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[tomakin]

Hello, I just bought an EDTA for oral chelation. As I live in a very poor country, I bought the pure EDTA from the local chemistry shop - highly acidic. In the chelation therapy the salts of EDTA are used, usually disodium or calcium-disodium.

Now I have two solutions:

1. I can simply make the tetrasodium, using the sodium bicarbonate - or even disodium, if I remember correctly chemistry class, using the precise weighing scale and calculating numbers from molar mass.

2. I can use the acidic EDTA directly as chelating agent.

Now, questions:

1. I'm not sure if this chemistry reaction will work, I'm not really experienced with chelating agents. I was able to create my own calcium citrate (using the citric acid and calcium carbonate), strontium citrate (same way), neutral salt of vitamin C which doesn't cause any stomach pain, is safe for enamel and works just like the normal one (sodium bicarbonate vs ascorbic acid), I'm 99% positive tetrasodium EDTA will work just like disodium, as the chelating agent just exchange sodium ions with heavy metal ions (this is how calcium disodium EDTA works, it's not acidic and still is able to remove lead from body). Anyone can correct me?

2. Is acidic EDTA safe? It's not the really strong acid, way softer than the vitamin C or apple cider vinegar, and acid toxicity comes from it's acidity and ion it create during reaction - while acidity is pretty safe in this case, ions are just EDTA salts commonly used. Still, as I'm not really experienced with the chelating agents, I can't say it's 100% true.

Anyone can help me?

ps. sorry for my English, it's not my 1st, not even 2nd language.

[Googoltarian]

"As I live in a very poor country" - no bez przesady...

Chwila googlowania pokazuje że używa się do chelatowania naprawdę wielu związków EDTA. Forma kwasowa z pewnością nie jest najlepszym wyborem, a to co wpadło mi w oko jako potencjalnie najbezpieczniejsze to sól wapniowo disodowa EDTA.

Jak będziesz robił któryś ze związków to wklej tu procedurę, sprawdzę a może nawet znajdę Ci lepszą jako że chemia bliską mi jest.

[tomakin]

Heja, no właśnie tu jest problem - EDTA jest chelatorem, co oznacza, że teoretycznie może nie zachowywać się jak typowy kwas i tworzyć jakieś trwałe kompleksy podczas tworzenia soli, albo np chelatować jakieś jony w przewodzie pokarmowym, co sprawia że będzie bezużyteczny. Niby mam wykształcenie chemiczne, ale jak mam coś wprowadzać do organizmu wolę wiedzieć na 101%. W sumie to bez znaczenia, bo dostałem sól disodową za jakieś śmieszne grosze - trzeba było pod inną nazwą szukać na allegro :D No i dla Polaków wydatek rzędu 700 zł na chelatory jest już dość poważny, podczas gdy np dla mieszkańca UK to niemal jak splunąć. W chemicznym zapłaciłem 30 zł :D

Tak czy tak dzięki za chęć pomocy.

[sam7777]

I strongly advise against the use of EDTA. It is known to be fatally toxic to the kidney, cause nuerotoxic reactions, and many more effects. You should obtain a MSDS sheet off of google.

[Luminosity]

I don't have any specific knowledge, but I think you should either buy the real medicine or leave it alone. Your English is excellent, by the way. The schools in Poland must be a lot better than ours, either that or there are a lot of really smart people there.

[tomakin]

@sam7777 - EDTA can be toxic to the kidneys, but only in a very large doses, either more than 3 grams injected rapidly or more than 100g orally at once. With such a large dose it put so heavy stress on kidneys they can't deal with it. But the table salt in this amount is much more toxic, so I wouln't worry. Neurotoxicity can be a problem only when you inject it directly into your brain. It's cheap and effective, so pharma corporations spread alot of false informations about it. This drug is wonderfull when it comes to remove some heavy metals, especially lead, and probably can dissolve calcium plaques, reducing risk of heart attack to nearly zero. I'm sure everyone should remove heavy metals at least few times during their life - your body have 500 up to 1000 times more lead than body of your ancestors 500 years ago. And yes, it have devastating effect on your overall health, I'm not sure about numbers right now, but blood lead above 10 mcg/dL, among many other effects, reduce your IQ by almost 10 points, increase risk of mental problems (depression, panic attacks, anxiety) 3-5 times, and you can live on average 5 years longer if you remove it from your body.

@Luminosity - I never had any English class in school, but this language is a must in the world today. And yes, I am a chemist :D

ps. It was written in Polish already - I was able to buy cheap disodium salt, the one used in pills, so my problem doesn't exist anymore. I'm on EDTA right now to remove lead (as a former smoker who live in the polluted region and used the lead in everyday life I must have ALOT of it in my body) and to solve circulation problems - I'll update this topic in a few weeks, let's see if this stuff works for me.

Edited by tomakin, 19 December 2011 - 03:28 AM.

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