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[Humanescence]

I brought a few KG of ALCAR from Smart Powder and it does not smell like the one I already have, It smell a lot like vinegar, maybe the other one smelled like that before I left it in the open.

I purchased this so I would have years of stock.
The expiry date is , 4/7/11 so that is in ~40 day. !!! ??? (lot# :spalcr1k0211)

I would like to know, What will happen to it once it expire ?

Thank you

[aLurker]

Is the expiry date on your recently received ALCAR only 40 days away?! Or were you talking about your previous ALCAR. I was considering buying some more ALCAR from smartpowders since I'm running low so I'd like to know.

My ALCAR smelled like vinegar when it was fresh, now it smells different somehow though, a little worse actually. You might want to vacuum seal your ALCAR if possible or at least reduce the amount of air exposure it gets. No idea if it affects the quality/effect but it at least seems to affect the smell.

[KimberCT]

I also "overbought" ALCAR from SP (actually, 1fast400 at the time). I ended up taking it over a year after it had expired with no ill effects. IIRC, it did smell a bit more potent after moisture had gotten to it and it started clumping pretty bad.

[Humanescence]

Yes the expiry is 40day from the day I got it,

I hurried up and made an order before Dec 30, as the promo was supposedly ending. Now, in fact the promo is still on.

I remember having brought CoQ10 from vitacost that was to expire in 6 month at ~10% the cost, But I would never had brought this at 30% rebate knowing the date.
Buying expired stuff at 30% is far from a "deal".

I also brought a few bag of gello caps that are also expiring 3/11, That, I care a less, but still !!!

IIRC, it did smell a bit more potent after moisture had gotten to it and it started clumping pretty bad.

Well, the one I had, I could smell "something" from up-close but this one, I can't stand it from 2-3 feet away. It's like having one's nose straight in a vinegar container.

The drums of ALCAR I have are all clogged inside as one block, That make me wonder if it has been exposed to air/ moisture. I think I will open them them and dry them overtime with desiccant, then seal them back, maybe freeze them ?
I will leave one open and see if the odor end up matching the one I had, ,,,
But for now, I don't trust these at all, I wonder how I could I have them tested by a lab.

DAMN,,, I just looked for the date under my old ALCAR, It expire 1/13/12 and I brought it ~8 month ago... !!! It was a 500g .... the 500g I just received ALSO expire on 4/17/11

To sum up :

Alcar 500g purchased in April 2010 expire in Feb 2012
Alcar 500g purchased in Jan 2011 expire in March 2011
This is not very smart... Stupid Powder I would say... !!!

Edited by Humanescence, 28 January 2011 - 02:18 AM.

[iago]

Have you actually contacted Smart Powders? I've found Mike to be pretty cooperative when something goes wrong.

Incidentally, I've always bought my ALCAR from Nutrabio. It's a bit more pricey, but it's usually very fresh and very high quality. Check for their stuff on ebay. Sometimes you can find free shipping offers on ebay.

Edited by iago, 06 February 2011 - 07:04 PM.

[Humanescence]

Have you actually contacted Smart Powders? I've found Mike to be pretty cooperative when something goes wrong.

Incidentally, I've always bought my ALCAR from Nutrabio. It's a bit more pricey, but it's usually very fresh and very high quality. Check for their stuff on ebay. Sometimes you can find free shipping offers on ebay.

I did contact him vaguely about it. -no answer ... I'll more likely going to have it tested by a lab.
Also I think we can all read expiry dates, I don't know we could do about it, It cost about 90$ to ship this, so returning it is out of question.

How do you go about rating ; freshness, quality, ect of ALCAR ?
The crystals are not visible on the new batch, like sodium bicarbonate. unlike the older one, (witch is in fact, much newer, by the date)
I might as well order from your source and use it as a reference.

[Mike M]

No doubt that products should have been picked in exp date order. For whatever reason they weren't. We're removing all material that's within 6 months of any expiration date. No excuse on my end, I simply had no idea the material was at that point. I've been heavily vested in another project and the guys I have running SP obviously let some things slip. Shoot me an email: My65cuda@aol.com. I'll refund you on the alcar.

The sale had nothing to do with trying to get rid of bad product at all. Sorry for the issues.

Mike

[FortFun]

"The sale had nothing to do with trying to get rid of bad product at all."

I'd take that comment with a grain of salt...

[Mike M]

Of course you would fort. You're only purpose for posting on this board has been to attack my company with baseless comments. Wonder which company you work for since you constantly attack me.

[mikeinnaples]

Of course you would fort. You're only purpose for posting on this board has been to attack my company with baseless comments. Wonder which company you work for since you constantly attack me.

I don't know you or him and I don't care about your feud. However, his comment is fairly stated as it is extremely healthy for a consumer to have a healthy dose of skepticism when it comes to something like this.

[Mike M]

Not caring about the feud means you can't put his comments into context. Fort has spent months going around bashing anything dealing with smartpowders. He's made up countless lies, has no clue what he's talking about. It has been proven many times. I have a decade of feedback about my business practices. I have no issues standing on that. I don't hide behind a fake name, like fort.

[FortFun]

Mike M: "Not caring about the feud means you can't put his comments into context. Fort has spent months going around bashing anything dealing with smartpowders. He's made up countless lies, has no clue what he's talking about. It has been proven many times. I have a decade of feedback about my business practices. I have no issues standing on that. I don't hide behind a fake name, like fort."

You are so full of it. There's about 8 lies in this statement alone.

Funny, I still have plenty of sources for piracetam. Guess that FDA ban applied only to you....as we all knew it would...

[Mike M]

People sell cocaine on street corners every day, does that make it legal?

[Humanescence]

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Edited by Humanescence, 21 March 2011 - 07:18 PM.

[Humanescence]

No doubt that products should have been picked in exp date order. For whatever reason they weren't. We're removing all material that's within 6 months of any expiration date. No excuse on my end, I simply had no idea the material was at that point. I've been heavily vested in another project and the guys I have running SP obviously let some things slip. Shoot me an email: My65cuda@aol.com. I'll refund you on the alcar.

The sale had nothing to do with trying to get rid of bad product at all. Sorry for the issues.

Mike

I sent you 3 emails, months apart and two PM here. No reply...

Edited by Humanescence, 08 April 2011 - 06:48 AM.

[EMP]

I ordered a number of products from them and they have been delivered in 7 days exactly from the US to Europe. Very fast and smooth process. I am a little disappointed with the expiration date though: less than a year for the ALCAR as well. Not as bad as the OP, but 11 months is not exactly much either. I used to buy Doctor's best brand, which has an expiration date of some two years. The odor of the ALCAR is very strong, stronger than Doctor's best brand, but can't comment on the quality yet. Will report later.

[Ark]

Sorry Highjack the thread, but I have a question for SP any of mikes accounts can answer no problem. Which Ractams is the FDA banning this year BUDDY!

[Cephalon]

I also want to defend Smartpowders at that point. I placed several order with them over a three year period and never had any issues with expiration dates, quality, service, shipping time+rates, communication etc.
It must have been an unwilling mistake as Mike stated. The people that run his customer service & shipping do a good job in my experiance.

[Humanescence]

I'd say ~90% of the 350$ order was within 3 months of expiry date, I got a 65$ refund.

For the record:

Me : What is 65$ based on ? There is 117$ of alcar alone.

I looked at what you had highlighted and refunded that part

My main concern was about alcar,As it's not only expired but also very different to what I last purchased from you.

I've refunded a good portion of your order with no product being sent back. I think what I have offered is more than fair.

What would you do with it anyway ? Could I post a video unsealing the alcar and flushing it in the toilet ??? As I said THE main concern is alcar ... And the fact that you did not anwser the last 3 email months ago.

It would go to horses. They mega dose alcar to prevent a neuro disease.
You got more than half your money back on alcar. You know the material is good at least a year past exp. Not like it instantly goes bad at once. It will lose 2.5-4% a year.

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I'd like to add that I got to pay 53$ taxes/customs to get the package although I had requested my shipment to be sent as "gift",
He told me the option was not there anymore because they were now all being sent as gift.

He has costly shipping, is unreliable, doesn't hold his promise, doesn't seams to care about safety of his product..at all ! ............. I am not going to consume his Alcar and might never order from him again.

Edited by Humanescence, 11 June 2011 - 04:44 AM.

[EMP]

I will neither order again from them. I've now taken their acetyl l-carnitine for two weeks and unfortunately it's not just the taste that differs from high-quality alcar. Unlike the alcar I usually order, this alcar tastes slightly salty and when taking it prior to workout it doesn't provide the same effect as that of other suppliers. Moreover, my skin has become more oily since using their alcar. Quite a coincidence considering that nothing else such as diet have changed.

I'd be really curious to see the results of a lab-test as I have serious doubts about the purity of their alcar, but I have little desire wasting even more money on it. According to Mike, they sell huge quantities without receiving any complaints, but the existence of this thread proves otherwise. In the future, I'm going to pay a little more to get stuff of which the quality is guaranteed.