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#1 innercore

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Posted 11 January 2011 - 12:31 PM


Well here is my humble little regimen against a rather nasty blood result.

My only symptom currently is mild Raynaud's on hands and feet. Symptoms and bad serology started 2 years ago out of the blue.

Latest blood nasties:

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ANA 1:640
ANTI-RNP Positive (Suggestive of Mixed connective tissue disease or Undifferentiated connective tissue disease)
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Complement C4 0.18 (0.20 - 0.59) slightly low
Mild Leukopenia
Slightly elevated liver enzymes
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Everything else is near optimal (ESR, CRP, Lipids, D3)


Supplement regimen

Omega-3 - 2 grams of EPA + DHA combined
GLA 40 mg
Pycnogenol 100 mg
Pomegranate Extract 400 mg
Silymarin 900 mg
CoQ10 25 mg
R-Lipoic Acid 100 mg
Magnesium Taurate + Magnesium Citrate 600 mg
Vitamin C 1 gram
Gamma E 30mg
Calcium (from wholefoods only) 100mg
Balanced B complex (1/4 Tablet)
Luteolin
VSL#3
ImmunoproRx (2 scoops)
Quercetin
Zyflamend ( 2 caps)
Aspirin ( twice per week 90mg)
Vitamin D3 (5000 UI daily) Maintaining 50-60 ng/nl
Vitamin k2 Mk4 (2mg)
Curcumin BCM-95 300 mg

Diet: Strict Paleo

Would love for some advise or comments, I've only began to research what I'm facing (I don't believe doctors will get me far) and my main fear is developing Pulmonary Hypertension and/or progressing towards a real connective tissue disease. Any further recommendations? I'm also open to preventative pharmaceuticals.
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Posted 11 January 2011 - 07:12 PM

Investigate piracetam for your Raynaud's (and other effects).

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 08:23 PM

Cissus
Reishi mushroom
Lions Mane mushroom
Lakoterrin(a part of Colostrom)

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 08:58 PM

PDE-5 inhibitors have been found effective for Raynauds.

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 09:31 PM

LDN?

#6 innercore

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 05:35 AM

Piracetam looks quite good, I'll try it. I'm also researching ways to increase foxp3 and T regulatory cells. I'm looking into HDAC inhibitors..
I dunno what to make of LDN, and what exactly it will do in my specific case. PDE-5 inhibitors is something I should consider, maybe low dose Viagra? I wonder if taking a low dose can be preventative against PAH.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 09:42 AM

Up-regulation of intercellular adhesion molecule-1, endothelial leukocyte adhesion molecule-1 and Class II MHC molecules on pulmonary artery endothelial cells as well as the endothelial cell-binding activity of U1 RNP antibodies are considered to mediate PAH.


Any ideas what could reverse or stop this?

Edited by innercore, 13 January 2011 - 09:43 AM.


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Posted 14 January 2011 - 01:22 AM

Up-regulation of intercellular adhesion molecule-1, endothelial leukocyte adhesion molecule-1 and Class II MHC molecules on pulmonary artery endothelial cells as well as the endothelial cell-binding activity of U1 RNP antibodies are considered to mediate PAH.


Any ideas what could reverse or stop this?

maybe sulfazine?

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Posted 15 January 2011 - 10:28 PM

Pravastatin...it increases Tregs and downreuglates MHC-II (if ypu hvae a Th17/Th1 autoimmunity)... having a Th2 autimmunity (asthma) Fluvastatin is better...

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/17826781

Treatment with pravastatin and simvastatin increases the number of CD4+CD25high (TREG) cells in humans.

The effect of statins on the number of Tregs in humans was examined ex vivo by comparing the number of CD4+CD25high and Foxp3 expression before (time 0) and after oral treatment with statins for a period of 4/8 weeks.

Since there is a considerable variability in the number ofTregs between individuals [25], baseline levels in a given individual represented the referenced value. Thus, we evaluated subjects with hypercholesterolemia, initiating a treatment with either pravastatin or simvastatin. These healthy subjects appear to have mean levels of Tregs that are similar
to non-hyperlipidemic subjects (data not shown). As shown in Fig. 2A and B, 8 weeks of treatment with pravastatinled to a median 3.7-fold increase in the percentage of CD4+CD25high of total CD4+CD25+ relative to baseline values.

Similar effects were evident in patients treated with simvastatin, which led to a median 2.4-fold increase of circulating CD4+CD25high cells after 4 weeks.

Read more here...

http://www.imminst.o...tin-not-so-bad/

Then worm therapy (either Th1 or Th2)...

Edited by brunotto, 15 January 2011 - 10:43 PM.

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#10 innercore

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 12:12 AM

Awesome! thanks for the info, I'll start researching Pravastatin and simvastatin immediately

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Posted 16 January 2011 - 10:29 PM

Vitamin C 1 gram

Vit C for autoimmunity not so good... if you take statins you nedd more Q10.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/21074755

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Posted 17 January 2011 - 04:19 PM

I am curious ....
Are any people giving this advice actually have an auto immune disease ?
Has anyone actually followed the advice they have given and had results of the advice they so freely give?
Everyone can read and find studies I see people do not understand the tests and the function of the immune system and why to have they have the readings of results of the tests
I believe in taking supplements and have all my life but to think you can change a course or reading just by taking some pills is giving false hope to people who may be scared and looking for that fools gold after a lifetime of abuse on their body
I am not saying that some symptoms cannot be relieved depending on the readings and the diagnosis ...and that some issues in the tests results cannot fluctuate but I would really be careful giving false hope to people
You need a drastic lifestyle change before the breakdown of your body.. It also id very true that many immune disorders are hereditary so you can take the best care you possibly can and still have to deal with this protein disorder
Let me explain in simple terms that your body now registers its parts as an invader of your system so it begins to attack healthy skin,organs,joints, etc... I
You once perfect system is now out of whack and is trying to act as a protector It now unfortunately misreads what it once was able to see as part of you as the enemy.
I wish there was a way to change it and in the near future we probably can but at the present there are only drugs that are used to help control the onset at where it is found. There are drugs like enbrel
Orencia ,arava... to name a few which can help depending on what your diagnosis is.... It is better then it use to be
It is always helpful to take supplements but do not believe that they will change your diagnosis because at present there is no cure
There are many helpful supplements that are not harmful and there are some that can be very harmful to your liver,etc
That is why you should go to an alternative doctor or to a professional that knows all the side effects.etc

You need to find a doctor you can talk to and you can find reading groups online that can be helpful but please understand that you need to deal with what you have because if do not you can have a lot of damage and it is irreversible... unless you get joint replacements

I know everyone here wants to help but you also have to be as honest so you are not responsible for having someone not seek treatments. Immune diseases are in the chronic disease catagory and no one can stat here or online that there is a cure
I think here you will get people who care about their bodies and are looking for alternative treatments for their own health . There is a lot to say about supplements and how you can benefit from them but everything you put into your body also has to be taken into account. You cannot expect to get results from anything when you are not caring for the whole machine
I think people need to do a thorough research on their condition and find alternative doctors where they live so they can be treated for their individual needs
I do not mean to be harsh at all I just want people to think taking an herb or supplement can or will change their immune disorder

A regime of people sharing what they do for their immune disorder is helpful to know and may not work for someone else

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Posted 17 January 2011 - 04:25 PM

Sulfazine is a drug that is used for immune disorders. It is one of the drugs they use first for RA, and PA along with many others It is also useful for other disorders
It has been used for a very long time and is still used a lot
What did your doctor tell you he thinks is wrong with you. what are your symptoms to have gotten you this test



Up-regulation of intercellular adhesion molecule-1, endothelial leukocyte adhesion molecule-1 and Class II MHC molecules on pulmonary artery endothelial cells as well as the endothelial cell-binding activity of U1 RNP antibodies are considered to mediate PAH.


Any ideas what could reverse or stop this?

maybe sulfazine?



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Posted 17 January 2011 - 04:54 PM

You have a great diet and you are really taking good care of yourself diet wise
I do not know how old you are or if you live in the USA because the treatments that are available are different depending on where you live
Yahoo has a really good group called "psoriatic arthritis "but there are people who also have your type. I have RA and have had it now for 12 years I also have a good diet and take supplements
There is a first round of drugs that they use first which help control the progression of the disease and then they try the injections like enbrel Humira which you can do yourself

It is important for you do see a rheumatologist who can help you with this, It is great to take supplements and diet but unfortunately the disease can progress without notice destroying joints
It is important that you see a professional about this I say this because I have seen many people not getting treatment who have had irreversible damage to their body

If you search around you will see Dr Browns theory about at one time it being a type of amoeba and he use tetracycline's which actually help with the inflammation . You will find groups and devout followers who have lost joints taking only what his theory prescribes
You have to read between the lines and also listen to your body now Women tend to get it more then men and it usually runs in families so if you some info about that it will be helpful for you
It takes a while to be diagnosed and many doctors do no know that most people are RA negative so a test will usually show up negative. You will benefit by searching out a good rheumatologist as soon as you can The disease id correctly diagnosed is treatable and controlled

Unfortunately taking supplements and vitamins does not cure it... It is a chronic disease that you will have to learn about and also learn to live with That group on Yahoo is based in England but there are people all over the world in it and I have found it the best of all the groups dealing with immune disorders because they are intelligent up on all treatments along with being compassionate
I can say all of this to you because I have RA and Fibromyalgia which runs in my family.
I have been a health nut my whole life along with not drinking or smoking and always taking supplements
Someday they will have a cure but at this time they can only treat the symptoms
It took me over a year to be diagnosed and about 8 doctors till I found one that could help me
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Well here is my humble little regimen against a rather nasty blood result.

My only symptom currently is mild Raynaud's on hands and feet. Symptoms and bad serology started 2 years ago out of the blue.

Latest blood nasties:

--
ANA 1:640
ANTI-RNP Positive (Suggestive of Mixed connective tissue disease or Undifferentiated connective tissue disease)
--
Complement C4 0.18 (0.20 - 0.59) slightly low
Mild Leukopenia
Slightly elevated liver enzymes
--
Everything else is near optimal (ESR, CRP, Lipids, D3)


Supplement regimen

Omega-3 - 2 grams of EPA + DHA combined
GLA 40 mg
Pycnogenol 100 mg
Pomegranate Extract 400 mg
Silymarin 900 mg
CoQ10 25 mg
R-Lipoic Acid 100 mg
Magnesium Taurate + Magnesium Citrate 600 mg
Vitamin C 1 gram
Gamma E 30mg
Calcium (from wholefoods only) 100mg
Balanced B complex (1/4 Tablet)
Luteolin
VSL#3
ImmunoproRx (2 scoops)
Quercetin
Zyflamend ( 2 caps)
Aspirin ( twice per week 90mg)
Vitamin D3 (5000 UI daily) Maintaining 50-60 ng/nl
Vitamin k2 Mk4 (2mg)
Curcumin BCM-95 300 mg

Diet: Strict Paleo

Would love for some advise or comments, I've only began to research what I'm facing (I don't believe doctors will get me far) and my main fear is developing Pulmonary Hypertension and/or progressing towards a real connective tissue disease. Any further recommendations? I'm also open to preventative pharmaceuticals.



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Posted 18 January 2011 - 05:35 AM

Vitamin C 1 gram

Vit C for autoimmunity not so good... if you take statins you nedd more Q10.

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/21074755


Good find, I'll get my vitamin C from fruits/vegetables only.

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Posted 18 January 2011 - 06:21 PM

Gamma E 30mg


Be carefull....

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/19359655

Edited by brunotto, 18 January 2011 - 06:24 PM.


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Posted 19 January 2011 - 04:34 AM

Be carefull....

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/19359655


Could you explain what's wrong with low dose vitamin E with or without statins? I don't quite follow.

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 08:54 AM

Looks like that taking statins with gamma-tocotrienol has quite a strong citostatic effect... something like methotrexate... better stay with alpha-tocopherol for thoose on statins.

Anyway ask your doctor becouse perhaps other negative interactions can be there...

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 09:44 AM

Statins have this pleiotropic effect of protecting from autoimmune, cardio vascular diseases and also cancer... it is important to note not all statins behave in the same manner... I think pravastatin is better for th1/th17 autoimmune but the less effective one for cancer... (as I know (but may be worng) it does not activate CASPASE 1 -> il1-beta where other statins does)...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caspase_1

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/21199873
http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/11791017

Again ask your doctor if in your specific case this drugs may be helpful !!

Edited by brunotto, 19 January 2011 - 10:02 AM.


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Posted 19 January 2011 - 10:00 AM

Several cases of polymyositis and dermatomyositis were reported as being triggered by the use of various statin drugs used to control blood cholesterol. Muscle biopsies of these patients showed rhabdomyolysis, and degeneration and regeneration of muscle tissue.

http://en.wikipedia....Dermatomyositis

It may be helpfull or NOT...

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Posted 19 January 2011 - 05:05 PM

This is interesting... but -by now- only speculative... Pravastatin can inhibit the proliferation and syndecan-4 protein expression in rat vascular smooth muscle cells induced by TNF-alpha in vitro.

http://www.j-smu.com...5/201005998.pdf

Cytotoxicity of TNFalpha is regulated by integrins alpha(v)beta(5), alpha(6)beta(1), and syndecan-4

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/17318182

Cytokines of the tumor necrosis factor (TNF) family regulate inflammation and immunity, and a subset of this family can also induce cell death in a context-dependent manner. Although TNFalpha is cytotoxic to certain tumor cell lines, it induces apoptosis in normal cells only when NFkappaB signaling is blocked. Here we show that the matricellular protein CCN1/CYR61 can unmask the cytotoxic potential of TNFalpha without perturbation of NFkappaB signaling or de novo protein synthesis, leading to rapid apoptosis in the otherwise resistant primary human fibroblasts. CCN1 acts through binding to integrins alpha(v)beta(5), alpha(6)beta(1), and syndecan-4, triggering the generation of reactive oxygen species (ROS) through a Rac1-dependent mechanism via 5-lipoxygenase and the mitochondria, leading to the biphasic activation of JNK necessary for apoptosis. Mice with the genomic Ccn1 locus replaced with an apoptosis-defective Ccn1 allele are substantially resistant to TNFalpha-induced apoptosis in vivo. These results indicate that CCN1 may act as a physiologic regulator of TNFalpha cytotoxicity, providing the contextual cues from the extracellular matrix for TNFalpha-mediated cell death.

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 10:10 AM

Inhibition of the inflammatory action of interleukin-1 and tumor necrosis factor (alpha) on neutrophil function by pentoxifylline (Trental)

http://iai.asm.org/c...tract/56/7/1722
http://journals.lww....line_in.36.aspx

pentoxifylline has immunomodulatory properties, which are associated with selective inhibition of cytokine release

Pentoxifylline improves blood flow through peripheral blood vessels and therefore helps with blood circulation in the arms and legs (used to treat Raynaud's phenomenon)

pentoxifylline is both a competitive nonselective phosphodiesterase inhibitor which raises intracellular cAMP, activates PKA, inhibits TNF-alpha and leukotriene synthesis, and reduces inflammation and innate immunity and in addition, pentoxifylline improves red blood cell deformability, reduces blood viscosity and decreases the potential for platelet aggregation and thrombus formation.

Edited by brunotto, 29 January 2011 - 10:15 AM.


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Posted 29 January 2011 - 10:27 AM

Janusz Marcinkiewicz, , a, Agnieszka Grabowskaa, Ryszard Lauterbachb and Malgorzata Bobeka

a Department of Immunology, Jagiellonian University Medical College, 18 Czysta Street, 31-121 Cracow, Poland

b Department of Neonatology, Jagiellonian University Medical College, 18 Czysta Street, 31-121 Cracow, Poland

Pentoxifylline (PTX), a methylxanthine derivative, has been reported to be an effective drug in inhibiting TNF-α responses during septic shock. The inhibition of TNF-α production seems to be correlated with increased intracellular cAMP levels. PTX also affects the production of other cytokines such as IL-1, IL-6, IL-10, IL-12, and IFN-γ. However, inhibition, as well as enhancement of cytokine production, has been observed in vitro, depending on the PTX concentration and cell type used.

IL-12 is a heterodimeric cytokine that plays an important role in the development of Th1-mediated inflammatory responses. IL-12 along with TNF-α and other proinflammatory cytokines has shown to be responsible for the pathological reaction, which may lead to septic shock. For biological activity, the expression of both subunits of IL-12, p35 and p40, is required. Moreover, the p40 chain of IL-12 specifically inhibits the effects of the IL-12 heterodimer.

In this study, we investigated the effects of PTX on the production of both proinflammatory (TNF-α, IL-6, IL-12) and anti-inflammatory (IL-10) cytokines by murine macrophages (Mφ). We have found that PTX, at concentrations below 100 μg/ml, selectively inhibited the production of TNF-α. Forskolin, a cAMP-elevating agent, similarly affected the production of the cytokines tested. However, at higher concentrations, PTX inhibited the production of TNF-α, IL-10, and IL-12 p35, but surprisingly, PTX enhanced the production of IL-12 p40. Concentrations of IL-10 were negatively correlated with the concentrations of IL-12 p40 subunit. These results further confirm the relevance of the use of PTX in clinical trials of immunological disorders characterised by inappropriate Th1 type immune responses.

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Posted 29 January 2011 - 10:48 AM

Pentoxifylline (PTX) is a potent inhibitor of connective tissue growth factor

http://jasn.asnjourn...9/2702.abstract

correlation between CTGF gene expression and skin sclerosis

http://www.nature.co...s/5610562a.html


OF COURSE CHECK IT WITH YOUR DOCTOR (THIS IS NOT A SUGGESTION NOR A PRESCTIPTION)

Edited by brunotto, 29 January 2011 - 10:56 AM.


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Posted 29 January 2011 - 09:02 PM

Thanks for the info, I just got my 23andMe results and Promethease showed 4.5x increased myopathy risk for statin use , so i'll be avoiding statins. Pentoxifylline looks interesting.

Edited by innercore, 29 January 2011 - 09:02 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2011 - 01:35 PM

Thanks for the info, I just got my 23andMe results and Promethease showed 4.5x increased myopathy risk for statin use , so i'll be avoiding statins. Pentoxifylline looks interesting.


Pravastatin being the less liphophil one looks to be one the safest statins... anyway you have to compare stains with drugs like methotrexate, ciclosporine or humira or corthicosteroids... (they look like water in contrast)... so it' always to understand how much damage they can cause and how much they can avoid.

But of course some risk is there... q10 supplementation is a MUST (IMHO) taking statins.

Trental is a recent discovery also for me... I'm gonna try it.

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 03:29 PM

A nice bonus...

Evidence that pioglitazone, metformin and pentoxifylline are inhibitors of glycation
http://linkinghub.el...009898100003272

Another one...

there are some reports coming from occidental and russian authors about a wider range of antiviral activity of PTX. Amvros’eva et. al reported PTX inhibition of the in vitro replication of several
viruses [2]: the drug demonstrated its activity against 8 viruses of 7 families. It was highly active against 5 viruses: herpes simplex virus (including its acyclovirresistant strain), vaccinia virus (including its methisazone-resistant strain), rotavirus and tick-borne encephalitis virus. As regards other viruses, its activity was less pronounced (hepatitis JA virus) or low (vesicular stomatitis
virus, West Nile virus).

It has also been reported the use of PTX on 94 patients aged 18–65 suffering from hepatitis A or B running a moderate course [3]. PTX produced a positive action on lipid peroxidation, liver size, jaundice duration. Hospital stay of the patients were reduced.

Different authors have demonstrated the PTX ability to inhibit HIV replication in vitro by involvement of NFkappaB and NFAT nuclear transcription factors among other mechanisms [4–6]. Clerici et al. reported reduction of plasma HIV viremia in asymptomatic patients [7].

However, there is one single report on PTX increasing human Cytomegalovirus replication [8].

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 03:41 PM

Oral Pentoxifylline Inhibits Release of Tumor Necrosis Factor-Alpha from Human Peripheral Blood Monocytes
A Potential Treatment for Aseptic Loosening of Total Joint Components
Paul F. Pollice, MD, Randy N. Rosier, MD, PhD, R. John Looney, MD, J. Edward Puzas, PhD, Edward M. Schwarz, PhD and Regis J. O’Keefe, MD, PhD
Investigation performed at the University of Rochester Medical Center, Rochester, New York
Paul F. Pollice, MD
Randy N. Rosier, MD, PhD
R. John Looney, MD
J. Edward Puzas, PhD
Edward M. Schwarz, PhD
Regis J. O’Keefe, MD, PhD
Department of Orthopaedics (P.F.P., R.N.R., J.E.P., E.M.S., and R.J.O’K.), Box 665, and Department of Medicine (R.J.L.), University of Rochester Medical Center, 601 Elmwood Avenue, Rochester, NY 14642. E-mail address for R.J. O’Keefe: regis_okeefe@urmc.rochester.edu

One or more of the authors may receive benefits for personal or professional use from a commercial party related directly or indirectly to the subject of this article. Two of the authors hold a United States patent for the use of phosphodiesterase inhibitors to prevent inflammatory bone resorption. There are no current commercial interests and there have been no discussions or relationships with commercial parties concerning this. P.F. Pollice was awarded a 2000 American Orthopaedic Association/Zimmer Resident Travel Award for this work. The work was supported by Public Health Service Awards AR46545 (R.J.O’K.) and AR44220 (R.J.O’K.) from the National Institutes of Health.


Background: Pentoxifylline (Trental) is a methylxanthine-derivative drug that has been used for more than twenty years in the treatment of peripheral vascular disease. Pentoxifylline is also a potent inhibitor of tumor necrosis factor-alpha (TNF-) secretion, both in vitro and in vivo, and has demonstrated efficacy in the treatment of certain animal and human inflammatory diseases. Pentoxifylline has a potential therapeutic role in the treatment of aseptic loosening of total joint replacement components because it inhibits TNF- secretion by particle-stimulated human peripheral blood monocytes. The purpose of our study was to determine whether the particle-stimulated secretion of TNF- by peripheral blood monocytes was inhibited in volunteers who had received pentoxifylline orally.

Methods: Human peripheral blood monocytes were harvested from eight healthy volunteers and were exposed to three different concentrations of titanium particles or to 500 ng/mL of lipopolysaccharide as a positive control. The same volunteers were then given pentoxifylline (400 mg, five times per day) for seven days. Their peripheral blood monocytes were again isolated and exposed to experimental conditions, and the TNF- levels were measured.

Results: The peripheral blood monocytes from all eight volunteers showed a significant reduction in TNF- release following oral treatment with pentoxifylline. This reduction was observed at exposures of 107 and 106 titanium particles/mL and in the lipopolysaccharide-treated group, but not at 105 particles/mL.

Conclusions: To our knowledge, this is the first study to demonstrate the ability of an oral drug to decrease the release of TNF- from human peripheral blood monocytes exposed ex vivo to particle debris. TNF- is involved in the pathogenesis of osteolysis and subsequent loosening of total joint arthroplasty components. The ability to suppress the release of TNF- in patients with a total joint replacement may help to control osteolysis and to reduce the development of aseptic loosening. This effect could increase implant longevity and decrease the need for revision arthroplasty.



http://www.ejbjs.org...tract/83/7/1057

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 01:07 PM

Lost my original email and password, so updating this with a new account..


Updates to supplement regimen:

Changed Curcumin BCM-95 to Meriva
Increased Vitamin D to 10,000 UI aiming for 70 ng/nl
Added Green Tea extract

Discovered I have rs11650354 CC indicates IL-6 and TNFα is higher (TH1).

Looking for ways to lower ICAM-1, ELAM-1 and class II MHC molecule expressions and drive TH2 up.

Any ideas?

Edited by Inka, 29 May 2011 - 01:09 PM.


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