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[racetam_junkie]

Hi!
I took more than one year break from using piracetam.
I overdosed(overused?) piracetam two years ago, when i took 3-4g piracetam every day and burned out within one month. That was glorious month, i felt supercharged and sharp 24/7. Never felt tired.

So i tried taking piracetam this morning 1hr after waking up.

Drank coffee (not strong), took 400mg piracetam + 1200mg lecithin and heavy depression emerges within 20min
I never get depressed, only piracetam causes this (i havent tried other nootropics)

I tried googling, searching this forum, but it seems that noone has this effect except me...

Why do i have this reaction to piracetam?

[Geovicsha]

Have you tried aniracetam? That's renowned for mitigating both depression and anxiety.

[ta5]

How about Pramiracetam? Is it more like Piracetam or Aniracetam as far as depression and anxiety?

[Spectre]

Piracetam uses excesses amount of acetylcholine in some people, and an imbalance with acetylcholine is linked to depression. Have you tried piracetam without the Lecithin? It could be a reaction to either too much acetylcholine or not enough. If taking it without the lecithin doesn't work, replace your choline source with ALCAR + alpha-gpc. Also be sure to be supplementing with fish oil while taking piracetam.

Edited by Spectre, 06 September 2011 - 06:19 PM.

[FunkOdyssey]

I'd say drop the lecithin, unnecessary choline supplementation probably causes more depression among supplement users than anything else.

[JChief]

Hi!
I took more than one year break from using piracetam.
I overdosed(overused?) piracetam two years ago, when i took 3-4g piracetam every day and burned out within one month. That was glorious month, i felt supercharged and sharp 24/7. Never felt tired.

So i tried taking piracetam this morning 1hr after waking up.

Drank coffee (not strong), took 400mg piracetam + 1200mg lecithin and heavy depression emerges within 20min
I never get depressed, only piracetam causes this (i havent tried other nootropics)

I tried googling, searching this forum, but it seems that noone has this effect except me...

Why do i have this reaction to piracetam?

It's possible it could be the piracetam but personally I feel that it has subtle mood enhancing qualities for me. Sorry to hear though.

[Atropy]

Is it really possible for Piracetam to potentiate depression and anxiety in the long term?

I read that one of the effects of Piracetam are to alleviate depression.
But I also read that Piracetam potentiates whatever mental problems you may have into the long term.

I got these 2 conclusions/possibilities from reading these Forums.

Which is true?

[Godof Smallthings]

You have got to try to find out what it does to you personally.

Unlike in a clinical trial that has defined inclusion and exclusion criteria for pre-existing mental or physical conditions, concurrent recreational drug use and such, what you get in forums such as these are subjective evaluations by all sorts of people, some of whom are under the influence of mind altering drugs, or have some sort of disorder. Hence you get very different impressions.

There are far more reports on piracetam inducing elation than the other way round, so for most people, this will be what happens. But if you over-stimulate any system in the body, you may get the reverse effect.

From a personal standpoint, Piracetam does appear to increase irritability and impatience in me. But I have suffered from two depressive episodes in my life, and may also have dormant bipolar disorder (my grandfather was bipolar), so bear in mind that my neurochemistry could be quite different from yours.

As for the original poster of this thread, I would think the problem has more to do with the soy lecithin than piracetam.

[Atropy]

Interesting.Will do.

I too may have bipolar 2.I have social anxiety and depression.DLPA has made me irritable before, right up until I lowered my anti depressant,then I was fine.

I have just started on Piracetam yesterday and am experiencing the sleepiness described by many.Only time will tell if it's for me.

[arcticjoe]

Is it really possible for Piracetam to potentiate depression and anxiety in the long term?

I read that one of the effects of Piracetam are to alleviate depression.
But I also read that Piracetam potentiates whatever mental problems you may have into the long term.

I got these 2 conclusions/possibilities from reading these Forums.

Which is true?

where n=1, piracetam was junk for me. after initial positive effects it slowly made me more anxious and less sharp.

[Atropy]

"I overdosed(overused?) piracetam two years ago, when i took 3-4g piracetam every day and burned out within one month."

I am surprised that no-one commented on racetam_junkie's dose of Piracetam.I get the feeling that most people on this forum would consider this a normal dosage.

Also,do you have an update for us racetam_junkie?

[Metagene]

I only take 2.5g for cost reasons. When I ordered a kilo of the stuff 4-9.6g a day easy. Should be interesting how IDRA-21 stacks up to the much preferd Oxi or Aniracetam.

[Filip Tealover]

When I discovered piracetam, I have to say that I felt something very interesting. I was teenager who has been stuck all time in one city. And when I started taken piracetam I was suddenly able to go everywhere. See new people and have conversation with them. But it seems that is causes a strange state when finish marijuana effect. I felt literally "empty head", I had problem manage basic things. I finished it. But when I needed learn to the school or later on to university I got back to piracetam. And it seems that especially with a combination with enerbol (encephabol) is a very good combo. Unfortunately after 3 month on University I was very restless. I was still smoking cigarettes and I started feel anxiety and sort of a manic behavior. I haven't been able to sit down and learn anything. What I wanted was be with people and talk. I started drink alkohol. Alcohol made me calm and blow the anxiety off. And the piracetam and enerbol gave me energy for drinking. When I was drinking my dose of piracetam got higher and It was not problem to eat more then 30 tablets (800 mg each) for day. I was able to drink a excesive amount of alkohol and in the morning I was curing my hung over by next dose of piracetam to get my brain work. After a few month I started feel deep depression. Whole world got grey mechanical machine. I started using Saint John's Worth and my mood got much better. And after few weeks I stop using the piracetam. Unfortunately I did not stop my addiction on a alcohol what started on piracetam I was continuing next one year with a drinking without limits. I was using piracetam occasionally and everytime I felt the same a symptoms: hot a flushes in body, often I tried avoid place with the Sun, I had strong specific chemical feeling in my body, a press on my pancreas, high libido, fast walking, unconrolled repetitive movements of the tongue, lips and face similar but weaker then by amfetamine, paranoia, depression and feeling that everything on world lost any sense and the World is grey mechanical machine. This time I stop using alkohol and piracetam. After 5 years I startned use piracetam again. Without alkohol. I was very careful and I was keeping telling myself that piracetam is very dangerous and got me lot of problems before... but... It was so good. This time I was sober. I was 3 years without alkohol and I was only vaporizing marijuana. I had good work in hospital. Normal boring life (without any depression!!!). But with piracetam everything become different. I started talk with everybody. I felt high creativity and my mouth got the stream of words. I started speak with girls who I was embarrased before and I suddenly had feeling that I can do everything. I realized that my brain need much more nicotine that before. I rid of my cigarettes because I needed more nicotine (lecitine like a source of acetylcholine was not seems enough efective) than they could give me and I felt that piracetam some certain way was spreading a toxins from the smoke deeper to the brain. I started using nicotine gums and chewing tabacco (it was made me calm - no too shaking, walking, moving face muscles - and sharp). I started use piracetam with enerbol. After few weeks I realized that I need more piracetam then before. I was using about 20 tablets per day. And this time I realized that I have so big depression. It came very slowly but it was here. Every day was my suicide day. It was here again. Mania and depression. I started be more silent and more agressive. I did not speak too much, but I need piracetam for manage basic things in my life as to get to the work or to go shopping. I felt paranoia and anxiety. I felt that everything lost any sense and everything is very simple. Everything was very dry and without happiness. I had feeling that everything is only boring act of action and reaction. World was horrible machine without any sense and I was one of this wheels. Interesting was that my image of suicide was sort of a jump from high building, be hit by the train or shot myself to the head. There was lot of violence. It was not image like to eat some sleeping pills. One day I told my parents: "I have strong feeling to write a sign where will be said: " I am not interest any more" and jump from high building". There was not any reason for suicide except: DEEP DEPRESSION.  I started use high doses of Saint John's Worth and my depression got better. When I stop using piracetam a continue with this herb, my depression was gone. Ater few month I rid of Saint John's Worth and depression was gone. It was for me big lessen that piracetam is really very dodgy thing. Since this time I had only few experiments with piracetam. Once I had excessive dose about 20 tablets per night and next day I felt again sort of depression what I felt before. For me is horrible an imagination when I can image that old people have piracetam like their's daily dose with other medication. Maybe lot of them can be depressive only because of it.