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[Ichoose2live]

In my opinion, Pramiracetam is by far the best of the four Racetams (Pira, Oxi, Ani, Pram) in terms of memory retention, recollection, motivation, and especially in a learning capacity--it seems like my adaptation skills are unlimited. Most people who try Pram get sleepy and drop it after a couple of days. Pramiracetam has the clarity of Oxiracetam plus a comprehension-reasoning bonus to it. It also shares the Anxiolytic effect and apathy effect, cognitive flexibility effect, and confidence effect of Aniracetam, but it only makes you apathetic to non-cognitive emotions, which is even better for mental stuff and inspiration. The only significant effect of Oxiracetam is auditory perception enhancement. More specifically, it significantly improves auditory perception, musical appreciation, and probably performance if I ever learn to play a musical instrument. I'm also going to say that Oxiracetam is better for attention and concentration.
So to people who have tried Oxiracetam and Pramiracetam, I'd like to hear your conclusion about the effects of both Nootropic! Which one do you prefer? What are your response to them? Do they have any side-effects on you?

[allen-liew]

Pramiracetam is used as a dietary supplement or drug in US？

[Blue22]

Its not a controlled substance so legal to purchase and possess.

[allen-liew]

Its not a controlled substance so legal to purchase and possess.

What about Phenylpiractam? Is it a controlled substance?

[Blue22]

I don't think any of the racetams are. In the US they are considered nutritional supplements. Phenyl is hard to say though because its so hard to find and when you do its 20x more expensive then the other racetams.

[AldousSnow]

I read some worries here about pram nitric oxide brain damage. Whats the consensus on that?

I loved pram when I took it. Only bad thing was the taste, which is god awful. Encapsulation is a must. I love pira and ani and oxi taste.

[X_Danny_X]

man this thread was just hijack. nobody in commented on the thread starter's post.

[unregistered_user]

man this thread was just hijack. nobody in commented on the thread starter's post.

QFT.

I'm early into my Pram experimentation and I'm not seeing too much in the way of acute effects. Hopefully something cumulative develops.

[Gamerzneed]

first day i got really really sleepy. 2nd time trying it I'm not noticing anything really, but do feel something. Will keep taking and comment if I notice any cognitive changes.

[Tomas E]

What dosages are people trying out pramiracetam and the other noots and how many times per day ?

[unregistered_user]

Pramiracetam was very emotionally numbing. I still have a whole container of it just sitting on in a cabinet. Maybe I'll try oxi instead....

Edited by semi-retarded-individual, 01 October 2012 - 04:14 AM.

[Geoffrey]

To avoid the sleepiness issues I found I had to take very small doses of Prami. Fortunately it's very strong -- on a par with Noopept in strength (for me). It's true you feel more Spock-like on Prami. If you're going to be working alone for a long period and don't need to socialize, it's great. But if you're going to be with people and have to show interest in their silly little human emotions (!), you'd best not take Prami...

[golden1]

oxiracetam gave me razor sharp vision more so than any other nootropic, aniracetam enhanced vision just as well, but in a way which colored reality(in a very pleasing way I'll admit). oxiracetam gave me a few episodes where I was moderately depressed because everything I knew seemed so concrete and simple, as if there was no magic to the world and nothing complex or different enough existed to draw my attention.. an odd feeling when you know there are things insanely complex and interesting, but it just feels as if they bore you. It also enhanced music, however, it seemed mostly the treble was enhanced where as with aniracetam all of the sound feels enhanced, possibly due to its pleasing way of coloring things(like one pair of headphones which is built to replicate sound perfectly(oxiracetam) versus one that is built to replicate it pleasingly(aniracetam)). It felt very neutral I guess. Like a neutral, yet more cognitive enhancing(i would say in the math/calculations department, but idk) piracetam.

pramiracetam gave me the clearest feeling in my head the first time I tried it, so clear it was distracting hah. It also enhanced vision and sound maybe like a mix between oxi and ani's effects. It's also made me moderately depressed. However, when it works(which is usually when I take it when I'm at my best) it's definitely the most focus enhancing by far and it lasts a good while, it had me reading through books for hours(catching up on work i was too lazy to do). I noticed it numbed my emotions at first, but now I notice less of that when I try it.

aniracetam and piracetam, if anything, were highly anti-depressant which makes it interesting that those other two caused it. It seems somehow ani+pir are suited towards enhancing life and imagination while pram+oxi are more for concrete work.. an odd thing, but thats how it feels to me... Since I am definitely more of a "enjoy how beautiful life is" person with goals being more set in creative areas of my choosing(music, programming, design, w/e) rather than them people who have incredible drive and motivation to reach their goals and manage to spend a majority of their time on doing whatever it is that moves them closer to their goal, I feel like maybe, thats why pram+oxi had depressive periods and why I love piracetam+aniracetam.

nefiracetam gives me like stomach issues or something weird plus the whole kind of toxic thing, but to compare it feels pretty sweet and different than the others.. for me it puts me in a very calm state extremely similar to meditation which i found very interesting.

oxiracetam also tastes the best by far

[Crispy Cat]

i find it really difficult to get the dose right with prami despite months of testing
under 100mg per dose i dont seem to have much response
over 300mg per dose i seem to get sleepy
and at any dose it seems i can get a headache!
i do seem to get more motivated to change my life around like a sudden lust for new exciting job etc

however i did have one really good experience with it at 200mg which resulted in me reading a 300 page science book without looking away from it ...but I have not been able to replicate that effect despite much trying

im wondering if there are any deficiencies that may negatively impact the effectiveness of pramiracetam?
unfortunately i dont really understand its method of action

[Raza]

A headache with 'racetams is usually taken to mean your choline is out of balance, which is especially likely with prami. Try supplementing a choline source with it.

[Crispy Cat]

A headache with 'racetams is usually taken to mean your choline is out of balance, which is especially likely with prami. Try supplementing a choline source with it.

I wish it was that easy :(
however I generally eat 2 eggs a day and take 2 doses of centrophenoxine 600mg which should produce more than adequate choline ..
certainly no problems with the other racetams even stacked or mega dosed

[Raza]

Centro isn't a cholinergic, and might even block choline use. (http://www.longecity.../page__hl__dmae - Cento is pretty much time-release DMAE)

Two eggs is pretty decent, but not that much on the scale of what some people supplement with. I wouldn't consider a shortage of choline ruled out.

[Crispy Cat]

Centro isn't a cholinergic, and might even block choline use. (http://www.longecity.../page__hl__dmae - Cento is pretty much time-release DMAE)

Two eggs is pretty decent, but not that much on the scale of what some people supplement with. I wouldn't consider a shortage of choline ruled out.

Great info! thanks.. it will take a while for me to understand it fully but thats one of the things i love about this forum i learn something new daily even after a year or so searching and observing!
id always been under the impression that centro raised choline levels! and believe it is generally marketed as such! and thus bought 1kg of it ... guess i should source some alpha gpc
now tho the question is posed does the lipofuscin removal properties and mood improvement outweigh the risk?
but not wanting to steal the thread ill ask in the link you provided
thanks again for the info

[Aaron158]

Pramiracetam and oxiracetam both are used for different purposes.pramiracetam derived from piracetam that boost brain power.pramiracetam cleans out the cells from brain.