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[Discovery]

Hello!

Im am new to the forum and first of all would like to thank everyone for the valuable information you shared.

I am about to attend an acceptance test for med school vienna in july and unfortunately for foreign applicants the score requires you to be ~ top 8% of all foreign applicants.
Last year i took a very similar test for heidelberg in germany and scored 87%, which would not be enough this time. The test consists of 9 sub parts which focus on spatial ability, short term memory, logical consequencing, quantitive and formal problems, concentration and the ability to extract important information from large texts. Basically its an intelligence test - something i usually love and would not dope myself for still this time just too much in my life depends on the test results and so i ordered 13500mg of pramiracetam on ebay uk hoping it will arrive here in hamburg without me getting a life sentence.
i was planning on dosing something like that the doses being at around 8am and 2pm:

14 days before test 300-300
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04 days before test 450-450
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test day 450-450

For choline supplementation I plan to take dmae as I read about some people experiencing depression as a side effect from choline compounds.

I thought upping the dose on the test day would be too dangerous as I read that there is a certain dose window that should not be exceeded for optimal results.

What I really find interesting in racetams is the increase of hemisphere communication as one of the memory tests is really my weakness:
The participants are presented with 20 shapes. Each shape is split into 5 parts and one part is colored black. Now you have 4 minutes to memorise.

Then you will have several other tasks in between like facts memory and text extraction. After around an hour you are presented with the 20 shapes again in mixed up order. There is no black parts and your task is to identify the shape parts that were colored.

It is extremely important to connect vivid images with the shapes that implement the black part to be able to remember them in such a short time (12sec/shape) and be able to recall it after doing something else for 1h.
Therefore a bright imagination and creativity is demanded, which I seem to lack a bit. Not the logical part on the other hand as I scored 99% (not of tasks but of rank compared to other participants) in quantitive and formal problems. Still it seems that you cant categorize the brains performance that easy because I also scored very well in the spatial thinking task (97%) so maybe my deficit only shows in creativity and not so much in imagination.

I am really very interested in the possible effects of pramiracetam and looking forward to log my experience and progression in the sub test scores both while training and in the main test compared to before.

Any suggestions, comments and ideas are very welcome.
Best regards,

Discovery

Edited by Discovery, 17 May 2011 - 08:58 AM.

[bdoris]

Try to practice n-back and all its variants - cognitivefun.net is a pretty good website in that regard. It will help you boost your score on those tests.

Also do sudoku, crosswords - if you do it right, you can stimulate a big part of the brain by picturing yourself the words, exploring the associations and semantic links. Try mind-wandering or daydreaming, start thinking about something then move on the next thing that pops to your head, try to picture it in your mind an imagine the details.

Try rotating objects in your mind. Can help you with your spatial memory.

If you use -racetams - begin using them at least a week before the test, or even better, now. Working on those mental exercices while under Piracetam will help you quite a lot.

Choline won't give you depression on a short term, and even on a long term it depends on a lot of things. Don't hesitate to take it - you can buy Soy Lecithin anywhere, I've bought one in a supermarket near me. Otherwise, buy a better form of choline in a pharmacy such as CDP-choline or Alpha GPC.

Otherwise, you may not notice the effects of the racetam.

Hope this helps.

[Discovery]

Thanks!
Nice website... im gonna work with that additionally. Thanks for the tips.

I plan to start using it 14 days before the test and I also ordered some choline bitartrate that i am gonna take additionally.

Dosing would look something like this (per day and divided into 2 seperate doses):
600 to 900mg of pram
750 to 1000mg of choline bitartrate
500mg of DMAE

given that is there any necessarity for CDP-C or A-GPC left?

Thanks again and have a good day.

Edited by Discovery, 17 May 2011 - 03:08 PM.

[bdoris]

600 to 900mg of pram
750 to 1000mg of choline bitartrate
500mg of DMAE

given that is there any necessarity for CDP-C or A-GPC left?

Thanks again and have a good day.

Nah, the choline bitartrate and the DMAE is enough for having plenty enough acetylcholine. Though, if you have Alpha-GPC or CDP-Choline, you may switch it with the bitartrate since it seems to be a little more effective - even though personally I never noticed much difference between those different choline sources.

[Discovery]

Hey there - Today im posting my first entry in the dosing log..

my normal stack looks like follows and im on the noots for 5 days:

morning
300mg pramiracetam
1000mg piracetam
400mg Alpha GPC

midday
1000mg piracetam
300mg Alpha GPC

The first 2 days I felt nothing but slight effects that were hard to describe and almost not noticable, from which I think they were placebo.

The following 2 days I really had a lot of trouble doing my preparation, as I was horribly fatigued and sleepy even though I had around 11 hours of sleep plus 1-2 naps. I adressed this sleepieness to a choline deficiency and at around 4 pm of the 3rd day I took 500mg Alpha GPC to see if I was correct. The sleepieness didn't actually go away but I could concentrate a bit better. Still im not satisfied with the results so I'm still looking for the reason. I read that a choline overdose would probably cause symptoms like neck stiffness which I had experienced so I am unsure about the cause, which is why on...

...day 4 I take the racetams without any choline precoursor and expect the sleepieness to be intensified to approve the choline deficiency theory. What can I say.. I felt less fatigued than with the Alpha GPC and am now thinking that it has nothing to do with choline at all. Maybe just something else.

Day 5 - Im back to my normal, above stack and happy to tell that the drowsieness went almost completely away.


Until now I am missing the nootropic effects but maybe I am just one of the persons, where effects begin to show some days or even weeks after initiating medication.

My test results improve pretty constantly and im sticking to 1-2 hours of training each day - still im not adressing the change to the noots as it is not an abnormal improvment rate.. just what i expected until now.

I wonder if I should up the dose to see what happens - but at the point where I was fatigued I actually thought about lowering it so I'm gonna stick with it 2 more days and recheck results after week 1.

30 days to go until the test

best 4 you,
Discovery

Edited by Discovery, 09 June 2011 - 05:16 PM.

[Discovery]

(double post.. please delete)

Edited by Discovery, 09 June 2011 - 05:14 PM.