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The Transporter In Star Trek


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#1 whitestar

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 02:42 AM


The transporter in Star Trek is one of the most fascinating theoretical technologies on board the starship Enterprise. The concept was created by the late-Gene Roddenberry. He needed his characters to get from the ship to the planet within a short period of time. Originally, Roddenberry set out to have his characters on a shuttlecraft, but was unable to afford the necessary budget to do so, hence, the transpoter was born. From a creative point-of-view, it served as an excellent plot device, however, scientifically it will never work. To find out why let's examine how the transporter operates. The transporter works by disassembling crew members at the atomic level and converting them into energy. Once the energy arrives at the appointed destination, the process is reversed.


While we're on the subject of matter and energy, I read an article on the net regarding the conversion of energy into matter. Einstein has stated in his equations that matter and energy are interconvertible. Anyway, an experiment conducted at Stanford University was accomplished at S.L.A.C. (short for Stanford Linear Accelerator Center).


Here are some links to SLAC's statements released to various publications concerning the experiment:


http://www.slac.stan...44/nytimes.html

http://www.slac.stan...44/nytimes.html

http://www.slac.stan...cience1202.html


We can already teleport photons, but what gets teleported is the photon's properties, not the actual photons themselves. Personally, I don't think that there will ever be a conventional use for converting energy into matter because of the amount of energy contained in one human being. Think about it: if one human can produce thousands of hiroshimas bombs, then you would need thousands of atom bombs worth of energy to create a turkey sandwich. That just doesn't seem practical to me. If that amount of energy were to be released when turning a man into energy, well let's just say there wouldn't be much left of anything for a few thousand miles!


Such conversions of particles to energy are called annihilations, that is, they are like explosions: the explosive material is completely destroyed and no memory of its original form remains. Furthermore, the second law of thermodynamics tells us that in any conversion of matter, some energy is inevitably lost. However, you could compensate by disintegrating some rocks and adding in that energy too.

In my view, when your body is converted into energy, you're destroyed, hence, you die. End of story. What comes out of the teleporter is an exact copy, with all your memories etc, and no knowledge that it isn't you, but it isn't. No one would ever notice the problem, so it only affects you when it happens. Unless, if you believe in souls, there are "conservation of souls" problems to deal with - does the same soul follow the body around? While in an energy state, there is no consciousness, no heart to beat, hence the person who first underwent this form of teleportation has cease to exist and replaced with a replica. Even renowned science fiction writer Larry Niven expressed his views on the transporter:


I don't believe in bending space to order, and I wouldn't ride in a machine that annihilates me here, then beams away data that allows me to be exactly recreated somewhere else.



What does everybody else thinks?

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 04:40 AM

whitestar, relating to the second part of your statement, we (some of the members of this forum) discussed the issue over 14+ pages of posts. The issue being whether one would truly survive if one were duplicated, reconstructed, etc.

Initially, I held the tentative belief that one would not survive such a procedure. During the discussion that ensued, I was unable to reduce my belief into something specific, but I held the belief until I exhausted known possibilities that supported it. The argument that one would survive if one's "pattern" (as a process) continued to survive, was a convincing argument. I'm not fond of the idea of duplication, but perhaps as a last resort, I would pursue it to ensure my survival in one form or another.

Teleportation of macroscopic objects may be possible at some point in the future, but I don't think it will be necessary should we reach that point.

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 04:52 AM

I should add that there may yet be scientific realizations that change my view on whether one would survive fundamental destruction and reconstruction, but at this time I have a relatively high degree of confidence with the argument I elaborated to in my previous post.

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#4 whitestar

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 05:41 AM

cosmos: Teleportation of macroscopic objects may be possible at some point in the future, but I don't think it will be necessary should we reach that point.



Would you care to elaborate as to how teleporting macroscopic objects such as ourselves will be possible in the future?


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Posted 18 January 2005 - 06:13 AM

Unless there's a, as yet unknown, way to circumvent physics there is no way to actually instantaniously transport an object, but as cosmos was saying, something akin to coping could be done. With sufficiently advanced nanotechnology it's concieveable that an object could be stored down to its quantum states and reconstructed in another place. This, of course, would be more like whole-object faxing.

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 07:56 PM

You don't need to be "stored down to... quantum states" for a transporter to work. Stored with fidelity comparable to the difference between before/after sleeping, before/after surgery, or even before/after long coma would be sufficient. Conservation of basic neural connectivity and synaptic chemistry should be enough. Imposing harsher criteria than ordinarily considered necessary for survival in medicine or life in general is really a double standard.

Whitestar wrote:

While in an energy state, there is no consciousness, no heart to beat, hence the person who first underwent this form of teleportation has cease to exist and replaced with a replica.


There are many kinds of comas in medicine with these same properties (no consciousness, no heart beat, no brain activity), yet it is customary to consider the person that wakes as still the original person. Again, claiming that a person is destroyed by interruptions of brain activity or physical integrity during transporter experiments, but not similar events in medicine, is a double standard.

There is not a doubt in my mind that if intelligent life (human or otherwise) continues to technologically progress, that "indvididuals" will eventually transport themselves long distances (especially between stars) by encoding the information content of their mind on light beams for physical reconstruction at the destination. Why I am sure? Evolution. Laws of physics mandate that a being reconstructed with sufficient fidelity will "feel" just fine, and will therefore become comfortable doing this again, and again, and again. Therefore beings who customarily travel in this manner will replicate and spread faster through the galaxy than beings that don't, eventually dominating it.

All this assumes that it is more economical to transmit large amounts of data than to send it in physical packages at comparable speed. I haven't done the calculations, but I strongly suspect transmission is easier, just as we are having this conversation by transmission rather than by snail mail.

---BrianW

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 09:30 PM

On that note...

http://space.com/sea...dds_050114.html

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Posted 18 January 2005 - 11:15 PM

I should add that my observation that it's easier to move data as photons rather than atoms doesn't answer the Fermi Paradox. Whatever future entities blast their minds and other data around universe will still need to send physical receiving and construction equipment ahead of signals. A nanotechnological object the size of a walnut would be sufficient to remake the surface of planet Star Trek Genesis-style (albeit slower), ripe and ready to receive the minds of inhabitants beamed to it. The absence of any such "greening of the galaxy", as Freeman Dyson puts it, is proof that we are alone in this part of the universe.

---BrianW




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