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#1 gofobroke

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 08:30 AM


Hello, I'm new to this forum. I suffer from social anxiety disorder. I am currently taking meds. to treat this. It is starting to bother me as some of them are addictive. I take klonopin which I have built a tolerance to. this really bothers me. I was looking on amazon for books that integrate psychopharmacology with nutrition and supplements. I could not find any book that fit the bill for an integrated approach. It was frustrating.

So, I'm asking anyone for information and help. What daily supplement regimen do you take for anxiety? And if you know of any quality books on the subject? any feedback would be greatly appreciated. I seek knowledge on this subject. as I know there's a better approach.

Thanks for the post!

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 01:28 PM

There are a few posts on the board about this specific topic. Try using the search function. Are you familiar with SAS?

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#3 gofobroke

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 07:55 PM

Yeah but I'm intersted in Nootropics for anxiety. I'm intersted in peoples daily regimine with anxiety on this forum.I'm looking at different forums to get as many peoples ideas and knowledge as possible!

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Posted 20 November 2010 - 10:20 PM

Yeah but I'm intersted in Nootropics for anxiety. I'm intersted in peoples daily regimine with anxiety on this forum.I'm looking at different forums to get as many peoples ideas and knowledge as possible!


To be honest I like your approach. Combining nutrition with decent supplements (there are a few out there). Definitley don't close your mind to the fact that you could potentially sort this out by improving your lifestyle. There is so much you can do in terms of dietary approaches especially. I have been part of this forum since Janraury and I suffered with horrible GAD when I first joined. Nowadays I suffer with zero anxiety (only performance related anxiety, but hey that's just being human - we all get this so no worries). The only thing that has actually changed for me during that time is that I have eaten healthily consistently during that time and I will do now until the day I die. It's the only thing that has worked for me. No more GAD, no more OCD, no more ADHD.. I have still struggled with depression somewhat but that's to be expected for me because I know I am not totally 100% happy with my current circumstances and have recognized the changes I need to make to sort this out. So this probably causes a slight depletion of those feel good NT's in my head.. Hence I dabble with SJW and quality cocoa on a daily basis. Very nice indeed.

Edited by Thorsten, 20 November 2010 - 10:21 PM.


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Posted 21 November 2010 - 12:15 AM

Yeah but I'm intersted in Nootropics for anxiety. I'm intersted in peoples daily regimine with anxiety on this forum.I'm looking at different forums to get as many peoples ideas and knowledge as possible!


To be honest I like your approach. Combining nutrition with decent supplements (there are a few out there). Definitley don't close your mind to the fact that you could potentially sort this out by improving your lifestyle. There is so much you can do in terms of dietary approaches especially. I have been part of this forum since Janraury and I suffered with horrible GAD when I first joined. Nowadays I suffer with zero anxiety (only performance related anxiety, but hey that's just being human - we all get this so no worries). The only thing that has actually changed for me during that time is that I have eaten healthily consistently during that time and I will do now until the day I die. It's the only thing that has worked for me. No more GAD, no more OCD, no more ADHD.. I have still struggled with depression somewhat but that's to be expected for me because I know I am not totally 100% happy with my current circumstances and have recognized the changes I need to make to sort this out. So this probably causes a slight depletion of those feel good NT's in my head.. Hence I dabble with SJW and quality cocoa on a daily basis. Very nice indeed.



Just good food but no excersice?

#6 gofobroke

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 02:50 AM

Yeah but I'm interested in Nootropics for anxiety. I'm interested in peoples daily regimen with anxiety on this forum.I'm looking at different forums to get as many peoples ideas and knowledge as possible!


To be honest I like your approach. Combining nutrition with decent supplements (there are a few out there). Definitely don't close your mind to the fact that you could potentially sort this out by improving your lifestyle. There is so much you can do in terms of dietary approaches especially. I have been part of this forum since Janraury and I suffered with horrible GAD when I first joined. Nowadays I suffer with zero anxiety (only performance related anxiety, but hey that's just being human - we all get this so no worries). The only thing that has actually changed for me during that time is that I have eaten healthily consistently during that time and I will do now until the day I die. It's the only thing that has worked for me. No more GAD, no more OCD, no more ADHD.. I have still struggled with depression somewhat but that's to be expected for me because I know I am not totally 100% happy with my current circumstances and have recognized the changes I need to make to sort this out. So this probably causes a slight depletion of those feel good NT's in my head.. Hence I dabble with SJW and quality cocoa on a daily basis. Very nice indeed.


but have you delved into the supplements. I know abot nutrition and I eat pretty healthy. supplements i use when I can afford them:good multi, NAC, Probiotics, pwd Glutamine, L-Theanine mixed with calming herbs, New Chapter Inflazyme,
Co-q-10, pwd magnesium, melatonin, Alpha Lipoic Acid or R Lipoic Acid,L Tyrosine, sunblinqual b-6 for absorption and health benefits, sublingual b-complex,plant enzymes with prebiotics, Sublingual-12, SOD by Life Extension,SODzyme Life Extension 9melon and wheat protein protects it from degradation in the digestive tract,Quercitin complwx Super Soft gels containing Vita K 1&2,calcium selenium lutein lycopene ginkgo,finally fish oil, and carnitine.

Let me address something obvious. We should all conentrate on fruits,vegetables,seaweed,lean proteins,nuts, seeds(almonds pumpkin seeds, sesame seeds) fiber rich foods oatmeal, high fiber complex cereals(Kashi Bran cereal mixed with lowfat plain yougurt containig probiotcs, geek yougurt, and fresh or frozen berries mmmm, fish(salmon,tuna,sardines in water),legumes hits complex carbs-protein-fiber. Basically covering all the macro nutrients-lentils mmm,wild or brown rice. I think i covered it all. Have a multicolored diet with veggies and fruit (phytonutrients). all of this is pretty much common sense. Oh yeah alot of filtered water and natural herbal teas.ginseng for the adrenals. Pretty obvious to people who want to live long and feel good.

Did I miss anything. Please tell. Also diets have to be adjusted to food allergies(gluten,nuts etc.) By lean meats I mean low fat ground turkey, skinless chicken. Try not to over heat veggies or fish in particular. Steaming is an excellent method. Again add to this if I missed anything.

Now can someone tell me about Nootropics. Since I know very little. What are the best. I've heard good things about Galantamine and some about piracetam.any voices on their Favorites?????

#7 gofobroke

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 02:54 AM

Oh yeah and good cardio exercise along with liftin weaight or the weight machines. Keeps muscles strong and helps keep bone density. Protein is important as we age as we begin to age, We need those aminos!!!

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 04:35 AM

Man I forgot the supplements-Phosophotylserine,Maca, and Jarrows herbal antioxidant(curcumin,ginger). Fresh ginger tea from the fresh root. Just crush the ginger ans simmer to deired potencey. Great for nasea,somach, and apotent antiinflammatory. Which causes many of our diseases. Glucosamine and Chondritinand boswellia and the good old milk thistle. I would like some info on your favorite Nootropics.
Please respond with your knowledge and which has worked for you?

Thanks!

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 10:23 AM

Yeah but I'm intersted in Nootropics for anxiety. I'm intersted in peoples daily regimine with anxiety on this forum.I'm looking at different forums to get as many peoples ideas and knowledge as possible!


To be honest I like your approach. Combining nutrition with decent supplements (there are a few out there). Definitley don't close your mind to the fact that you could potentially sort this out by improving your lifestyle. There is so much you can do in terms of dietary approaches especially. I have been part of this forum since Janraury and I suffered with horrible GAD when I first joined. Nowadays I suffer with zero anxiety (only performance related anxiety, but hey that's just being human - we all get this so no worries). The only thing that has actually changed for me during that time is that I have eaten healthily consistently during that time and I will do now until the day I die. It's the only thing that has worked for me. No more GAD, no more OCD, no more ADHD.. I have still struggled with depression somewhat but that's to be expected for me because I know I am not totally 100% happy with my current circumstances and have recognized the changes I need to make to sort this out. So this probably causes a slight depletion of those feel good NT's in my head.. Hence I dabble with SJW and quality cocoa on a daily basis. Very nice indeed.



Just good food but no excersice?


Recently I have started exercising more and I have noticed benefits on mood and sleep especially. It's definitley a valuable addition but bad food choices are a more direct cause for my own mood disorders. Exercise seems to enhance health but it doesn't do much for depression/anxiety for me.

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 10:47 AM

Man I forgot the supplements-Phosophotylserine,Maca, and Jarrows herbal antioxidant(curcumin,ginger). Fresh ginger tea from the fresh root. Just crush the ginger ans simmer to deired potencey. Great for nasea,somach, and apotent antiinflammatory. Which causes many of our diseases. Glucosamine and Chondritinand boswellia and the good old milk thistle. I would like some info on your favorite Nootropics.
Please respond with your knowledge and which has worked for you?

Thanks!


1. Aniracetam
2. Bacopa
3. SJW (Kira, Perika, Serofin, HBC, SC27)
4. Calamus root, lemon balm, chamomile
5. Gotu Kola
6. Reishi
7. Piracetam
8. The basics - Vitamnin D, Fish oil, Lithium orotate
9. Cacao
10. Rhodiola
11. Ashwagandha
12. Taurine
13. inositol
14. ECEG, idebenone
15. Sceletium
16. Picamilon
17. Kava Kava
18. Phenibut (proceed with caution)
19. Gabapentin
20. Pregabalin
21. PharmaGABA
22. Niacinamide


Most of the above have a significant impact on mood but wouldn't neccessarily hel'p your anxiety as nobody knows anything about your chemistry or condition. The last three or four are not really nootropics in my opinion.

There are probably others but with all due respect I'd be suprised if you managed to cure your condition with nootropics.
You seem very educated about diet though which is really good, so maybe supplements/nootropics on top might work for you. Good luck.

Also think it was mentioned earlier but the SAS forums are pretty good too, although they mainly talk about pharms over there.

Memantine is pretty decent for GAD. Have a chat with Medievil, maybe he knows of some less habit forming benzos.. Pretty sure there are some out there that I have read about..

Oh and there are loads of russian 'smart drugs'.... semax, selank, afobazol

Some anti-depressants have been touted as working somewhat for anxiety... Agomelatine, Tianeptine

Edited by Thorsten, 21 November 2010 - 11:15 AM.


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Posted 21 November 2010 - 11:08 AM

Oh yeah and good cardio exercise along with liftin weaight or the weight machines. Keeps muscles strong and helps keep bone density. Protein is important as we age as we begin to age, We need those aminos!!!



If you do enjoy the occasional protein sandwhich though why not try the ketosis diet? I'm sure being high on BHB could possibly work for your anxiety. Some people feel fantastic on this diet. Bad breath is a common side effect though due to the lack of carbs. Not a problem I suppose if you have the forsight to carry a packet of mints with you.

For me personally I follow more Paleo.. Which is what you seem to follow as well.. Just another option if you haven't tried it?
The thing is you've stated your diet as being exemplorary, and it does sound decent but that doesn't mean it is neccessarily the best one for you. There's a lot of alternatives out there.. Eradicating allergens was a smart move.. Wheat was the direct cause of some of my OCD.

Edited by Thorsten, 21 November 2010 - 11:10 AM.


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Posted 21 November 2010 - 03:59 PM

Personally i'm also a big proponent of a paleo diet, ive been on low carb forums before and even a seperate one where they adapted to a full carnivorian diet, and all had big improvement in their symptons.

Keto diets are good, and definatly doesnt hurt to try.

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 08:58 PM

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Yeah I'm good friends with medievil. I don't know much about the paleo diet. I believe it's high in meats and possibly nuts and seeds. My problem with that is that this diet is adopted from centuries ago when our ancestors would have to hunt for possibly weeks before they killed an animal. Therefore using up much energy and protein from meat was not avilable to them daily as is now. As far as carbs ,they are essential for any any endurance sport. Lack of them will cause the body to convert fat into carbohydrate which is a slow process when cycling, running etc. It's good for losing weight if you go out on long easy rides with less carbs and allowing your body to transfer the fat. After the fat is being used up,the body will start breaking down muscle protein. That's why if you watch the climbing stages in the major tours by the time they get to the mountain stages the overall contenders and climbers are so skinny. There arms are like rails and they're legs are pure thin muscle. They get down to about 6% body fat for strength to wait ratio.Which is found to be able to keep high performance for about 3 weeks (length of the 3 Grand Tours )than after that the body will collapse. Following the Tours they will get themselves up to a healthier 8-10% body fat. Now i am all about complex carbs except for on super intense bike rides when your in the saddle for 4-6 hours with climbs. Than I need both. But of course you do want to keep in mind hypoglycemia or hyper glycemia ( as in diabeties). But in serious training your body goes through the simple carbs so quickly for fuel it really isn't a problem with insulin being released at to fast of a rate. Now after the training and the glycemic window; than complex are the beast way to go. i must point out that weiaght lifting is an essential part of anyones health program but ias a different beast! I realize exercise like squats,which use the largest muscles in the body and also cyling the exercises. Another thing to remember ia the acid-alkaline is vital. Keeping the alkaline high and acid low with dietary foods.

Any way I'm babbling. A few questions as always. what is the Ketosis diet? Ihave heard good things about rhdiola. What is Eceg idebenone,sceletium, any other ideas? And does any use Galantamine? Some off the meds. listed would have to go through IOP,s right? Unfortunately I am limited on funds! So the top there or four Nootropics that helps anyone would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for reading the long post. If you could get through it :)!

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 09:07 PM

I have severe anxiety. Combined with psychotherapy my regimen is as follows

Atenelol (beta blocker) 25mg twice daily - this alleviates the racing heart from the anxiety which would make me more anxious
Gabapentin 400mg at night - enhances slow wave sleep. Better quality sleep can help reduce stress and anxiety and its GABAergic so it calms you down
Tryptophan 1.5gm - antidepressant and antianxiety actions

But psychotherapy helps the most.

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Posted 21 November 2010 - 11:42 PM

[quote name='tlm884' timestamp='1290373669' post='441396']
I have severe anxiety. Combined with psychotherapy my regimen is as follows

Atenelol (beta blocker) 25mg twice daily - this alleviates the racing heart from the anxiety which would make me more anxious
Gabapentin 400mg at night - enhances slow wave sleep. Better quality sleep can help reduce stress and anxiety and its GABAergic so it calms you down
Tryptophan 1.5gm - antidepressant and antianxiety actions

But psychotherapy helps the most.


Now what works better for sleep and depression 5-HTP or Tryptophan. I've heard that 5-HTP is more effective as it's one step closer to the conversion of serotonin but of course things will be said as Tryptophan was banned for such a long time. So, ant ideas on the more effective way?. I'm leaning towards Tryptophan.

Edited by gofobroke, 21 November 2010 - 11:52 PM.


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Posted 22 November 2010 - 06:00 AM

Two puffs of 30mg of a strong indica-based strain of cannabis 1-2 times a day. Preferably vaporized. Not enough to get you high or impact cognitive function (can even improve cognitive function if you're on the bipolar spectrum), but definitely enough to wipe away anxiety, depression, anhedonia, ADD, lack of motivation within 10 mins.

Edited by SynapticWeasel, 22 November 2010 - 06:25 AM.


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Posted 22 November 2010 - 09:20 AM

I have severe anxiety. Combined with psychotherapy my regimen is as follows

Atenelol (beta blocker) 25mg twice daily - this alleviates the racing heart from the anxiety which would make me more anxious
Gabapentin 400mg at night - enhances slow wave sleep. Better quality sleep can help reduce stress and anxiety and its GABAergic so it calms you down
Tryptophan 1.5gm - antidepressant and antianxiety actions

But psychotherapy helps the most.


Now what works better for sleep and depression 5-HTP or Tryptophan. I've heard that 5-HTP is more effective as it's one step closer to the conversion of serotonin but of course things will be said as Tryptophan was banned for such a long time. So, ant ideas on the more effective way?. I'm leaning towards Tryptophan.


When 5-HTP is taken it is decarboxylated before it reaches the brain. This causes an increase of seretonin outside of the brain and can cause damage to heart valves. It can also cause hypertension. Tryptophan doesn't convert to seretonin in the body and is much safer in that respect. Tryptophan is an essential amino acid and virtually has no side effects.

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 11:01 AM

At the moment for general stress / anxiety I take ashwagandha, holy basil (both good adaptogens that lower cortisol, etc) magnesium (with calcium - mg helps the body cope with stress) and sometimes passion flower (benzo-like sedative). However I really want to try things that stimulate/free my mind and allow me to relax (I love things like Urban Exploration, and probably stuff like caving and general exploring) and also maybe massage, I'm not sure. Exercise also apparently helps but I don't find it helps me as much as the other stuff :)

Hope that helps anyway!

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Posted 22 November 2010 - 12:05 PM

Aniracetam has been found effective for anxiety in a rodent model, also i found trivastal to improve my SA for a bit when ive taken it.




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