Vyvanse, Theanine, Fish Oil, Tyrosine...fo...
Kosta
10 Sep 2011
I was diagnosed with ADHD-PI a few months ago. Prior to that I struggled all through high school and also had issues in college. I have the classic symptoms and cognitive problems most people with ADHD-PI have, with no comorbidities (depression, schizophrenia, etc.) I recently started doing research into supplementation with nootropics and decided to start out with a few. I should mention that I'm 23, male, 180lbs and I just started a new University program in Neuroscience (which is very demanding and the primary purpose for supplementation.)
The players:
Vyvanse
L-Tyrosine
L-Theanine
B-Complex
Fish Oil
Multivitamin w/ CoQ10
Green Tea
considering CDP Choline(?)
So far after some research I'm thinking of doing the following:
During the week:
-Throughout the day drink 1 litre (4 bags) of Green Tea
-Breakfast w/ multivitamin (standard vit. with low concentrations of the typical vit. w/ CoQ10)
-3-4g of L-Tyrosine w/ B-100 Complex on empty stomach
-Lunch w/ fish oil (tbsp of carlson's cod liver oil)
- 300mg of L-Theanine shortly after
During the weekend:
-Breakfast w/ Vyvanse and multivitamin
-Lunch w/ fish oil
-Dinner w/ L-Theanine?
I know my stack and the organization may seem strange, but I'm just starting out. Please recommend any re-arrangements, additions, modifications, advice or anything at all. Thank you all in advance.
Cheers,
Kosta
Dirk_Diggler
10 Sep 2011
Only thing I would add would be whey protein for meal replacements when you don't feel like eating or are on the go. What dose of Vyvanse are you on? In the long run, the Vyvanse isn't going to really improve anything cognitively, it's only a short term thing.
And I would add Alpha Lipoic Acid (and if you have the money, R-Alpha Lipic Acid, the R-enantiomer of Alpha Lipoic Acid which is the active and beneficial enantiomer) for it's antioxidant effect on possible neurotoxicity of Vyvanse, aka Dextroamphetamine.
But I'm no doctor, just going on my present understanding of amphetamines. There are most likely more qualified people than I to give advice in this area.
Edited by Dirk_Diggler, 10 September 2011 - 04:07 AM.
unregistered_user
10 Sep 2011
Good luck.
Kosta
10 Sep 2011
semi-retarded individual, I've been taking 16g of fish oil for a really long time (4g per tsp= ~16g per tbsp) and it seems quite high as it is, especially considering I'd have to take ~8 softgels to reach the equivalent.
Dirk_Diggler
10 Sep 2011
Dirk_Diggler
10 Sep 2011
Kosta
10 Sep 2011
Kosta
11 Sep 2011
Kosta
16 Sep 2011
I recently read a thread you posted on September 12. Here is as excerpt of what you wrote (re: piracetam and deprenyl):
"So far I've only experienced dullness, irritation, fatigue and brainfog. I haven't noted any positive effects yet although I did try piracetam about 6 months ago and experienced many of the usual positives (effortless locution, increased focus, mild energy increase, etc.) so I'm hoping after a couple of weeks I'll become reacquainted with those effects. For now, I'm struggling to articulate my thoughts, can't think abstractly and in general feel maladroit. It's like every facet of my being is blunted (emotions, mental acuity, interest..)"
This concerns me considering that you told me that you're "doing well" on this combination. Has anything changed since or before this post (optimal dosing, cognitive abilities, etc.?)
unregistered_user
05 Nov 2011
I have cycled a few experiments with Piracetam, high dose fish oil, and deprenyl and it turned out to be kind of a mixed bag. I am actually trying it again now and what I'm finding to be consistent with my trials is that although my cognition seems enhanced, my mood lacks continuity. I sometimes feel like I "go inside myself" and become easily agitated.
It's challenging to put any of this in definite terms because some days are different than others. I may be adding l-thenanine, picamilon or PEA (be careful) to the lineup so see if I can address the mood issues.
OneScrewLoose
05 Nov 2011
Kosta
10 Nov 2011
Semi, I know the feeling you're talking about, I get it from the vyvanse. It also causes tremendous anxiety and the crashes are mostly horrible, sometimes followed by emotional episodes. Lately I've been taking 300mg of l-theanine on an empty stomach after the vyvanse in the morning, and another 300mg after my following meal. It seems to marginally reduce the anxiety, but it is helpful.
As an aside, 600mg of elemental magnesium (chelated to glycine and lysine) has eliminated the insomnia produced by vyvanse. I was taking 300mg nightly before, which did nothing for sleep.
Screw, I've been supplementing with 3.5g of tyrosine only about once or twice per week (I also only take vyvanse about that often), so I don't think it should be a major problem.
I've added Zinc glycinate and Gingko Biloba to the above regimen and also ordered RLA, ALCAR, PQQ and Resveratrol to try and work them into my regimen. Obviously my goal is optimal cognitive functioning, yet I also want to remove the "need" for medication.
Edited by Kosta, 10 November 2011 - 02:13 PM.
sambocyn
23 Nov 2011
I've been lurking on the forums for quite some time and I finally decided to actually get involved. Hopefully, this knowledgable community will be able to help me out.
I was diagnosed with ADHD-PI a few months ago. Prior to that I struggled all through high school and also had issues in college. I have the classic symptoms and cognitive problems most people with ADHD-PI have, with no comorbidities (depression, schizophrenia, etc.) I recently started doing research into supplementation with nootropics and decided to start out with a few. I should mention that I'm 23, male, 180lbs and I just started a new University program in Neuroscience (which is very demanding and the primary purpose for supplementation.)
The players:
Vyvanse
L-Tyrosine
L-Theanine
B-Complex
Fish Oil
Multivitamin w/ CoQ10
Green Tea
considering CDP Choline(?)
So far after some research I'm thinking of doing the following:
During the week:
-Throughout the day drink 1 litre (4 bags) of Green Tea
-Breakfast w/ multivitamin (standard vit. with low concentrations of the typical vit. w/ CoQ10)
-3-4g of L-Tyrosine w/ B-100 Complex on empty stomach
-Lunch w/ fish oil (tbsp of carlson's cod liver oil)
- 300mg of L-Theanine shortly after
During the weekend:
-Breakfast w/ Vyvanse and multivitamin
-Lunch w/ fish oil
-Dinner w/ L-Theanine?
I know my stack and the organization may seem strange, but I'm just starting out. Please recommend any re-arrangements, additions, modifications, advice or anything at all. Thank you all in advance.
Cheers,
Kosta
hey Kosta. you should try piracetam. (say 3g/day with a few hundred milligrams choline). after a few days of 'calibration' (too little choline -> headache; too much choline -> lethargy), the past several months on piracetam have been the best in my life. i think i'm borderline ADHD (just booked a consultation with a psych), and piracetam has helped, nay, empowered me to succeed.
sambocyn
23 Nov 2011
I just found this thread again by happenstance when Googling some drug combos so apologies for the delayed response.
I have cycled a few experiments with Piracetam, high dose fish oil, and deprenyl and it turned out to be kind of a mixed bag. I am actually trying it again now and what I'm finding to be consistent with my trials is that although my cognition seems enhanced, my mood lacks continuity. I sometimes feel like I "go inside myself" and become easily agitated.
It's challenging to put any of this in definite terms because some days are different than others. I may be adding l-thenanine, picamilon or PEA (be careful) to the lineup so see if I can address the mood issues.
hmm, i suspect your 'mixed bag' was from the MAO-I. have you tried piracetam solo?
unregistered_user
24 Nov 2011
I just found this thread again by happenstance when Googling some drug combos so apologies for the delayed response.
I have cycled a few experiments with Piracetam, high dose fish oil, and deprenyl and it turned out to be kind of a mixed bag. I am actually trying it again now and what I'm finding to be consistent with my trials is that although my cognition seems enhanced, my mood lacks continuity. I sometimes feel like I "go inside myself" and become easily agitated.
It's challenging to put any of this in definite terms because some days are different than others. I may be adding l-thenanine, picamilon or PEA (be careful) to the lineup so see if I can address the mood issues.
hmm, i suspect your 'mixed bag' was from the MAO-I. have you tried piracetam solo?
Quite likely. Yes, my experience with piracetam is consistent with what most other users experience. I had a honeymood period with it and now its affect on me is subtle and sometimes negligible, at best.
egokiller
24 Nov 2011
I dropped the vyvanse and began looking into nootropics. Best decision I have ever made. A strong choline source and aniracetam leaves me glued to my work. A daily dose of piracetam keeps my overall level of attention a lot higher. With these supplements I can study either all day or very late in the day. Some sulbutiamine allows for a calm vyvanse like concentration without the comedown.
Just my experience take it for what its worth. I wish you the best of luck. Honestly though nothing will help like a solid exercise regimen.
EK
Kosta
24 Nov 2011
Egokiller, it's good to know that someone can relate to my situation. Contrary to my first few experiences with l-theanine to counteract the drug induced anxiety, vyvanse has ended up producing more emotional pain, anxiety and panic attacks. I had one of the most intense regimens for a long while, which was required of me since I fought competitively. Though my routine since my days of fighting is more subdued, it doesn't seem to do much for cognitive performance. It's no surprise considering ADHD is primarily a developmental and neurophysiological disorder, but perhaps I should amp up my workouts in addition to trying piracetam or some other kind of racetam. It was one of the first nootropics on my list but since I know of no reputable sources that ship to Canada, I just left it alone. I've seen some improvements since starting the above stack plus the new supplements I listed in a later post but it seems clear now that I need to try piracetam or another racetam in addition to other compliments (choline, sulbutiamine, etc.)
Edited by Kosta, 24 November 2011 - 10:32 PM.