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#1 Lazarus Long

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 01:38 PM


I made this a post elsewhere but as it is too important an issue deserving much more followup I am making it a topic of its own. Here is another article from today's news on a new cap with as few as 64 electrodes and these are human trials, which show remarkable success with serious implications.


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'Brainwave' cap controls computer
Tuesday, 7 December, 2004, 10:30 GMT
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The cursor movements were recorded: blue is slowest, and red fastest.

A team of US researchers has shown that controlling devices with the brain is a step closer. Four people, two of them partly paralysed wheelchair users, successfully moved a computer cursor while wearing a cap with 64 electrodes.

Previous research has shown that monkeys can control a computer with electrodes implanted into their brain.
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http://news.bbc.co.u...ogy/4074869.stm

And this time the effort is in my back yard, very very cool. I may have to make contact.
http://seattletimes...._thought07.html

http://www.latimes.c...ght7dec07.story
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Posted 07 December 2004 - 01:55 PM

I wrote about how this might influence society in this other thread.

http://www.imminst.o...956

I think this is the first steps toward cyborgizing humans. When these non-invasive brain joy-sticks are given to children at all ages, they will certainly begin to use that technology to communicate, play and fight as children do with an open mind. This brain out-put in convergence with skin sensation and visual input will make children look like aliens to their parents, much more than children with their mobile phones and game-computers seem like aliens today. The apparent ESP abilities of those children would make them super-human, with the ability to make conversations without talking and playing without moving. In a few decades I think the teenagers of that generation will start gathering brain-power in a previously unseen way. Mind communities being able to combine thought to invent could be the first step toward Bio-AI with the human mind as the enabling processor.

I think external reading of activity is feasible for some extent of control and communication not only involving axis control. Non-invasive interfacing will certainly be easier for the general public to accept in the beginning. If a cheep and general applicable device where offered to the public, it would not take long before the worlds computer freaks started developing software for their own amusement. Then it is only a question of time before a boost, like the one the internet was subject to, will commence.


This device seems to be one of the multiple steps toward mental communication and computer control in development today. It will not be long before handicapped and severely disabled people will all use these devices in their everyday life.

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#3 Lazarus Long

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 02:14 PM

I also think that for those of us that are older while we should promote biotech in all its ramifications the dilemma we face for longevity is timing. If you are like me having passed the half century mark the likelihood of genetic and medical advances to extend life and defer senescence are coming too little and too late.

We are going to have be the vanguards, like those facing the need to overcome disability, of the cybernetic interface. Perhaps we can also contribute to bringing a sense of responsibility, maturity, and compassion to the Webmind when we do.

I know that sounded a bit pollyannish and overly optimistic but I like seeing the bright-side even if I maintain a pragmatic pessimism. ;))

We are definitely getting closer all the time and in this respect I think older folks will see more opportunity for longevity from cybernetics but if you are in your thirties and younger you may benefit much more from biotech.

Eventually it is a combined effort and the real issue for those like myself is surviving until a viable opportunity arrives. If a mind can survive till nano, bio, and cyborg merge then many options become possible but at current trends that should not be presumed to be less than 20-30 years out and could take most of this century.

I promote them all but rationally think I must depend on the human-computer interface as the most likely option in my age group. Anyway this approach promises a much smoother interface making a fusion of human and computer for enhanced cerebral capacity a much closer reality.

A synthetic option for Better Than Human Intelligence is rationally feasible through a webmind fusion of enhanced humans supporting and sustained within a machine based matrix.

The more the merrier ;))

Well maybe?

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 06:55 PM

Pessimism has brought me only hardship, sadness and stress. You are right in seeing things on the bright side. The alternative is to give up IMO, which I would never want anyone to do.

I think the youthful vigorous minds of our planet is our most promising hope. They are a powerful but mostly underestimated group. If the "grownups" could put aside their pride and utilize these marvelous open minds, I think we would be able to reach everybody's goals much more swiftly.

Imagine if all the young minds of the world could merge in cyberspace and think out ideas as with one mind. Even though most of the ideas created would be worthless, the mere experience of perfect unity would make people see how much we humans have in common.

As these children grow up, they will master communication in a way never seen before. You may say it would be too late, but I don't think so. Children have a profound influence on their parents, and the children would almost certainly use their abilities to help progress our society both socially and technologically if they get the chance.

Now, I am still young, yet nowhere near the playful youth I once experienced, but I still remember how easy it was to embrace new experiences. It is in my opinion our society that is holding back our young. We should set our children free and not constrain them to locked playgrounds and sterile environments.

We have all experienced how hard it is to convince adults about the possibilities of science and technology. When I talk to children they all think they will live forever. To children death is horrible. Why do they end up accepting it? You know the answer.

#5 Lazarus Long

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 07:09 PM

Lightowl I didn't mean to suggest *too late for everyone* but too little too late for me and those my age or older.

Life does generally speaking go on; at least till now. The problem is that the same power that brings tantalizing possibility, also brings monumental risk. Risk that should be understood to threaten all life on this world. A level of power that we must step up to and master before it masters us.

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Posted 07 December 2004 - 08:50 PM

A level of power that we must step up to and master before it masters us.


Agreed, and I must admit that the timing is rather unfortunate for people of your generation. I am only hoping that you keep your will to live, even if aging binds you to a bed of pain and suffering, may it never happen. The speed of innovation is extraordinary in this time and place, and I suspect many people who where convinced they would die, will wake up with renewed determination in the years to come. Not that I suggest you have lost hope, for hope is what keeps us going. ;)

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Posted 08 December 2004 - 07:31 PM

Imagine a device like the one above, that transforms magnetism from the brain and converts it into sound or visual output. Maybe it would even be possible to create some kind of force feedback patch you could put on you skin. That way you could actually see, hear or even physically feel what someone is thinking. The real problem of course is to read and interpret the output and understand what is what.

This is where the children come in to the picture. Imagine that this "toy" could be bought in any toy shop any where in the world. The children would jump on it as a game and play with it, just like they play with moving and speaking and seeing when they grow up. They would quickly develop a telepathic language that only they and their friends can understand. Think about how much fun it would be for the children. A new way to mingle with friends. A new gadget to the flock of mobile phones, PDAs, I-pods, game boys, multi-player games and sms. Imagine how closely children would embrace a device that enables them to feel how their friends feel in certain situations. To learn the consequences of their actions on other peoples existence. I think it would give many children a stronger empathy for other people.

When these children grows up, they will have an enormous advantage when they realize they can control every single "intelligent" device just by thinking about it. Not only will they have the ability to communicate directly with computer systems, but they will feel like they are mentally bonded with the hardware. Human communication would quickly spread to the internet, and there would be created mind-chats where dreams are shared.

I think this kind of "toy" would jumpstart the cyborg revolution, and people might not be so frightened of invasive procedures when they can se the possibilities of mind over matter. Communication without motion. Talking while we sleep. Communicating in our dreams.

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Posted 08 December 2004 - 08:31 PM

Slashdot is running the article.

http://science.slash...?tid=126&tid=14

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Posted 15 December 2004 - 08:46 PM

Lightowl I didn't mean to suggest *too late for everyone* but too little too late for me and those my age or older.


Lazarus Long, I sincerely hope you're incorrect about that. We've lost enough of our best-educated and brightest (and are still losing more everyday). This world can't afford to lose too many more of you guys. At least, it can't afford to look at it as acceptable loss...

This device is a step, but not a very large one. From what I understand, it's just using RF from the brain, which means the only way to really train yourself to be able to move things is via biofeedback... with enough practice, doable, but not meaningful as a real sensory extension. I may be wrong about it but I'm involved with the development of EEG machines. Trying to understand the way the internal parts of the brain are working with this kind of technology is about as useful as trying to dissect how an internal combustion engines functions from 64 thermometers linked together in a web around the engine. Sure, you can get very useful diagnostic information, and determine some of the states, but it's not a preferred control method. To extend the analogy, you wouldn't want to have to steer your car via that web of sensors, having to run the car for a period of time at a certain RPM to get it to turn left, turn right. I may be misunderstanding it, as I don't know how they process the raw information from the cap. It's good to see stuff like this in the news, but I think something like the Nerve Cuff that is a lot more promising.

Fraunhofer IBMT - Neuroprosthetics Projects

The technique is very interesting. I spoke with a grad student working on the project. From what he explained to me, they basically slice a nerve while holding it into place, and slide the cuff into it. The nerve heals around the interior mesh with a very very high success rate, nerves being some of the fastest healing tissue in the body. Granted, there was somewhat of a language barrier so I could be misunderstanding but I believe that is the general idea. The only limitation of this currently is the size of the cuffs; they can't squeeze tons and tons of them close together, so it makes high-bandwidth transmissions a little troublesome. They've worked out a design for a sight replacement that rivals the BRIP for sure, though. Just thought you guys might want to check that out. Sieve electrodes may be old hat to you guys, not sure.
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Edited by armrha, 16 December 2004 - 01:30 PM.


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Posted 17 January 2005 - 12:45 PM

Wired.com
By Kristen Philipkoski
02:00 AM Jan. 14, 2005 PT


http://wired.com/new...6,66259,00.html

External BCIs might also have their own advantages, because they can retrieve signals from many points in the brain rather than just a specific site.

"Implanted electrodes are very specific, so they can record activity relative to the intended muscle or motor movements, and that has its uses," said Charles Anderson, a researcher at Colorado State University. "We're hoping to identify a higher level of cognitive activity like different mental tasks. That would take too many implants."

While Cyberkinetics may not be able to satisfy Edwards, at least in the near term, the company is planning other next-generation technologies, said CEO Tim Surgenor in an interview during the JPMorgan Healthcare Conference in San Francisco. Nagle can already control a robot hand, and Surgenor says he can imagine the possibilities if technicians could calibrate the motion with more precision: from pouring a cup of coffee to swinging a tennis racket or writing a letter. And eventually, researchers hope to implant electrical probes directly into muscles, so patients can use the system to control their own limbs.



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Posted 01 October 2005 - 09:51 PM

Link: http://www.nature.co...l/050926-5.html



Computer users move themselves with the mind
Electrode cap allows users to think themselves along a virtual street.
Michael Hopkin


Computer scientists have created a hat that can read your thoughts. It allows you to stroll down a virtual street. All you have to do is think about walking.

Called a brain-computer interface, the device detects activity in certain brain areas linked to movement, and uses the signals to mimic that movement in a virtual world. The technology could one day help paralysed patients to move robotic arms, or help sufferers of motor neuron disease to type out words on a virtual keyboard.

"Just thinking about movement activates the same neurons as actually moving," explains Gert Pfurtscheller of Graz University of Technology in Austria, who has been working on the device for around four years. By picking up on these bursts of nerve activity, the computer can decide whether you are thinking about moving your hands or feet, and react accordingly.

The technology detects brain waves by using electrodes placed at strategic points on the scalp; they are positioned over brain areas known to be involved in moving specific body parts. The computer can then distinguish between signals corresponding to different types of movement.

Just thinking about movement activates the same neurons as actually moving.

Previously, accurate detection of local brain activity has required electrodes to be implanted in the brain. This technique has allowed recipients to control robots and even send e-mails (see "Paralysed man sends e-mail by thought ") . The new device, presented at the Presence 2005 technology meeting in London last week1, achieves a similar feat using non-invasive methods.

Thinking cap

The team tested their creation by asking participants to navigate a virtual-reality studio called the Virtual Cave. Test subjects sit in a square studio wearing three-dimensional goggles, which project a scene such as a street, complete with pedestrians and buildings.

The computer then chooses a task for the participant: either walking forwards or moving their hands. It tells the user what to do through sound cues.

If the person is asked to think about walking, and they do so in a way that can be picked up by the cap, the virtual character steps forwards. If they fail, the character stays still. When asked to think about moving their hands, successful volunteers are rewarded by staying still. Failure leads to punishment: their character takes a step backwards.

One of the world's best-trained users is Doris Zimmerman, a student who has worked extensively with the team in Austria. She was flown in to help with demonstrations at the conference. As she sits in front of the Virtual Cave's three-dimensional screen, we watch her effortlessly glide down a high street.

However, it's not as easy as it looks, as I discover when I try a simplified version of the test (see 'Piano player gets poor score on brain test'). And I'm not the only one that struggled: "I took about five hours to learn it," confides Christoph Guger, who has set up a Graz-based company to develop the technology.

But after enough training, the team hopes that the virtual device could help those who are unable to move to interact more easily with others. It could even enable stroke patients to regain movement, Pfurtscheller hopes, by allowing them to 'exercise' their brain's motor centres.

"If they think of moving their hand and they see a hand move, it reinforces the thought," he says. And strengthening the mind, he adds, might lead to better motor control.

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Posted 11 November 2005 - 01:14 AM

contact www.ElectroCap.com, they'll make you a 128 electrode cap for $2200

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Posted 29 November 2005 - 01:31 AM

Transcutaneous EEG caps are useless for neuron by neuron scanning.

The electronic signal level the pads detect is on the same orders of magnitude for the self induced noise of most electronics; micro to nanovolts before amplification.

You can get better sensitivity and resolution with MEG scanning, Magnetoencepholography. MEG scanners use a device known as a SQUID, or superconducting quantum interference device / detector. These scanners rely on electrons tunneling through an insulative barrier placed between two superconductors. There are a pair of junctions in a normal DC detector. When the magnetic field in the junction changes, the current through them changes. When the current changes, so does the frequency of the voltage across the device.

You can measure incredibly tiny magnetic changes with these devices. They can easily detect changes in the Earth's own magnetic field (I mean IN the field it's self, not moving the device around within the field) as well as someone moving nearby them. MEG scanners can have anywhere from a few of these to a few hundred in the newest.

They're arranged into a helment shape and put over the individual's head. They're then immersed in a cryostat and cyrogenically cooled to their critical temperature to begin superconduction tunneling and field detection.

Each SQUID device costs a few thousand and needs some serious green invested in support gear to operate it (Cryogenic equipment, screening, active noise cancellation, very high quality power supplies...)

Even using this, the best you get is a more detailed picture of neural activity. The pictures are usually overlaid on MRI / PET / CAT scans to provide a physical position and neural activity topological map for brain surgery.

I have already evaluated this method in depth. Unless you build one super, super, super hot MEG scanner, it's out of the contest. And even then, it's still got a long way to go; it's unidirectional, read only, in it's present form and has no physical lock on each neuron, your hearbeat alone might be enough to destroy any chance of tracking every individual neuron in the tissue, nevermind large scale head movements. Electronics field detection lacks a SQUID counterpart. The best you'll get with Transcutaneous EEG is telling a wheelchair where to go. Some amount short of transferring a conscious intelligence.

#14 Herb Elwood III

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Posted 07 April 2006 - 01:48 AM

you may not need a signal from every neuron, but a nano-robotic shell may provide the 1-to-1 ratio you are seeking

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#15 Herb Elwood III

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Posted 07 April 2006 - 02:12 AM

its sad to think that some people call the quest for life extension selfish. i feel it is self-less; in that many can benefit from the perpetuation of positive contribution to society.




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