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[Cephalon]

Hi Scott,

Thank you very much for your help!
You gave good suggestions, and I will do my little research on them and adjust my diet slowly.
I guess my diet is not kind of toxic, that it will cause harm if I do not react immediately
My protein intake is actually prety low. First I thought I'd need to up my intake through shakes&so,
but as we know current research indicates low protein is the way to go now. Low protein, low carb, low fat
Or better, low protein (specially methionine and cysteine), low& right carbs (fiber, afew complex carbs), low & balanced fats.

I'm afraid all protein will rise IGF but since quorn is recognized as a healthy product I'm sure it's good to keep it.
You atleast need some protein

[hippocampus]

Counterintuitively, people with stronger immune systems are more likely to develop symptomatic colds.[23] This is because the symptoms of a cold are directly due to the strong immune response to the virus, not the virus itself. People with less active immune systems—about a quarter of adults—get infected with the viruses, but the relatively weak immunological response produces no significant or identifiable symptoms. These people are asymptomatic carriers and can unknowingly spread the virus to other people. Because strong immune responses cause cold symptoms, "boosting" the immune system increases cold symptoms.[23]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold

I would be worried if I didn't get common cold from time to time. the problem is if it lasts too long ...

[Cephalon]

Yes, I'm not so concerned. Isn't a cold (virus) some kind of hormesis as well? What doesn't kill me makes me harder ...
I'm almost through with my cold ...
The only thing that could have real benefit is upping my zinc intake to better balance my zinc-copper balance.
Zinc is prety important for immune response, right?
But my first thought when I noticed getting sick was: So you are taking Resveratrol, you are on a CR diet, you get your vitamin D3 and you still get sick
I guess all this interventions don't have much influence on virus infections, except getting trough with the symptoms a bit quicker.

[hippocampus]

yes, zinc is good for immune system, for brain, testosterone and maybe sth else too ...

[Cephalon]

Thanks for the reply hippocampus,

I added 15mg Zinc to my daily regime.

Currently I also take 3g EPA/DHA to try out if it synergizes with CDP Choline.

I will add a bit brewer's yeast to my meals for the same reason. (Refering to the Choline/Uridine/DHA topic in the supplements section)


How important is Biotin?

I couldn't find any topics on that one, and it appears I'm chronically low in it.
I read there are gut bacteria that produce it and I take the jarrow dophilus eps, maybe that helps.

Shall I supplement with Biotin? I'm carefull with B vitamins, due to all the ill pro-aging and cancer and neuro toxic effects.

Thanks!


I temporarily dropped the 1mg lithium, because I suppose it interfers with sleep quality. So far my sleep is a lot deeper than when supplementing with li.
Though it's just a tiny amount it realy seems to matter. Too sad, because it has all that good effects. I will try it next week again ...

Edited by Cephalon, 20 November 2011 - 02:52 PM.

[Cephalon]

Quick update on supplements, diet remains the same on +/- 1800Kcal

Morning:
B12 1mg
Vitamin C 500mg
Fish Oil 2g
Vitamin D3 2000IU
Lithium 1mg*

Midday:
Creatine 2g
Jarrow Dophilus EPS 1 Cap
Fish Oil 3g
250mg Choline**
Zinc ***
1 Tbsp tomato paste

Before bed:
Magnesium 100mg****
(l-theanine when needed)


Please let me know in case I'm out of date with something, or if I'm missing something importantly!

* Lithium: I now take this in the morning, because that way it does not interfer with sleep quality anymore, and the cognitive effect of 1mg is very subtile.
** Choline: My diet is low in choline, so I supplement. Currently I use choline bitartrate which I'm not very happy about due to its systemic effects and potential damaging effect to blood vessels. I have CDP as
well, but it makes me too hyper, though I belive it's systemic effects are milder, since it's basicly acting centrally, but I'm not sure about this. Currently I'm searching for a good substitute. I do not want to
source choline from eggs.
*** Zinc: I used this before bed before, but I noticed I have better sleep if I do not use it right before bed. I noticed Zinc can cause one's empty stomach to hurt a bit, so it's good to take it with lunch.
**** Magnesium: Currently I use simple magnesium oxide, because it is cheap and easily available in Germany. I ordered chelated magnesium from the US which will replace the oxide soon. In case I should
surprisingly come to wealth I will give magnesium l-threonate a go.

As you see I dropped all CR mimetics for now, because I was not to sure about the benefits lately. Also I think I'm already taking enough pills, so I wanted to get back to a very basic regime.
As you can see, my basic regime is pretty cheap with round about 40USD if you use branded products (Jarrow) and together with the Jarrow Dophilus, which is kind of expensive.
Without the Jarrow Dophilus and by using generic brands, the monthly costs would drop to about 15USD which is prety reasonable in my oppinion. Most vials count 60 or more once a day caps ...

As for nootropics I basically use the same as since 2010:

As needed:
1200mg Piracetam
250mg CDP Choline

Occasionally:
700mg Oxiracetam
or 700mg Aniracetam
or 100mg Modafinil

I just finished a 3 week trial of Noopept which I find to be a very good and pronounced nootropic, but I decided to limit it's use to seasons when additional capacities are needed, e.g. learning for exams.

[Brett Black]

Counterintuitively, people with stronger immune systems are more likely to develop symptomatic colds.[23] This is because the symptoms of a cold are directly due to the strong immune response to the virus, not the virus itself. People with less active immune systems—about a quarter of adults—get infected with the viruses, but the relatively weak immunological response produces no significant or identifiable symptoms. These people are asymptomatic carriers and can unknowingly spread the virus to other people. Because strong immune responses cause cold symptoms, "boosting" the immune system increases cold symptoms.[23]

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Common_cold

I would be worried if I didn't get common cold from time to time. the problem is if it lasts too long ...

At least for people born and living in developed countries, there is some evidence to suggest that a strong immune system may actually be in opposition to a long lifespan. Very few non-elderly people in these countries die from infectious diseases - the increased levels of vaccination, hygiene, food and water quality, nutrition, antibiotics, disinfectants etc make infectious disease a very small acute risk for most.

A strong immune system however seems to have a tendency to be overactive and pro-inflammatory, and in the long-term this may contribute substantially to the generalized pro-inflammatory changes that occur with ageing and that may be causally related to many of the ills of old-age.

This pattern fits well within the Antagonistic Pleiotropy Hypothesis. In this case, strong immune systems may have reduced mortality for the young and middle-aged living in our earlier pathogen-filled environments, with the trade-off being increased late-life mortality.

The best combination for longevity may be a relatively weak immune system coupled with a relatively sterile environment. Each minor illness you get, such as a common cold, could hypothetically be incrementally contributing to long-term harm and accelerated aging.
More info here:
Immunity & Ageing: a new journal looking at ageing from an immunological point of view

[Snoopy]

Cephalon, my diet seems to be the complete polar opposite of yours which probably shows how behind I am on what is the best longevity diet...

However, my focus has been on building muscle and increasing stamina in the gym - so my protein requirement is probably higher...

I'm putting away rather a lot of organic chicken breast, salmon, tuna, white fish. Many reasons for this - partly because over the years I have experimented with taking them away and feeling very negative knock on effects, partly because they appear to be nutriional powerhouses when it comes to trace minerals and core vitamins and also to maintain weight. I have a very high ectomorph metabolism and would like to think now at the age of 29 I am very in tune with what my particular system requires for optimum output.

Have you considered adding some whole food protein sources to cover a few bases without the high dependancy on protein powder and pill form vitamins?