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#1 Lazarus Long

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 12:57 PM


I have been wondering where many original topics have disappeared to. For example the original threads on Global Warming in the Global Threats area and other topics dating back to the very beginning are no where to be found.

I have been noticing that pruning takes place without records of actions other than 'sometimes' in the title and I think there is a loss of continuity due to this. Anyway as a Guardian this is the kind of issue I feel I am supposed to raise when I see it.

We need a better archival system and any thread that has a considerable contribution to it by multiple, or even singular members should not be 'canned' without review. Many old topics from the BJKlein forum and early Imminst could be archived under the Imminst section and referenced for content without having to duplicate many hours of effort. Was this loss of content intentional or consequential and is the present leadership aware it has been going on?

Some lost content I see has reappeared, photos for example (good work on that) but I am curious about whole threads, like the original ones on global warming and some political discussions that don't appear in the search function or a scan of the forum area.

It is bad enough that the organization of many discussion themes is haphazard and that pinning a topic is no longer very useful but the search engine still finds too much and too little.

By the way, what happened to the short lived experiment with similar thread search window?

One minute is was back and then after the crash it was gone.
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#2 caliban

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 01:09 PM

no topics have been lost in the upgrade or the server move. If you can't find a topic, this may be because the search functions are not 100% reliable.

'Similar topics' was one of the factors that may potentially be associated with the problems we were getting, so its off for now.

#3 Lazarus Long

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 03:46 PM

Well the original thread that I started on Global Warming back in '03 or earlier (the old BJKlein forum) does not appear to be either present or locatable with multiple search features and it was pretty extensive and had hundreds of posts from many members, charts, graphs and photos.

Could a thread like that have malfunctioned due to the number of associated files and not made the transfer?

I have noticed other threads that are replacements or repeats of topics we already had but the original content is nowhere to be found, nor is it merged in other threads that I have found.

#4 Lazarus Long

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 04:01 PM

For the record I went looking for this thread one page at a time in Global Risks and a few other areas as well without finding it. I didn't just rely on search engines. It still appears MIA.

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 04:08 PM

Could a thread like that have malfunctioned due to the number of associated files and not made the transfer?

No. Worst that could happen is that you would't be able to see the attachments anymore, the thread would still be here. If its a BJKlein thread, many were not copied over to imminst.


maybe find the thread on archive.org and take a sentence from that copy to search here?

#6 Lazarus Long

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 04:35 PM

The thread in question was originally copied from BJKlein but was active here for years. There were contributions in '08 and '09 that I remember along with considerable back and forth between Biknut and Platypus and others. What caught my attention was that if a thread of that level of prominence could disappear what else might have disappeared.

I will try Archive.org and Google cache etc but we need a better filing and archiving system because the site itself is becoming unwieldy and perhaps, unreliable.

I know that some threads have been consolidated but that should have merged chronologically so the earliest threads are still in order and usually that defaulted to the original thread starter.

Merging threads BTW is another reason that thread ownership is essentially a moot concept.

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 04:54 PM

Is this the thread you are looking for ?
Found via a google search, it's in politics and law.

http://www.longecity...global-warming/

#8 Lazarus Long

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 04:54 PM

I found it. It is buried in Politics but what is odd is how it doesn't show up in any search functions. I did find it through the Wayback machine on an archived topics page.

Global Warming

With a title like Global Warming it should be near the top of such a simple a specific topic search but instead its not there at all. Is the politics forum filtered or something?

#9 Lazarus Long

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 04:57 PM

Is this the thread you are looking for ?
Found via a google search, it's in politics and law.

http://www.longecity...global-warming/


Yes, and thanks. It looks like we were both on the chase at the same time but I am still curious about what it says about our search functions and archiving/indexing methods here that what should be simple is so hard.

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Posted 13 February 2011 - 04:59 PM

Yeah, the search is limited to threads started within the last year. I suspect this is too restrictive, and makes it less useful.




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