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[JChief]

OK here's where I call BS on the anti-nut schtick. Fruit contains fructose right? But fruits are loaded with vitamins and minerals and antioxidants and goodness along with fiber to ease the sugar impact. It tastes good. It intends to be eaten I say... NUTS! Yeah it may have some phytate or whatever. It's gonna take far more than that to convince me that eating them occasionally isn't good for me. This really coming down to a philosophical position now. Guilty. But I just think it's obvious. We just need science to catch up with me here

[Werner]

It's the phytate problem of nuts (content): hazelnuts 1.9%%, Brazil nut 2.0-6.3%,
walnut 0.7-2.4%, almond 1.4-3.2% ...
"Phytate forms complexes with cations in the following descending order of strength:
Cu²+ > Zn²+ > Co²+ > Mn²+ > Fe3+ > Ca2+
(according to Reddy and Sathe et al., 2001)
You see that nuts destroy not only zinc and calcium but other minerals as well.
With nuts you have also the lectin problem, a really ugly thing

What about if you soak them to make them more digestible? Does that help any of that S > O > L stuff?

Normally, soaking is good to destroy lectins and phytates (beans, chickpeas etc.).
With nuts I don't know. Maybe it is difficult for water to penetrate a nut. I don't know.

[niner]

The most perfect food in terms of health (in sequence) is: 1) fruits, 2) salads, 3) veggies, 4) fish, 5) beans.
The most miserable food is: 1) pork drippings , 2) liver sausage, 3) pork, 4) cow milk products,
5) other meat, 6) wheat products, 7) seeds, 8) nuts.

I'm trying to comment without being a smart ass... uh, nevermind.

[hivemind]

seeds and nuts miserable?

[JChief]

seeds and nuts miserable?

Everywhere you look there's a nut!

[Werner]

seeds and nuts miserable?

I'm sorry, yes. But not very much miserable. If you eat
five walnuts or ten cashews a day that's OK.
Seeds are not to be recommended. They contain a lot of
lectins and phytates. With these substances the plant is
protecting its reproduction. Man and animals are enemies
of the plant. During thousands of years a lot of plants
developed these substances as a defense.

[hippocampus]

Fuck these paleo theories, regular consumption of nuts is associated with lower risk of cardiovascular and other diseases. I haven't yet see any experimental or epidemiological research that said nuts are bad for you.

[JChief]

I personally am a HUGE fan of nuts (almonds and pistachios are my favorites). But too much of anything can be counter productive of course.

[niner]

Fuck these paleo theories, regular consumption of nuts is associated with lower risk of cardiovascular and other diseases. I haven't yet see any experimental or epidemiological research that said nuts are bad for you.

I don't think that's a paleo theory. Nuts and seeds have been around forever, and we've no doubt been eating them forever. It's just another one of Werner's mechanism based hypotheses that doesn't have epidemiological support. The data says regular eating of a modest amount of nuts is good for you. If someone were to eat a crazy dose of seeds and nuts, then all bets are off, but that's true of everything.

[hippocampus]

what's werner's mechanism?

[niner]

what's werner's mechanism?

Werner is the guy who wrote the post you were disagreeing with. It's a "mechanism-based" hypothesis. That means that he's hypothesizing that seeds and nuts are bad for you based on the fact that they contain some lectins and/or phytate. Both of those are hypothetically bad, if you consider them outside of their total nutritional context. The facts on the ground are the people who eat nuts living longer than people who don't eat nuts.

[kurdishfella]

 

 

. Cyanocobalamin actually breaks down as cyanide in your blood, for instance. 

Never again. I was taking cyano b12 ( little as 1mg) and it was allocating and building up in my brain causing severe problems for days. and I am taking 1000mg of vitamin C and even that isn't alone enough to combat the cyonide.  cant believe this stuff is used in food production (including waters) and materials that absorb in skin even if unhealthy. Cyandie made my brain bulge and motor function decrease attacking immune system. Is there an chemical free or less bad ones diet? my brain function affected.

Edited by kurdishfella, 09 June 2022 - 10:21 AM.