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Watch Out for Agents Provocateurs

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#1 Luminosity

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 07:00 AM


I used to attend and organize a lot of protests. Sounds paranoid, but the government actually deploys people to attend the meetings and the protests to sabotage them. Agents Saboteurs would sabotage the organization from within. Agents Provocateurs make the movement look more extreme than it is to the public. One favored tactic, when people are protesting an economic summit, intelligence agencies like to break the window of a Macy's, or similar store. An innocent, middle-class department store. That way the headline of the day is about that, not the demands of the protestors. They are also tarred as extremists.

Notice how that happened every time there was an economic summit? And Macy's wasn't really on the radar of the protestors.

#2 Connor MacLeod

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:05 PM

I break windows for the government for a living. Makes decent money, and I also have ample opportunities to score with anti-free trade hippy chicks. Not bad work really. :ph34r:

#3 Luminosity

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 05:58 AM

The hippy chicks organizing the protest said you were in the corner playing with your game boy.


"Occupy Wall Street Spreads: 32 Arrested in Iowa; Right-Wing Editor Infiltrates D.C. Anti-Drone Protest"

"Also over the weekend, in Washington, D.C., the National Air and Space Museum was closed Saturday afternoon after security guards used pepper spray to repel more than 100 demonstrators protesting an exhibit on drones. Afterward, an assistant editor with the conservative publication The American Spectator wrote online he had infiltrated the group and provoked guards to pepper spray the crowd." ---- Democracy Now website October 10, 2011

Edited by Luminosity, 11 October 2011 - 06:01 AM.


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#4 Connor MacLeod

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 07:31 AM

Did you bother reading the blog post by the infiltrator? It's actually kinda entertaining. Here's the link: http://spectator.org.../standoff-in-dc

It appears he got pepper-sprayed along with a small group of OWC hipsters. You've got to give him some props for that.

#5 chrono

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Posted 15 October 2011 - 05:31 AM

Deleted some posts that were derailing the thread. Let's keep sexist humor to an absolute minimum, shall we?

#6 Connor MacLeod

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 11:34 PM

Undercover government agents posing as elderly ladies pushed down stairs by the OWS sansculottes:

http://nation.foxnew...man-down-stairs

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 12:03 AM

Undercover government agents posing as elderly ladies pushed down stairs by the OWS sansculottes:

http://nation.foxnew...man-down-stairs

Actually, she was pushed down the stairs by one of her fellow conservatives in his zeal to push through the line of OWS protesters. Fox of course hasn't caught on; I'm sure their retraction will be up in time for the 2012 election. Or maybe 2016.

#8 Connor MacLeod

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 12:17 AM

Undercover government agents posing as elderly ladies pushed down stairs by the OWS sansculottes:

http://nation.foxnew...man-down-stairs

Actually, she was pushed down the stairs by one of her fellow conservatives in his zeal to push through the line of OWS protesters. Fox of course hasn't caught on; I'm sure their retraction will be up in time for the 2012 election. Or maybe 2016.


Do you have a source?

Edited by Connor MacLeod, 08 November 2011 - 12:21 AM.


#9 niner

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 12:23 AM

Follow Fox's Weasel Zipper link.

#10 Connor MacLeod

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 12:37 AM

Follow Fox's Weasel Zipper link.


I'm apparently not one of the cool kids because I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

#11 Connor MacLeod

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 01:35 AM

Undercover government agents posing as elderly ladies pushed down stairs by the OWS sansculottes:

http://nation.foxnew...man-down-stairs

Actually, she was pushed down the stairs by one of her fellow conservatives in his zeal to push through the line of OWS protesters. Fox of course hasn't caught on; I'm sure their retraction will be up in time for the 2012 election. Or maybe 2016.


I have a general skepticism of populist movements, but these people seem to be doing a good job at making the tea partiers look reasonable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U20Cvetv17M&feature=player_embedded

If you're going to attempt to physically force your way into private property, at least have the good sense to leave your children with a babysitter.

#12 niner

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 03:28 AM

Undercover government agents posing as elderly ladies pushed down stairs by the OWS sansculottes:

http://nation.foxnew...man-down-stairs

Actually, she was pushed down the stairs by one of her fellow conservatives in his zeal to push through the line of OWS protesters. Fox of course hasn't caught on; I'm sure their retraction will be up in time for the 2012 election. Or maybe 2016.


I have a general skepticism of populist movements, but these people seem to be doing a good job at making the tea partiers look reasonable.

As you know, I have a general skepticism of the Right Wing press, because it usually takes all of a couple minutes to debunk their transparent propaganda like the "push granny down the stairs" thing. I'm not even going to try to debunk the "using children as human shields" thing. It's just pointless. Skepticism of populist movements is a good idea in general, but leaderless populist movements can't really be expected to be 100% fine upstanding people with excellent judgment. On the other hand, I would hope that an enterprise that pretends to be "journalistic" and is national in scope would at least vet their lies sources a teeny bit.

"Weasel Zipper" is the name of the website where Fox found the "pushing granny" vid. Fox did provide a link to it in their post, which I presume is still extant.
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#13 Connor MacLeod

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 07:47 AM

As you know, I have a general skepticism of the Right Wing press, because it usually takes all of a couple minutes to debunk their transparent propaganda like the "push granny down the stairs" thing.

Pushing granny down the stairs is obviously hyperbole, right? I think I've seen you make that excuse when the Left was playing fast and loose with the truth. As far as your "debunking" of the video, if you read the update at the Weasel Zipper link it states that it was the second downed lady in the video (not the elderly one wearing the red shirt who was pushed down the stairs) that was knocked over by a conference attendee. So will you retract your debunking?

#14 niner

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 01:45 PM

As you know, I have a general skepticism of the Right Wing press, because it usually takes all of a couple minutes to debunk their transparent propaganda like the "push granny down the stairs" thing.

Pushing granny down the stairs is obviously hyperbole, right? I think I've seen you make that excuse when the Left was playing fast and loose with the truth. As far as your "debunking" of the video, if you read the update at the Weasel Zipper link it states that it was the second downed lady in the video (not the elderly one wearing the red shirt who was pushed down the stairs) that was knocked over by a conference attendee. So will you retract your debunking?

How's it hyperbole? That's the claim, isn't it? That she was pushed?
I watched the whole video, and there is no evidence whatsoever that protesters pushed the old lady. There's an old lady on the ground, and most of the protesters are elsewhere, and don't even seem to be able to see the lady. I hereby retract my statement that the first lady was pushed by a conference attendee, but I hope that Weasel Zipper and the Andrew Brietbart-esque producers, along with Fox, will either provide some evidence that the lady was "pushed" by a protester or retract their propagandistic claim.

Here is what's wrong with propaganda like this; the following is a comment on the Fox piece:

lineinthesand 3 hours ago

These are rabid dogs and, like rabid dogs, they're only safe in the woods. They wander into real communities and they're going to get put down, permanently.



#15 Connor MacLeod

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Posted 08 November 2011 - 04:55 PM

How's it hyperbole? That's the claim, isn't it? That she was pushed?


It's not clear to me that she is in fact a grandmother.

Anyway, I really posted the first video for the benefit of the OP who I think is a tad paranoid. I'm not really very interested in attempting to put OWS in a bad light.




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