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[SE102]

And if the trip lasted 14 hours it was likely a psychedelic amphetamine, a DOx chemical.

I've used a handful of times, the trip can definitely last a while with effects tapering of into that range. Even after 8 hours you may see psychedelics as you try to sleep. But from the sound of the cognitive effects it doesn't seem like lsd at all.

Edited by SE102, 22 February 2011 - 11:58 AM.

[Spectre]

Mirtazapine (before bed) + Fish Oil + Sulbutiamine (in the morning)

Edited by Spectre, 22 February 2011 - 06:19 PM.

[owls]

I think the greatest misconception here is the belief that "brain damage" is directly associated to physical damage. While the brain is a physical structure, it represents a neural network. That neural network holds every information needed for the processing of inputs (ex visual stimuli) into their outputs (ex sight). A change in the iteration of the neurons will change the structure of the neural network. So you CAN cause brain damage without killing neurons, by rewiring them.

Also, the fact that there's no proof that LSD can kill neurons doesn't mean it can't. There's no proof it can't, also.

It's perfectly possible that LSD kills neurons (by overexcitation), that it damages the receptors it binds to, that it causes neurotransmitter imbalances or that it changes the structure of neural networks. Whatever is the case, LSD can change our brain's normal functioning for very long times in a way that is not psychologically related - even after a single dose. HPPD is the proof.

That is just my opnion. So, enough of that. Let's return to this topic's purpose that is helping me with my problem. I'm very interested in brain nutrients that can speed up my recovery of whatever went wrong. I mean, things to balance neurotransmitter levels and to help with neuronal growth etc. Can you guys help me?
Thanks in advance.

you're a control freak. plain and simple. you got arrogant and took LSD and it burned you

[TheRoyalFlush]

I'm 18 and 1 month ago I took 2 "LSD" blotters. Not sure it was LSD because it lasted 14h, had few visuals and affected my cognition in a way I was not expecting (I was completely numb, couldn't follow a conversation!). Since then I have HPPD - persistent visuals like double vision, absurd light sensitivity to glares, long lasting negative afterimages and about 0.5 seconds positive afterimages for everything. I also got several cognitive issues: I feel extremely lightheaded, sluggish and with brain fog, as if I'm sleepless, though I'm sleeping well. That horrible feeling of mental tiredness/retardness is on me 24/7 with no improvement. It's exactly like if some of the 'numbness' I had during the trip did not go away.

For instance, when I'm shopping, I have to make an abnormal effort to do things right. I have to actually think in what I'm doing like "OK now I wait on the queue... OK, now I talk to the attendant... OK now I pay...". Or when I'm talking to friends, I'm so slow I'm constantly asking them to repeat their statements, as if I didn't hear, so I can process the info and think in an answer. Otherwise I just can't follow the conversation.

This all is DESTROYING me to a point I'm turning suicidal. I have made an appointment with 2 doctors that had no idea of what I had and gave me random remedies. Do anyone here have any idea of what the hell happened to me, scientifically talking? Perhaps receptor damage? Neurotransmitter depletion? Neuronal death? Neural networks rewired? What can I do to be myself again?

Hey man,

Sorry to hear of your misfortune. I too feel I experienced negative effects after taking "dirty" lsd blotter. It really sucks when you feel like you ruined your life all because you wanted to have a little fun, I know the feeling.

The good news is things WILL GET BETTER. Not only will they get better, but you will be a STRONGER person because of it. Here's what I did to claw my way out....

1) Cultivate a positive attitude about the experience. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY CRUCIAL. What have you learned, and how will you use it to be a BETTER person?
2) Start a daily yoga and meditation regimen
3) Eat an overall more healthy diet, heavy on raw fruits and vegetables
4) Avoid ALL drugs for at least six months
5) Some herbs that helped me; Lions mane mushroom (takes awhile to start seeing results), ALCAR, Fish oil, Bacopa, ashwagandha

I've read some very positive experiences using melatonin for HPPD, so it probably wouldn't hurt to try that also.

Keep us posted!

Best wishes!

[juanjo_asdf]

I agree TheRoyalFlush.

I've had experiences similar to yours in the past. I spent one whole year out of wack. I know people that have separated themselves from reality completely for two whole months due to mushrooms. When recovery is settled in there was a common expereience of relief and of being able to live a very happy life just doing simple shit, treasure the simple shit, although be careful because with full recovery there might be relapses into the same destructive behaviour that took us there in the first place. Read and reflect on your journals through the experience often past the recovery period to see how far you have gone, and how much happiness there is in just being. When I review my journals I dare not complain about simple things in life.

IMO it's not so much physical brain damage as it is the states that you whent through during the experience. In a lot of accidents I've had with drugs it had more to do with the anxiety I went through rather than actual damage.

- Cultivating a positive frame to the experience and to the future. Anything you put yourself through you will adapt to eventually.
- Journal about your experience and about the lessons you are learning. I deeply learned that I could be happy just having a normal sort of life with emotional health, exercise, sharing with other people
- Stay away from drugs and other experience chases. Even stay away from people who do drugs.
- I went into social work or helping out people with disabilities. I was the quiet guy around there

I will go on a leap as to recomending you fast for a period of time. Detoxing and clensing the system. There are a lot of ways to fast


Ideas
- Write a recovery journal so other people can learn from your experience. Imagine that you going through this experience will help others go through it or avoid it. Be the big brother to these people show them how a lot of good can come out of it. Show them how positive you can be about the experience.
- I favor meditation to ground yourself, but others would favour prayer. You could learn relaxation tehniques. I would meditate three times a day throught the day to ground myself in the state.
- People are miserable being normal, believe me, there are a lot more people suffering than we care to think.
- This experience will give you a depth in charachter unlike none other. From great pain comes great inspiration and drive
- Read inspirational books: from cliches like "The Power of Now", "Loving What is" (Byron Katie), "When Things Fall Apart: Heart Advice for Difficult Times" (Pema Chodron), "Good Medicine: How to Turn Pain into Compassion With Tonglen Meditation" (Pema Chodron)
- Don't rely upon a substance to get you out of this. Rather know that it's going to be your own body that will naturally gravitate to balance and homeostasis. I went carzy with combinations of drugs only to find out that the cure was within.


My body chills reading stuff like yours, it resonates with me. I cannot save you but I deeply hear you with no judgement.

Edited by juanjo_asdf, 11 March 2011 - 08:57 AM.

[kikai93]

There is almost no way that you ingested a drug other than LSD on blotter paper. This is because the dosages for LSD are around the 100 microgram range and almost all other drugs of psychedelic effect have dosages 1000X greater than LSD. Essentially, it is not possible to fit enough PCP or psilocybin onto an area the size of a blotter paper that would cause threshold effects. My guess is that you ingested LSD and had a difficult experience. One problem with non-clinical administration of LSD is that the dosages are not standardized so that knowing you took two blotters does not say anything about dose. You may have consumed a massive dose without knowing it, and therefore experienced something that you are having trouble dealing with. It is a good idea to avoid LSD in the near future, and give your psyche time to integrate. FYI, there are no known reports throughout 60+ years of research indicating that LSD causes any type of cell death whatsoever. The problem with LSD comes from chronic administration of high doses to individuals with underlying predisposition towards psychiatric illness. Something that may help you is trying to convince yourself that LSD did not "fry your brain". Many people get it in their heads that LSD causes irreversible brain damage from single uses and this becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. There has been a lot of exciting research as of late into medical applications of LSD, specifically by the Harvard School of Medicine's department of psychiatry. Try reading some true science about LSD and this may help you become convinced that LSD is not a "melter of brains". Unless you end up making LSD trips a weekly thing, you should be able to put all this behind very soon.

Your actually quite wrong. Tons of new chemicals are able to fit onto blotter. bromo d-fly, DOB, DOC, DOI, other DO-X chemicals., 5-meo-amt, and many others.

Add to that that a threshold dose of PCP can be as little as 1-3mg. 3mg is small enough to fit onto a 1/4inch square of some forms of blotter paper.
The psychopharmacological posturing is absolutely certain not to do one thing though: help this kid. How about we all get over ourselves and offer relevant useful information?
Arguing over fine points is certain not to do anything beneficial for the OP. Whatever he took, the low dose isn't enough to cause permanent damage.
It is exceedingly likely, OP, that your symptoms will be short term or that they are self-manufactured by a frightened ego unwilling to integrate a powerful experience.
Learn to breathe right. Then learn to focus. Using substances as powerful as LSD is extremely unpredictable before mastering these basic skills, so avoid them in the meantime.

You're ok. You'll be ok. Just don't sabotage yourself.

[Delta Gamma]

I study pharmacology and all I can say is that while it does fit the duration of a LSD trip, though its on the longer side, it could be any one of the strange new highly potent hallucinogens on the market. Hell, I've seen a few conformationally constrained tryptamine analogs out there as well as a few novel classes based off of a phenethylamine backbone. While rare they could be the case, though arguing over what exact compound cause this poster's breakdown isn't really productive as we have no method of confirming anything.

I'm 18 and 1 month ago I took 2 "LSD" blotters. Not sure it was LSD because it lasted 14h, had few visuals and affected my cognition in a way I was not expecting (I was completely numb, couldn't follow a conversation!). Since then I have HPPD - persistent visuals like double vision, absurd light sensitivity to glares, long lasting negative afterimages and about 0.5 seconds positive afterimages for everything. I also got several cognitive issues: I feel extremely lightheaded, sluggish and with brain fog, as if I'm sleepless, though I'm sleeping well. That horrible feeling of mental tiredness/retardness is on me 24/7 with no improvement. It's exactly like if some of the 'numbness' I had during the trip did not go away.

Occipital lobe modulation could explain the after images, any visual snow?

For instance, when I'm shopping, I have to make an abnormal effort to do things right. I have to actually think in what I'm doing like "OK now I wait on the queue... OK, now I talk to the attendant... OK now I pay...". Or when I'm talking to friends, I'm so slow I'm constantly asking them to repeat their statements, as if I didn't hear, so I can process the info and think in an answer. Otherwise I just can't follow the conversation.

This all is DESTROYING me to a point I'm turning suicidal

Tired, difficulty focusing, low mood -> fried limbic system.

My suggestion is for a few days try taking 15mg of DXM to see if it does anything for you. Some of your symptoms sound like you have severe upregulation of NMDA receptors in certain brain regions, also the SRI properties of DXM may be of some benefit for you.

[gcurrie]

I'm 18 and 1 month ago I took 2 "LSD" blotters. Not sure it was LSD because it lasted 14h, had few visuals and affected my cognition in a way I was not expecting (I was completely numb, couldn't follow a conversation!). Since then I have HPPD - persistent visuals like double vision, absurd light sensitivity to glares, long lasting negative afterimages and about 0.5 seconds positive afterimages for everything. I also got several cognitive issues: I feel extremely lightheaded, sluggish and with brain fog, as if I'm sleepless, though I'm sleeping well. That horrible feeling of mental tiredness/retardness is on me 24/7 with no improvement. It's exactly like if some of the 'numbness' I had during the trip did not go away.

For instance, when I'm shopping, I have to make an abnormal effort to do things right. I have to actually think in what I'm doing like "OK now I wait on the queue... OK, now I talk to the attendant... OK now I pay...". Or when I'm talking to friends, I'm so slow I'm constantly asking them to repeat their statements, as if I didn't hear, so I can process the info and think in an answer. Otherwise I just can't follow the conversation.

This all is DESTROYING me to a point I'm turning suicidal. I have made an appointment with 2 doctors that had no idea of what I had and gave me random remedies. Do anyone here have any idea of what the hell happened to me, scientifically talking? Perhaps receptor damage? Neurotransmitter depletion? Neuronal death? Neural networks rewired? What can I do to be myself again?

Having taken LSD over 50 times in the seventies, I am (or was - haven't taken LSD since 1977 and mushrooms since 1983) intimately familiar with the range of typical LSD effects. I was a guide for many others as well, so I was able to observe and hear about others' experiences too.

The 14h time frame is very typical of LSD. However, the lack of visual effects is extremely atypical - so much so that, of EVERYONE I ever spoke to about this, not ONE who took true LSD (as opposed to the hundreds of psychedelics available now) ever experienced LSD without visual effects.

I have no doubt whatsoever that you ingested something that was not LSD that produced very negative effects.

(By the way, those who say that 3 mg is too big to fit on a blotter need to get a scale that is accurate to sub-1 mg. Hint - they're pretty pricy. Good luck finding one under thousands of dollars.)

These days I would not trust LSD to be actually be LSD. Especially since the nation's largest manufacturing operation was busted a number of years ago. There are far too many chemicals that are more easily made that mimic some of the effects.

Regardless, you ought to discontinue any psychoactive substances. While you likely do not have permanent damage, you appear to have some sort of longer-term imbalance and need to correct that instead of continuing to ingest things that alter neurochemistry in unpredictable ways.

As far as doctors, you might try seeing a psychiatrist with knowledge of psychoactive drugs (legal and otherwise) and come clean. You can definitely heal this, but you may need expert, professional guidance.

[kikai93]

So niner, you say LSD won't cause any kind of brain damage. Are you saying that it won't damage the brain no matter how many times one does it? What about other drugs? I find it hard to believe that LSD is any different than drugs like cocaine, alcohol, and MDMA, which have been shown to have potential to damage the brain.

LSD is well tolerated and there is no evidence for long-lasting effects on the brain or other parts of the human organism, even at extreme doses. http://www.maps.org/...2008-passie.pdf

Everything you've heard about LSD causing brain damage, causing permanent psychotic states, causing people to think they're orange juice, causing people to behave violently, etc... is a lie. The worst experience with LSD will cause a discomfort that lasts a few days, generally brought on by a trip experience of extreme fear. That said, people can be talked out of bad trips and into good ones, so it is often helpful to have an individual attending who is not using, if you intend to. LSD tends to magnify the mental processes (such as thought and emotion) that you have going into it. So if you use LSD while worried about its effects, that worry will magnify into fear and you will have an experience meeting those expectations. By and large, LSD is one of the "safer" illegal drugs. Probably the worst danger with LSD is misadventure. (Under altered perceptions, you try to fly or some such) and these events tend to occur with heavy dosing.

The government dislikes LSD because of its role in the 60's counterculture and its use as an entheogen. The reported "dangers" are mostly propaganda and hype.

[kikai93]

Since then I have HPPD - persistent visuals like double vision, absurd light sensitivity to glares, long lasting negative afterimages and about 0.5 seconds positive afterimages for everything. I also got several cognitive issues: I feel extremely lightheaded, sluggish and with brain fog, as if I'm sleepless, though I'm sleeping well. That horrible feeling of mental tiredness/retardness is on me 24/7 with no improvement. It's exactly like if some of the 'numbness' I had during the trip did not go away. For instance, when I'm shopping, I have to make an abnormal effort to do things right. I have to actually think in what I'm doing like "OK now I wait on the queue... OK, now I talk to the attendant... OK now I pay...". Or when I'm talking to friends, I'm so slow I'm constantly asking them to repeat their statements, as if I didn't hear, so I can process the info and think in an answer. Otherwise I just can't follow the conversation.

This all sounds like the after-effects of something like 2C-I or DOB. Given your trip experience, I might point to DOB. In any case, you might want to see a psychiatrist to rule out organic disorder and a psychologist to rule out mental disorder. You may be subconsciously self-sabotaging due to fear, you may be experiencing real toxic effects from an LSD analogue, or your problems may be coincidental and caused by a very real problem like tumor.

[niner]

So niner, you say LSD won't cause any kind of brain damage. Are you saying that it won't damage the brain no matter how many times one does it? What about other drugs? I find it hard to believe that LSD is any different than drugs like cocaine, alcohol, and MDMA, which have been shown to have potential to damage the brain.

LSD is well tolerated and there is no evidence for long-lasting effects on the brain or other parts of the human organism, even at extreme doses. http://www.maps.org/...2008-passie.pdf

Everything you've heard about LSD causing brain damage, causing permanent psychotic states, causing people to think they're orange juice, causing people to behave violently, etc... is a lie. The worst experience with LSD will cause a discomfort that lasts a few days, generally brought on by a trip experience of extreme fear. That said, people can be talked out of bad trips and into good ones, so it is often helpful to have an individual attending who is not using, if you intend to. LSD tends to magnify the mental processes (such as thought and emotion) that you have going into it. So if you use LSD while worried about its effects, that worry will magnify into fear and you will have an experience meeting those expectations. By and large, LSD is one of the "safer" illegal drugs. Probably the worst danger with LSD is misadventure. (Under altered perceptions, you try to fly or some such) and these events tend to occur with heavy dosing.

The government dislikes LSD because of its role in the 60's counterculture and its use as an entheogen. The reported "dangers" are mostly propaganda and hype.

kikai, I tend to agree with you, as long as we're talking about clean LSD. I can't really speak to the safety of all the random chemicals that are out there being called LSD. "Brain Damage" is such a loaded term (no pun intended...); it brings up images of mentally incompetent people, slackjawed and drooling. LSD isn't going to do that. The brain is a complicated system, though. I've seen and heard too many reports of HPPD to give hallucinogens a full seal of approval. It's just another thing that you have to add to the equation when you're deciding whether or not to trip. On the one hand, a beautiful, mystical, possibly life-changing experience; on the other hand, a finite chance that your perception will be subtly or not-so-subtly altered for a long time, perhaps permanently. I hope that we can figure out how to minimize the likelihood of HPPD, if not cure it. I don't want to use the term "brain damage" for HPPD, but you could make a fair argument that something in the brain was damaged. I think that's probably what MorganM was getting at above.

[Destiny's Equation]

you're a control freak. plain and simple. you got arrogant and took LSD and it burned you

Perhaps owls needs to go back to debate class 101: attack the idea, not the person.

[randy909]

You might want to try Piracetam. I read on bluelight.ru that people use it to "reset" their built-up tolerance to LSD. I'm just guessing but if Piracetam does something to the brain to clear someone's tolerance to LSD then it might be either flushing something or restoring something more quickly than what the brain would normally do on its own.

Just a wild guess but I thought it would be worth a shot.

Your brain is fine, btw - two hits is *not* going to ruin it. I've done my share of LSD and I've always come out OK. Some trips can stick with you for a while though, even months. It goes away eventually, I promise

[GetOutOfBox]

Old thread I know, but I thought I'd post some info that might help people with similar problems. First of all, it's very possible that the substance the OP ingested was not LSD (and is perhaps likely it was not due to the severity of effects which are fairly rare with LSD in patients without a history of psychotic tendencies). There are several substances which can be put on blotter paper with LSD-like effects. The most common subsitutes are the NBOME analogues of the 2C-X series (i.e 25i-NBOME, 25c-NBOME), they are frequently sold as LSD due to the much much lower cost associated with their production and similar acute effects. They have EXTREMELY potent binding affinity for various serotonin receptors, much more so than LSD (a single use often causes tolerance to all serotonergic psychadelics for up to 2 weeks), as such one tab is often more than enough to trip hard. Even worse, people are often accustomed to double dosing acid (or even more outlandish doses like 6 tabs), and thus are getting wayyyy more than they need. As research into effects remaining in the long term after using them is pretty scarce, it's hard to tell whether they are more likely to cause HPPD/Psychosis than LSD or shrooms. I'd guess they are more likely to cause negative after effects, as increased serotonin activation means more of a chance of de-stabilizing the serotonergic circuit (causing an imbalance in receptor densities), and also means greater downstream release of glutamate in the prefrontal cortex during the duration of the drug's effects. That in turn means increased LTP (Long Term Potentiation) of abnormal neural behavior (in plain english it means the altered brain activity during the drug use is reinforced in the long term to a greater degree, meaning greater persisting effects).

Either way, my suggestion as to a treatment is the same. I'd suggest supplementing bacopa daily for at least two months (at 1000 mg for a 20% concentration extract), as well as Noopept (10-20 mg twice a day), and Rhodiola Rosea (100 mg once daily). Drink milk or eat a fatty snack with the bacopa and rhodiola to allow for effective absorption. The bacopa helps to increase serotonin release to possibly counteract a deficit (possibly caused by excessive autoreceptor activation by the psychadelic). It also has a bunch of positive effects on memory that manifest after a month or two of usage. The Noopept will help to encourage neural flexibility, promoting the release of NGF and BDNF. Ideally this will increase the rate at which the brain resets to "normal" neuralcircuitry. The Rhodiola rosea alters the expression of several serotonin receptor subsets, and may help to restore a normal balance (downregulating 5-HT3A which is associated with causing anxiety, and upregulating 5-HT1A which when activated decreases aggression, increases socialability, etc). Rhodiola also has nice anti-stress effects, though you may develop tolerance to some of it's acute effects. Don't worry, the serotonin receptor effects should still persist. Abstain from all unnecessary drugs for at least a couple of months during this time, you want your brain to "re-wire" itself for normal brain activity.

In the future, always make sure you get things like acid from a reliable source. It's easy to substitute a cheaper research chemical for it on the blotter paper, and a lot of dealers have no scruples in selling it as the real thing. Always underestimate the dose just to be safe, and take some more after an hour if you're still not tripping hard enough. Ideally you should test the first blotter from a new dealer with a reagent test (easily legally purchasable online) to confirm that he or she is selling the real thing. Avoid substances like MDMA (aka M, Molly, sometimes E) and methamphetamine as they WILL cause permanent brain alterations. It is not a question of "if" with them, but "when". They are neurotoxic and thus cause progressive brain damage with repeated use (one time is unlikely to cause persisting effects, but it's not unheard of). Repeated heavy use of ketamine can also produce brain abnormalities, but that's usually only with people who constantly dose themselves with it (using it a couple of times a weekend is unlikely to cause persisting effects). Those 3 are the main ones to be careful with. There are also a lot of research chems that are very risky that should be avoided. Stick with weed, shrooms, LSD and you should be ok, as long as you put some space between trips.

[Bateau]

There is almost no way that you ingested a drug other than LSD on blotter paper. This is because the dosages for LSD are around the 100 microgram range and almost all other drugs of psychedelic effect have dosages 1000X greater than LSD.

Just have to state that the ^above statement^ is NOT TRUE, but the following is:

it's very possible that the substance the OP ingested was not LSD (and is perhaps likely it was not due to the severity of effects which are fairly rare with LSD in patients without a history of psychotic tendencies). There are several substances which can be put on blotter paper with LSD-like effects. The most common subsitutes are the NBOME analogues of the 2C-X series (i.e 25i-NBOME, 25c-NBOME), they are frequently sold as LSD due to the much much lower cost associated with their production and similar acute effects. They have EXTREMELY potent binding affinity for various serotonin receptors, much more so than LSD (a single use often causes tolerance to all serotonergic psychadelics for up to 2 weeks), as such one tab is often more than enough to trip hard. Even worse, people are often accustomed to double dosing acid (or even more outlandish doses like 6 tabs), and thus are getting wayyyy more than they need. As research into effects remaining in the long term after using them is pretty scarce, it's hard to tell whether they are more likely to cause HPPD/Psychosis than LSD or shrooms. I'd guess they are more likely to cause negative after effects, as increased serotonin activation means more of a chance of de-stabilizing the serotonergic circuit (causing an imbalance in receptor densities), and also means greater downstream release of glutamate in the prefrontal cortex during the duration of the drug's effects. That in turn means increased LTP (Long Term Potentiation) of abnormal neural behavior (in plain english it means the altered brain activity during the drug use is reinforced in the long term to a greater degree, meaning greater persisting effects).

Either way, my suggestion as to a treatment is the same. I'd suggest supplementing bacopa daily for at least two months (at 1000 mg for a 20% concentration extract), as well as Noopept (10-20 mg twice a day), and Rhodiola Rosea (100 mg once daily). Drink milk or eat a fatty snack with the bacopa and rhodiola to allow for effective absorption. The bacopa helps to increase serotonin release to possibly counteract a deficit (possibly caused by excessive autoreceptor activation by the psychadelic). It also has a bunch of positive effects on memory that manifest after a month or two of usage. The Noopept will help to encourage neural flexibility, promoting the release of NGF and BDNF. Ideally this will increase the rate at which the brain resets to "normal" neuralcircuitry. The Rhodiola rosea alters the expression of several serotonin receptor subsets, and may help to restore a normal balance (downregulating 5-HT3A which is associated with causing anxiety, and upregulating 5-HT1A which when activated decreases aggression, increases socialability, etc). Rhodiola also has nice anti-stress effects, though you may develop tolerance to some of it's acute effects. Don't worry, the serotonin receptor effects should still persist. Abstain from all unnecessary drugs for at least a couple of months during this time, you want your brain to "re-wire" itself for normal brain activity.

In the future, always make sure you get things like acid from a reliable source. It's easy to substitute a cheaper research chemical for it on the blotter paper, and a lot of dealers have no scruples in selling it as the real thing. Always underestimate the dose just to be safe, and take some more after an hour if you're still not tripping hard enough. Ideally you should test the first blotter from a new dealer with a reagent test (easily legally purchasable online) to confirm that he or she is selling the real thing. Avoid substances like MDMA (aka M, Molly, sometimes E) and methamphetamine as they WILL cause permanent brain alterations. It is not a question of "if" with them, but "when". They are neurotoxic and thus cause progressive brain damage with repeated use (one time is unlikely to cause persisting effects, but it's not unheard of). Repeated heavy use of ketamine can also produce brain abnormalities, but that's usually only with people who constantly dose themselves with it (using it a couple of times a weekend is unlikely to cause persisting effects). Those 3 are the main ones to be careful with. There are also a lot of research chems that are very risky that should be avoided. Stick with weed, shrooms, LSD and you should be ok, as long as you put some space between trips.

Also agree with the suggestion of Bacopa and rhodiola. Noopept is a clever suggestion, but Im personally weary of the stuff. A little understudied for how potent the stuff can be. Maybe some gotu kola or some muira puama. Both are potent 'nerve tonics' with tons of traditional use. Maybe some CDP choline with uridine and fish/krill oil.

Edited by Bateau, 14 January 2014 - 06:25 PM.

[alessandro gabber]

Hello VictorMaia, i have been in the same / or similar situation. How is now? If you want i tell all my situation.

 

[Flex]

Regarding LSD I found this:

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/23333599

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/14598016

http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/21276828

 

But I really dont want to encourage You to do experiments with Your Brain.

So better approach to those informations rather careful and conservative instead "hot blooded"

 

I cant tell You for now any mglu2 antagonists. I only know that Acetyl Carnitine increases mglu2 which is the opposite of the desired effect.

But as allready told, Mitrazepine or Trazodone "should" help You for now.

 

Keep Your Head up.

Wish You the Best

 

Edit:

- Just saw that the Guy on this thread had good experiences with Acetyl Carnitine !?

http://www.longecity...rough-drug-use/

 

- Try to annoy the Doctors or go to an Emergency and tell them that the other Docs wont help and You are a bit despared etc..

then they "should" treat You.

 

 

Edited by Flex, 05 May 2014 - 05:02 AM.

[Jeoshua]

Unfortunately, the original poster 3 years ago has posted a description of effects completely unlike LSD. There have been many comments on this thread speculating what it might actually have been, as there are many drugs sold on the black market that have effects unlike LSD but nonetheless are sold as such. Suggestions based on LSD are not likely to be helpful to the original poster, who unfortunately has not been seen in quite a while.

This doesn't stop people from associating this persons mistaken non-LSD trip for an actual story about LSD, which is quite unfortunate. Overall, this was a terrible thing to happen to someone looking to experiment with drugs, and it's very unfortunate, but speculation about possible treatments cannot be truly made without knowing the exact chemical compound ingested. The OP is less than forthcoming on that front, given that they did not know what they really took, and are not around to talk about it, seemingly.

[Keizo]

Not having used LSD myself, but comparing my experiences with 4-ho-met (psilocin analouge)... The differences between individual 'trips' of the very same content can be enormous. The numb feeling reminds me of one time I took 65mg of said substance (high dose), and the trip never took off (poor visuals, no clarity). It felt like a dull ache in many ways, and indeed numbness.

I have heard of this happening to others more experienced with different psychedelics (I have only specifically read about it regarding 4-ho-met, that being my interest at the time, but I have seen general references being made). Fairly particular descriptions. I assume the same thing is possible with LSD. I only ever had one 500mg bag of 4-ho-met to start with. Some exotic contamination would seem more unlikely than a fluke effect.

As such I don't really see why it wouldn't be LSD, given the description.

 

As a point of interest some of the after-effects described by the TS relating to slow cognition, tiredness,  an over active stress-response, are similar to what I experienced after quitting benzodiazepines. Very similar descriptions in fact. Visual problems aside.

Interestingly HPPD (and certainly benzo-WD) could be greatly ameliorated by benzodiazepines, and perhaps other compounds (less detrimental) with various effects on GABA. Bacopa has already been mentioned, Cerebrolysin could also help the GABA system and more.

 

(Other details just FYI: I have used amphetamines in large doses, on a few occasions. This as well as 4-ho-met was long before I used benzo regularly. No long-term problems observed with either, but only benzo. )

Edited by Keizo, 05 May 2014 - 08:35 AM.

[NotoriousPyro]

LSD is less toxic to the human body than WATER http://www.longecity..._DIR#/happy.gif

Sorry for the old bump, but I had to dispel this ridiculous statement. Water makes up a majority of our total mass, the equivalent in LSD is deadly. You would quickly die from 1g of LSD, probably from a seizure.

[gamesguru]

Sounds more like DOB or dragonfly.

 

These hit on different receptors than LSD, and cause different cellular cascades than LSD (perhaps more damaging or permanent ones).  But trying to generalize, the problem could come down to downregulated autoreceptors, and one would want serotonin and dopamine antagonists to resolve such an issue.

 

 

And I'm leaning toward the permanently damaging cellular cascades, cause even LSD doesn't cause such effects (not typically at least) from one or two doses... it takes months of twice weekly dosing to cause this kind of downregulation, but there at least, unlike DOB, we have some idea of which receptors are downregulated (mostly serotonin and dopamine):

[Evarrriste]

Any update on your condition Victor? 

Been reading through this thread, namely because I am in the same pickle as Victor. Severe brain fog symptoms, diminished cognition/concentration, nerve pain, poor vision, and more, seemingly after 2 tabs of acid. 

Curious to see if any light has been found at the end of the tunnel. Looking for the light myself. 

Thanks.

[gamesguru]

i can't say what i would have been like if i'd never done drugs.  my hunch is a little healthier.  however, i was already a bit shy and moody as a child.  but i can't deny all those ten strips and dank eighters did not dig my anchors in deeper still; the more aversed to social learning, the more inattentive and maladjusted i became with each unjustified excursion.  as my tolerance escalated, the comedown state slowly became my resting state.  plowing ahead into uncharted territory, i was slowly but surely getting wonked out on the family fluff.

 

i became very fond of the joker.  i had the attention span of a squirrel, the decisiveness of a fourth grader and the intelligibility of an 18th century German idealist.  everywhere i went i felt alienated and turned away by things, i dropped out of university and struggled to hold down the shittiest of jobs. i won staring contests with walls. the carpet swirled like a storm on Jupiter, and elevator music got stuck in my head like Hemingway quotes.  i wasn't god but i sometimes now thought i was.  i felt just generally more depressed and anxious, lazy and tired; if i cracked my back i became irritable and despondent

 

 

 

these are effects i am still partially dealing with 3 years down the road.  i have only my experience to go by; i don't know any other heavy heads.  i can say it's wicked stuff, so is the "soft" herb trust me.. people these days seem to have completely lost respect for the finest mind altering agents, well surely it will catch up with them.  it already has, they just have yet to notice it.  i know it took me a while and i'm supposed to be a clever son of a bytch

 

i spent a lot of time drinking japanese tea, hiking in the forest, pausing only to meditate.  i exercised like no one else and became a nutrient tracking machine, i can tell you how much molybdenum is on a plate of food through a pair of blindfolds just by smelling it.  it's ridiculous how well i eat, i shouldn't be having shoulder pains on a diet like this, sigh...  but anyways, no matter how well i took care of myself, the hppd symptoms never seemed to abate.  only thing that seemed to help was reducing cannabis consumption to a reasonable rate, dosing up with rhodiola, magnesium and the works.  i had already read in the literature that hppd is thought to be virtually exclusive to polydrug groups, but the problem is you rarely see in practice people dabbling psychedelics who aren't already fond of weed.  weed is really a gateway drug (but to softer stuff, whereas alcohol leads to painkillers and harder stuff), and so these pure lsd populations are something of a fiction.  a lot of e-tards will annoyingly use this as a chance to affirm the innocence of their rat poison, and pass to cannabis the hot potato of existential blame