of using the odd word 'marked' before deciding to spam everyone.

Just saying...

[chrono]

It's funny that people are still acting like this is just some kind of sales stunt, when Mike posted a scan of the letter from the FDA like a week ago. These continuing accusations of scamming seem well beyond an accurate analysis of the situation, and more like an excuse to dump on a vendor some here don't like.

And since everyone seems really concerned about motivations in this discussion, it's probably worth noting that in the 15 months since registering, every one of FortFun's posts is bashing Mike/SP. Conclude from that what you will.

[Viscid]

It's funny that people are still acting like this is just some kind of sales stunt, when Mike posted a scan of the letter from the FDA like a week ago. These continuing accusations of scamming seem well beyond an accurate analysis of the situation, and more like an excuse to dump on a vendor some here don't like.

And since everyone seems really concerned about motivations in this discussion, it's probably worth noting that in the 15 months since registering, every one of FortFun's posts is bashing Mike/SP. Conclude from that what you will.

Link to the scan?

[chrono]

Link to the scan?

In the thread I linked to in post #6. Somewhere around posts 60-100, IIRC.

[Deckah]

There's also a thread over @ Mind&Muscle that states someone else got one too. Signature claims the guy is CEO of Primaforce and Former owner of 1Fast400 / BulkNutrition .

PDF of FDA note: http://www.smartpowd...A-piracetam.pdf

[chrono]

There's also a thread over @ Mind&Muscle that states someone else got one too. Signature claims the guy is CEO of Primaforce and Former owner of 1Fast400 / BulkNutrition .

That's Mike M, the owner of Smart Powders (same guy as the thread I linked to).

[bobman]

What is it that the FDA actually does in terms of protecting consumers? It seems like their major powers lie in make bed with pharmaceutical companies. "Not shown to be safe and effective...and no FDA approved applications?" So what is off-label use? If the actually stuck to that line of reasoning all anti-depressants, and all off-label prescriptions would have to be banned, but I suppose that would rob money and opportunity from the wrong people.

[outsider]

I wonder what Isochroma is thinking right now.

That's one of the main reason I wasn't using racetams anymore. We could see this coming.

[Deckah]

Not sure how many people read natural news, but there is a write up on FDA censorship just today 9/9/10 - http://www.naturalne...orship_FDA.html - .

[the_colossus]

It would be a short sighted marketing ploy. A lot of people would buy it right away but then would go looking for other vendors.

They would send an email saying it was fixed and they were still selling it, but it would already have caused many to examine other options and many won't come back. You never want to give consumers any reason to search out competitors.

[chrono]

Not sure how many people read natural news, but there is a write up on FDA censorship just today 9/9/10 - http://www.naturalne...orship_FDA.html - .

Interesting article! As someone who spends a huge amount of time trying to figure out what conclusions can be drawn from scientific studies, I agree that no one should be able to make definitive claims like "curcumin will cure Alzheimer's." But not allowing vendors to link to studies showing benefits of supplements really is more censorship than protection. Cerebral Health had an issue with this earlier in the year, regarding research about galantamine and Alzheimer's.

But it's a complex situation, and the FDA is a monster of our own creation. As a society, we demand an 'auto mechanic' model of health care, where a doctor 'fixes' us and acts as a conduit of approved health advice. This raises the cost for drug design and marketing to unbelievable levels, and creates the economic and political climate wherein the pharmaceutical industry has such huge sway over the FDA. It's a vicious cycle at this point.

Hopefully the demand for lower cost of healthcare will be able to break the cycle, and lead to more reasonable implementation of the drug pipeline, and FDA control of health information.

[the_colossus]

Once the US is forced to make big cuts, the FDA won't be immune and won't have the power and capacity to go off on tangents like it does now.

[spacetime]

There's also a thread over @ Mind&Muscle that states someone else got one too. Signature claims the guy is CEO of Primaforce and Former owner of 1Fast400 / BulkNutrition .

PDF of FDA note: http://www.smartpowd...A-piracetam.pdf

So, I guess his non compete clause must have expired and Mike McCandless decided to return to the supplement industry. So, the FDA is claiming that piracetam is not in compliance with the DSHEA and thus cannot be sold as a supplement. I wonder if any big pharmaceutical company is planning on releasing this as a product. It seems quite inauspicious that they would target such a small company like his. Or perhaps he imports quite a bit do to his Primaforce line and the FDA is targeting big importers as once they are taken down the rest will soon follow. It appears that piracetam's days may be numbered which is kind of lamentable. Will the other cetams now follow suit?

[chrono]

The main thread on this topic was closed by a director, due to the discussion turning into an uncivil argument about opinions of the vendor in question. My apologizes to those who had a genuine interest in the actual topic.

I'm going to go ahead and close this thread as well, since it's exactly the same topic and already headed in that direction, and all that can happen is another snowballing of opinions.

Anyone with genuinely new information is welcome to start another topic. Be warned that I will be moderating such discussions very closely, to ensure that this doesn't happen again.