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[eon]

considering the quince fruit may have been the "apple" that Adam and Even may have eaten, this actually taste like a hint of green apple but not as juicy, perhaps a bit like Thai Guavas (those giant guavas), slightly pear-ish as well in taste and texture, perhaps a bit like Jicama, not as juicy, not as dry. The smell is slightly pear-ish with a hint of green apples. Maybe this is a bit over ripened considering the color is yellow-ish, the aroma is strong and some slight rot on the other side. I'm not sure if I should eat the peel so I only ate it without the peel. I would have to contact the producers of this California Quince to find out which species this fruit came from. It is actually "sweet-er" than what people described it as online and can be eaten as is. Not sure why the stuff I've read online stated it be made into a jam or boiled and sweetened. One could consider this fruit not as sweet as its aroma. Maybe this is what tempted Adam and Even to this fruit. 

Edited by eon, 10 January 2015 - 09:38 AM.

[Area-1255]

considering the quince fruit may have been the "apple" that Adam and Even may have eaten, this actually taste like a hint of green apple but not as juicy, perhaps a bit like Thai Guavas (those giant guavas), slightly pear-ish as well in taste and texture, perhaps a bit like Jicama, not as juicy, not as dry. The smell is slightly pear-ish with a hint of green apples. Maybe this is a bit over ripened considering the color is yellow-ish, the aroma is strong and some slight rot on the other side. I'm not sure if I should eat the peel so I only ate it without the peel. I would have to contact the producers of this California Quince to find out which species this fruit came from. It is actually "sweet-er" than what people described it as online and can be eaten as is. Not sure why the stuff I've read online stated it be made into a jam or boiled and sweetened. One could consider this fruit not as sweet as its aroma. Maybe this is what tempted Adam and Even to this fruit. 

The fruit of all knowledge and knowledge of both good and evil , could, also be a metaphor. 

Otherwise, everyone would be taking quince now.....nevertheless, the fruit of all knowledge;good and evil...is most likely something hidden underground in the Vatican.....probably the strongest intellectually enhancing substance known to man and something that the oh-so-corrupt keep underneath their bossom.

[normalizing]

 

I know this is an old thread, but I wanted to bump it up anyway. I'm considering ordering some of this on Monday for a self guinea pig experiment. Since a year or so had passed since this thread was created, wondering if anyone has tried it out?

I have, it's like wellbutrin sort of, but much less stimulating, a little mild euphoria, sense of focus without mind racing - and some wild bursts of motivation and energy at 4 scoops at once from the mu gua sold on amazon; meaning, higher dose = better, of course.

 

 

you sure you ever did it? this amazon url is a huge fake, supposedly, like you.

[Steve Zissou]

are you sure that isn't longecitys amazon refferal?

[Area-1255]

are you sure that isn't longecitys amazon refferal?

I'm pretty sure it is, I wouldn't insert an affiliate link on here, lmao.   

[eon]

does it not link directly to the product without going through the referral thing? I'd be happy to buy something from amazon linked through longecity though, but I want to see the product first. Name the brand? Maybe the brand has a company website?

[Area-1255]

 

 

I know this is an old thread, but I wanted to bump it up anyway. I'm considering ordering some of this on Monday for a self guinea pig experiment. Since a year or so had passed since this thread was created, wondering if anyone has tried it out?

I have, it's like wellbutrin sort of, but much less stimulating, a little mild euphoria, sense of focus without mind racing - and some wild bursts of motivation and energy at 4 scoops at once from the mu gua sold on amazon; meaning, higher dose = better, of course.

 

 

you sure you ever did it? this amazon url is a huge fake, supposedly, like you.

 

And THAT is why, you are neg repped to oblivion, insulting posts - with no evidence. 

Edited by Area-1255, 11 January 2015 - 08:32 PM.

[chemicalambrosia]

This is what you guys want, a real actual link to the Chaenomeles Speciosa extract:

http://www.amazon.co...t/dp/B00415MJTA

[The Brain]

I don't think that's an extract though ?

[eon]

I saw that before but forgot about it. If anyone's tried it, how was it? What was your dosage? Also, which company is it from? I want to go to their site and order directly so I probably won't have to pay shipping if I buy a certain amount.

 

This is what you guys want, a real actual link to the Chaenomeles Speciosa extract:

http://www.amazon.co...t/dp/B00415MJTA

 

I'm sure it'll work fine whatever form it's in, if it truly works as a DRI.

 

I don't think that's an extract though ?

 

I hope its purported DRI activity is valid. What do you guys think of natural sources of amphetamines, would they be considered a DRI as well:

 

blackbrush - aka acacia rigidula

 

ephedra - aka ma huang where actual amphetamines are generally made from

 

cathinone - from the khat plant

guarana ("natural Ritalin") - some energy drinks have these.

 

carnitine - not sure if this is the same as acetyl-l-carnitine (ALCAR)

 

http://amphetamines....l-amphetamines/

 

Are these more "stimulants" rather than something that acts as a DRI?

 

Edited by eon, 12 January 2015 - 07:10 AM.

[The Brain]

There were plenty of places to buy this product online, for me though the shipping was sometimes close to three times the cost of the product, which I find hard to accept.

[eon]

but what you bought was laganeria...have you ever tried the speciosa or not?

 

There were plenty of places to buy this product online, for me though the shipping was sometimes close to three times the cost of the product, which I find hard to accept.

 

[The Brain]

The product I bought was cheap postage and sold as Speciosa but not delivered as such

[eon]

This is a speciosa:

 

https://www.pureform...e-services.html

 

It seems homeopathic. Not sure if it would be effective but it's cheap.

[normalizing]

lol thats flower essense. you dont need the flowers for an effect, even less so their "essense" in fucking drops. the price is good indication of this shit!

[MenDis]

Yeah, this study indicates the fruit has DAT inhibitory properties (http://www.ncbi.nlm....ubmed/18485464/). It doesn't mention the flowers. Is the source on amazon the only source out there for an extract? I'd like to see some reputable supplement companies come out with an extract to have better assurance of quality and safety. Maybe if enough of us send emails to Swanson's, LiftMode, Jarrow, etc. one of them will be bound to come out with something. 

[eon]

Flower Essence is the name of the company. LOL.

 

Plus my total order I got a 15% discount (i have the code). LOL. 

 

lol thats flower essense. you dont need the flowers for an effect, even less so their "essense" in fucking drops. the price is good indication of this shit!

 

[eon]

The fruit as well? The fruit I bought at Walmart? But who's to know which species the fruit came from? Doesn't it vary that a quince fruit may come NOT from Chaenomeles Speciosa? Amazon sells quince jams and marmalade as well. Who's to know which species the fruit or the jam came from?

 

Is the quince fruit from the Chaenomeles Speciosa breed ONLY? Can the other Chaenomeles species bear the fruit? The fruit I bought at Walmart is simply California Quince. I contacted a California farm that farms Quince and hopefully I get a response clarifying which species the fruit is from.

 

Let's blast those companies an e-mail!

 

It can happen!

 

I e-mailed Powdercity about carrying nootropics they never had before and now they sell them! They will be selling magnesium aspartate this coming week, I convinced them, and I'm sure other people did as well. There was a time when they never sold magnesium l-threonate and now they do.    

 

 

Yeah, this study indicates the fruit has DAT inhibitory properties (http://www.ncbi.nlm....ubmed/18485464/). It doesn't mention the flowers. Is the source on amazon the only source out there for an extract? I'd like to see some reputable supplement companies come out with an extract to have better assurance of quality and safety. Maybe if enough of us send emails to Swanson's, LiftMode, Jarrow, etc. one of them will be bound to come out with something. 

 

Edited by eon, 14 January 2015 - 07:25 AM.

[normalizing]

 

Flower Essence is the name of the company. LOL.

 

Plus my total order I got a 15% discount (i have the code). LOL. 

 

lol thats flower essense. you dont need the flowers for an effect, even less so their "essense" in fucking drops. the price is good indication of this shit!

 

 

oh ok. still being drops and such a cheap price, i can guarantee you this is bullshit. its going to be incredibly hard to get that stuff if it actually is some dopamine booster. somehow as if there is shitload of easy to get a hold of in nature elixers of dopamine boost that are held back by assholes. thats what it seems like to me. controlled, manipulated, sell CRAP!

[eon]

No one knows about it which is why it isn't selling like cocaine hot cake! I just heard of it when I started participating in this thread, which tells you not many people have heard of it and neither about the Quince fruit. I saw and bought it at Walmart, almost all of it went to rot in the store as no one's ever heard of it. It isn't mainstream. Nootropics isn't mainstream either but when it does become one, watch the FDA panic. 

Edited by eon, 14 January 2015 - 09:14 AM.

[MenDis]

I emailed Swanson and Liftmode and both said that they would be looking into it, but it would help if others emailed them also to demonstrate interest.

[eon]

I will do that. Understand that Swanson is the only company that I could find that sells acacia catechu which is talked about on this forum regarding catechin sources such as cocoa. I think they would be the one to offer something obscure. Dragonherbs has some other Chaenomeles species (sinensis and laganeria).

Edited by eon, 15 January 2015 - 07:52 AM.

[eon]

curious if the dopaminergic activity of chaenomeles speciosa does not cause anything negative ala amphetamine-induced adverse side effects? I would think this would be dose dependent and plus considering this is natural vs. synthetic. 

Edited by eon, 15 January 2015 - 11:55 AM.

[MenDis]

I got my chaenomeles speciosa in the mail today (the only extract available on amazon, labeled "Mu Gua", distributed by "E-Fong", manufactured by "Guangdong Yifang Pharmaceutical Co., Ltd. China"). I put 2 grams in a coffee mug and added about half a cup of boiling water. I waited for it to cool down for about 30 minutes and then drank it. After an hour, I definitely could feel it, but I felt mentally slow and tired more than anything. I didn't notice any change in motivation, clarity of thought, focus, or concentration. I should note that I'm not the average person; I have some mental condition from a chemical poisoning where all of the aforementioned are negatively affected. So take my experience with a grain of salt. I can still feel the effects now, approx. 4 hours after dosing. I should be trying methylphenidate for the first time in the near future, so hopefully I'll be able to offer a comparison.  

[eon]

Are you saying you like Chaenomeles Speciosa or you're unsure?

 

I can't say it's the same as comparing it with Ritalin, one is natural the other isn't, you know?

Edited by eon, 16 January 2015 - 08:46 AM.

[MenDis]

I'm saying I don't like it. Being mentally slow and tired isn't the mental change I'm looking for. It doesn't behave in the way that I would image a DRI would (but I don't have experience with any other DRI). I would expect some change in goal oriented behavior, an increase in linear non-tangential thoughts, concentration, etc. Instead I just felt dull and slow, like concepts took longer to register, and tired. It could just be that my particular brain doesn't respond well to DRIs due to genetics, damage, etc. Or it could be that there is some yet to be identified molecule in Chaenomeles that has a more noticeable neurological effect that the one responsible for dopamine reuptake inhibition and I was in fact not even feeling the dopaminergic effects. I think the latter is the case, though, because I've used L-tyrosine extensively and gotten positive effects from it, so I do know what increased dopaminergic neurotransmission feels like.

Edited by MenDis, 17 January 2015 - 03:15 AM.

[eon]

Is the product you ordered specifically "speciosa" or "laganeria", look at the packaging.

[MenDis]

speciosa

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[eon]

I'm not sure if it's because the product you have is Chaenomeles Speciosa (fruit). I would think the leaves or the flowers would be where its at, like teas. My Quince product is Chaenomeles Speciosa (flowers). I've only tried it for 2 days at lower than suggested dose. I think I have the drive and interest, but I can't say yet it is from the Quince product but perhaps it could be placebo. I will wait till I finish the bottle and determine if in fact it was effective. I shall try to use it at the suggested dose. At first I only took 1 drop, second time 2 drops. The suggested dose was 4 drops, 4x daily.

 

The amount of Chaenomeles Speciosa in my supplement is 1:6000, not sure what this number means. I don't think it means it's homeopathic. 

Edited by eon, 17 January 2015 - 08:21 AM.

[normalizing]

that powder is suspicious. it clearly says made in china and anything made in china is always bad quality. why would you trust that to be actual source? another person complained of this powder and yet you just go do just that, get the same crap